Does FT "attitude" drive newbies to blogs?
Aug 27, 2012, 8:46 pm
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I am confused. Are you saying you need to wear thick skin to read this recent thread of yours[/url] because you "felt" being ignored or mocked at?
After reading that thread, I personally can't find any "unfriendliness" in any of the 2 replies. They both answered your questions directly. I also agree with belfordrocks the nature and type of questions will "pre-determine" how a thread goes on FT.
Aug 27, 2012, 10:07 pm
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Aug 27, 2012, 10:18 pm
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as ive said before, if people want TB to do more, that needs to be an election topic, from candidates
ive also said i find it interesting that no one who brings up issues is doing so from the perspective of terms of service
ive also said i find it interesting that no one who brings up issues is doing so from the perspective of terms of service
Aug 28, 2012, 1:08 am
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FlyerTalk members are free to discuss moderation in general.
However, the Guidelines & Rules of FlyerTalk prohibits the discussion of specific moderator actions:
However, the Guidelines & Rules of FlyerTalk prohibits the discussion of specific moderator actions:
Aug 28, 2012, 5:08 am
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Which would be discussion of specific mod actions Trust me, the stuff I removed/redacted were comments on specific actions.
Nonetheless, the topic of this thread is how the FT 'attitude' affects newbies?
Trust me, the stuff I removed/redacted were comments on specific actions.Nonetheless, the topic of this thread is how the FT 'attitude' affects newbies?
Aug 28, 2012, 7:25 am
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This new thread in MilesBuzz is a great example:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...s-january.html
This person has done NO homework. I doubt they've even looked at the award charts to see how many miles they need. But they want somebody else to tell them - they can't even be bothered to click on the credit card threads that are in the same forum they've posted. And yet, you'll see some FTers helping.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...s-january.html
This person has done NO homework. I doubt they've even looked at the award charts to see how many miles they need. But they want somebody else to tell them - they can't even be bothered to click on the credit card threads that are in the same forum they've posted. And yet, you'll see some FTers helping.
Aug 28, 2012, 11:34 am
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Isn't that how it should be? Not everyone has a command of everything that appears on FT. The poster you're referring to has 20 posts compared to you having over 2,000. I'd expect you to have a higher level of expertise. Someone with 20 posts? Maybe not. I'm willing to give those folks the benefit of the doubt and nudge them in the right direction. It's something I do pretty regularly in a newbie thread on one of the airline forums I frequent. Sometimes that's all that is needed.
Aug 28, 2012, 11:46 am
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This new thread in MilesBuzz is a great example:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...s-january.html
This person has done NO homework. I doubt they've even looked at the award charts to see how many miles they need. But they want somebody else to tell them - they can't even be bothered to click on the credit card threads that are in the same forum they've posted. And yet, you'll see some FTers helping.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...s-january.html
This person has done NO homework. I doubt they've even looked at the award charts to see how many miles they need. But they want somebody else to tell them - they can't even be bothered to click on the credit card threads that are in the same forum they've posted. And yet, you'll see some FTers helping.
Cheers.
Aug 28, 2012, 12:02 pm
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This new thread in MilesBuzz is a great example:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...s-january.html
This person has done NO homework. I doubt they've even looked at the award charts to see how many miles they need. But they want somebody else to tell them - they can't even be bothered to click on the credit card threads that are in the same forum they've posted. And yet, you'll see some FTers helping.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...s-january.html
This person has done NO homework. I doubt they've even looked at the award charts to see how many miles they need. But they want somebody else to tell them - they can't even be bothered to click on the credit card threads that are in the same forum they've posted. And yet, you'll see some FTers helping.
Aug 28, 2012, 12:05 pm
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Last edited by Kagehitokiri; Aug 28, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Aug 28, 2012, 12:07 pm
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Isn't that how it should be? Not everyone has a command of everything that appears on FT. The poster you're referring to has 20 posts compared to you having over 2,000. I'd expect you to have a higher level of expertise. Someone with 20 posts? Maybe not. I'm willing to give those folks the benefit of the doubt and nudge them in the right direction. It's something I do pretty regularly in a newbie thread on one of the airline forums I frequent. Sometimes that's all that is needed.
And BTW, nobody has taken me up on my offer on posting acronyms that cannot be found with a Google or FT search.
Aug 28, 2012, 1:19 pm
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This new thread in MilesBuzz is a great example:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...s-january.html
This person has done NO homework. I doubt they've even looked at the award charts to see how many miles they need. But they want somebody else to tell them - they can't even be bothered to click on the credit card threads that are in the same forum they've posted. And yet, you'll see some FTers helping.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...s-january.html
This person has done NO homework. I doubt they've even looked at the award charts to see how many miles they need. But they want somebody else to tell them - they can't even be bothered to click on the credit card threads that are in the same forum they've posted. And yet, you'll see some FTers helping.
Aug 28, 2012, 5:27 pm
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A some have inquired as to why posts regarding moderator-related issues, I will remind the TOS is specific about moderator actions, and the sticky thread that has been there since October, 2004 and edited February 2011 states:
The topic is Does FT "attitude" drive newbies to blogs? It is, IMO, an important topic and it does not include the perennial discussion of moderators and moderation that caused the "sticky" post to begin with.
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This is the TalkBoard Forum.
It is not the Moderator Forum.
If you have complaints/questions/compliments/etc about moderator actions or policies, or moderation in general, then address them to Carol ("SanDiego1K"), the Flyertalk Community Director.
The TalkBoard does not make policy for the moderators. The moderators serve at Carol's pleasure and their decisions follow from her guidance, not the TalkBoard's.
I do not want to have to keep editing posts that contain explicit or implicit objections to moderators' actions or moderation itself. This is not the place for the Airing of Grievances.
Thank you,
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It is not the Moderator Forum.
If you have complaints/questions/compliments/etc about moderator actions or policies, or moderation in general, then address them to Carol ("SanDiego1K"), the Flyertalk Community Director.
The TalkBoard does not make policy for the moderators. The moderators serve at Carol's pleasure and their decisions follow from her guidance, not the TalkBoard's.
I do not want to have to keep editing posts that contain explicit or implicit objections to moderators' actions or moderation itself. This is not the place for the Airing of Grievances.
Thank you,
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Thanks,
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Aug 28, 2012, 6:10 pm
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previously - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/talkb...l#post18139256 (link to a post) >
in this thread >
TB >
Bolding mine: ^ And that is it in a nutshell
moderators >
JDiver is one of four senior moderators, and two others have also posted in the thread
a comment from me >
"feels" = softener, emotion
"for being new" = characterizes as personal (covered by TOS)
in other words subtracting the post/content/action (not personal) from equation
Originally Posted by SanDiego1K
My thoughts for the 2012 Talkboard
How do we turn a newcomer who finds us thru Google search into a contributing member?
What about bloggers?
Should we ask IB to expand their platform to host blogs?
How do we turn a newcomer who finds us thru Google search into a contributing member?
What about bloggers?
Should we ask IB to expand their platform to host blogs?
TB >
Still comes down to moderation. If the moderators see a problem, they deal with it. If you have a complaint about a poster, notify a moderator. If you're not happy there, onto the Community Director. Nothing for the Talk Board to get involved with and I can't see a need for any policy changes.
I think the assertion that FlyerTalk is so unfriendly to new members that it drives some to other resources is one that would interest TalkBoard, Moderators, the Community Director, Internet Brands, and a great many members. I asked where to place the thread, and SanDiego1k suggested this forum.
a comment from me >
"feels" = softener, emotion
"for being new" = characterizes as personal (covered by TOS)
in other words subtracting the post/content/action (not personal) from equation
Last edited by Kagehitokiri; Aug 28, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Aug 28, 2012, 10:00 pm
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I think what's driven newbies to blogs is the fact that blogs are very well put together these days and they have loads of content and current events in them. An all in one shop, with less sifting but more results. Lately, the blogs HAVE been giving up some golden nuggets too.
As well, one doesn't have to read countless threads or feeling as though they may risk posting the wrong thing in order to try and get info. The 'story' is generally told by the author in full and then commenting people can verify or ask to alter things as need be as a sort of update section that follows the story.
Everyone seems to be on more equal playing fields in this sense-- whereas most commentary comes as a secondary or subset-like section of information from readers instead of how things go on FT... In FT, a poster with 20,000 posts who has been here since before computers were around could intimidate people without even meaning to, and a new person with 10 posts could look like they know nothing when they actually might. People tend to think in these terms sometimes (I'm giving exaggerated examples of course) but in blogs, everyone is pretty much equal when commenting, and the blogger is the one leader. Thus, people think that this one leader MUST be all knowing. No worry nor thread about participating in blog land when you know who is in charge.
Blogs have become easier to make and also can be made to look much more professional than they used to only a few years ago. Back then if you wanted to have a 'blog' you almost needed to host a website. Like, take Gary Steiger's site. Been around forever. Great site, has everything, but it's a website not a blog.
Blogs can be LIKE sites--and look as nice as a website looks and be full of info, but as said, they can allow people to comment and therefore alter the blog. AND they allow comments to happen on a specific topic right here and now, which is what people want these days. We know websites do not have much of that unless the administrator is workin' round the clock on it--which fortunately, Gary S does seem to do!...
FT on the other hand, could have threads that go on for ages. Many have lasted years. For blogs, comments sections go on for maybe a week or so. And of course websites cant always have comment sections in them. Again, the here and now. In and out.
So blogs have become more popular and user friendly by nature. They capture the immediacy people utilize these days with social media such as Facebook and Twitter, and they remain current on events and deals --like the SPG card offers or a mistake fare, etc. They grab you, you get in, get the skinny, add a remark if you'd like and move on. The whole thing scrolls on by. They are also professionally designed and easy to navigate but they don't require a significant web design cost nor does one require so much uber-techie knowledge to create.
There's nothing wrong with a newbie or anyone trying to find the easy way. After all, isnt that what all of us are doing who seek out deals, offers, savings and such? But what blogs have done is that they have made it ok for people who only rely on them or rely on them too much to think LESS for themselves some times. And that, my friends, is exactly what we must avoid.
MM
As well, one doesn't have to read countless threads or feeling as though they may risk posting the wrong thing in order to try and get info. The 'story' is generally told by the author in full and then commenting people can verify or ask to alter things as need be as a sort of update section that follows the story.
Everyone seems to be on more equal playing fields in this sense-- whereas most commentary comes as a secondary or subset-like section of information from readers instead of how things go on FT... In FT, a poster with 20,000 posts who has been here since before computers were around could intimidate people without even meaning to, and a new person with 10 posts could look like they know nothing when they actually might. People tend to think in these terms sometimes (I'm giving exaggerated examples of course) but in blogs, everyone is pretty much equal when commenting, and the blogger is the one leader. Thus, people think that this one leader MUST be all knowing. No worry nor thread about participating in blog land when you know who is in charge.
Blogs have become easier to make and also can be made to look much more professional than they used to only a few years ago. Back then if you wanted to have a 'blog' you almost needed to host a website. Like, take Gary Steiger's site. Been around forever. Great site, has everything, but it's a website not a blog.
Blogs can be LIKE sites--and look as nice as a website looks and be full of info, but as said, they can allow people to comment and therefore alter the blog. AND they allow comments to happen on a specific topic right here and now, which is what people want these days. We know websites do not have much of that unless the administrator is workin' round the clock on it--which fortunately, Gary S does seem to do!...
FT on the other hand, could have threads that go on for ages. Many have lasted years. For blogs, comments sections go on for maybe a week or so. And of course websites cant always have comment sections in them. Again, the here and now. In and out.
So blogs have become more popular and user friendly by nature. They capture the immediacy people utilize these days with social media such as Facebook and Twitter, and they remain current on events and deals --like the SPG card offers or a mistake fare, etc. They grab you, you get in, get the skinny, add a remark if you'd like and move on. The whole thing scrolls on by. They are also professionally designed and easy to navigate but they don't require a significant web design cost nor does one require so much uber-techie knowledge to create.
There's nothing wrong with a newbie or anyone trying to find the easy way. After all, isnt that what all of us are doing who seek out deals, offers, savings and such? But what blogs have done is that they have made it ok for people who only rely on them or rely on them too much to think LESS for themselves some times. And that, my friends, is exactly what we must avoid.
MM