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Please do something about Doc!
Doc is going wild in the UA forum, posting updates (at least 10 at last count) to message threads that are months old! In one case, the "update" does not even refer to the original topic. It appears that Doc thinks he can do whatever he wants, and he is going to ruin the board. Please help in this matter. Thank you!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: Doc is going wild in the UA forum, posting updates (at least 10 at last count) to message threads that are months old! In one case, the "update" does not even refer to the original topic. It appears that Doc thinks he can do whatever he wants, and he is going to ruin the board. Please help in this matter. Thank you!</font> PLEASE! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif --- Here's the complaint, as filed earlier today: <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: Doc, you are something else. You were blissfully absent from the UA forum for a while. Why not go away again? You add nothing to the forum, and frankly you are just a pain in the a$$.</font> --- Previously, it was noted: <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Moderator2: Gamble, The subject of Doc's postings have been brought up on a regular basis. Please recognize that he has way more fans than detractors. Regardless, management of FT has no issues with his posts, and if they did, they would take it up direct with him rather than airing it out in public. My suggestion is if you have issues about his activities, pen an email to Randy Petersen. </font> --- <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: Understood. I can't believe this is what FT management wants on the board, but I realize I can either accept it or leave. Thanks for the response. </font> Again, needless to say, while I respect your right to an opinion as well as to express it, we have been through this before, since February, when you seemingly signed on to FT and posted in order to assail me, and to put it simply, after being hounded for six months, we just do not agree, sadly. Notably, of eight threads in the UNITED forum in which you posted, five bear only nasty criticisms directed at me. In one, you'll no doubt recall the rather uncharitabe remark to me: "You are a real ...et to the board!" http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../008976-2.html In the "BUZZ" threads, literally all your posts are complaints about me! Same story in nearly all the other threads also, no? Do you really think that is what Randy and the FT Managemant actually wants? C'mon! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif You have posted repeated scathing complaints over and over again, you have emailed Randy & Co, and me, as well. Yet, despite previously posting that you understand, you persist! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif Nontheless, given your rather considerable interest in the FT Boards, and the quality herein, I wonder whether you have possibly considered running as a future memebr of the Talkboard. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Specifically, regarding your post <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: I have been good and not commented on Doc for awhile, but this is JUST SICK! To keep bringing this thread back over and over is not right. Doc, this was a very tramatic event and we don't need to keep being reminded over and over about it. I hope that the moderator closes this thread and takes a serious look at Doc's posting rights. Flame away, but I had to speak out!</font> --- FWIW, if you think that you were somehow more hurt by the tragic events of last 9/11 than I was, then all I can say is that you are, little doubt, very sadly mistaken! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif And moreover, if you do not want to be reminded of it, may I politely suggest that you might try life on an alternate planet! Again, regarding the ongoing issue at hand, I'll not bother to post all the criticims and nasty remarks with all the links, yet kindly please recall from the beginning: <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: Doc, you are now becoming the CAUSE of the trouble on FlyerTalk. There was no reason to drag this thread up. May I suggest you find another board to bother, and kindly leave the rest of us alone. </font> I hope you understand that all FT'ers have rights! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif And in the middle: <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: Hmmm... trying your best? Is it really that hard to post news articles to the In the News forum? Does it take a degree to figure it out? You can please everyone by just simply posting your wonderful news articles to the news forum. That way, those who want to read them can, and those who have a slow connection won't have to download thread after thread just to see you posted an update. Seems simple to me... Doc, fyi I have tried over and over to do this via e-mail, but you will not respond. Now I realize that you are under no obligation to respond to any email, but don't you think email is the better way to handle this? Seems to me I remember you telling others to use email and not the board for topics like this. Maybe a dose of your own medicine is called for?</font> Lastly: <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: Leave it to the wonderful Doc to drag up a thread that was dead for over 4 months just so he can post a news article. I wonder how Doc missed the message from his time out? </font> A message that I missed? What was that? <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: Actually, I am not a 3 month member, but just decided to start posting. As to Doc, until he was on his snit and was off the board for awhile I did not realize how annoying he was. Dragging up old threads to post an update is just mean to other readers who have a slow connection or think that the thread is new. What is so hard about posting news articles to the In the News thread? Why does FT not come down on him like it does to others who mispost to the wrong thread? Please understand that I tried to talk to Doc via email, as HE REQUESTED, but to date have had no response. So much for his value! Anyway, I am grateful for all the useful information that is contained here, and really don't want to see valuable members of the board leave because Doc thinks he can do whatever he pleases. I realize my responses to his postings are starting to get somewhat snippy, but I am frustrated by his lack of response. I wish we on FT did not have to pay the price for his lack of anything constructive to do besides post and post and post... Maybe this will get his attention? Maybe others who feel this way can add to this thread and make Doc aware that he is not God's gift to FT. Feel free to email me as well. Unlike Doc, I will respond if emailed.</font> Again, they ALL seemed to be a bit "snippy" to me, from the outset! Please accept my humble apologies for being so upsetting to you, and to anyone else similarly afflicted as well! As I'd noted previously, hard as I might try to please everyone, it just does not seem possible, eh? I'll naturally keep trying nonetheless! Randy, once again has also commented, addressing a related issue: "...I hope I can also make one thing clear, it is not posting to older threads that slows things down..." http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000382.html <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: Oh no. Everyone LIKES Doc digging up old threads. He said so himself! We ASKED for him to do this! He conducted a secret survey of EVERYONE on FT and the overwhelming response was to keep digging up threads to make an update. To HELL with anyone who does not like it. Remember, this is FlyerTalk for Doc, and we are just visitors! What a joke. But, it seems that FT does not care so we are left with the problem. Oh well.... </font> Funny you say it is a joke as I too, have come to think of it as a kind of very unfunny joke myself! Again, as hard as I might try to please everyone, it just doesn't seem possible. Perhaps we can both/all continue to keep on trying our very best nonetheless? Like Craig, I too had humbly suggested that you might email Randy himself! Wouldn't that have been a far better idea, in retrospect, to do initially, before you'd posted all these unfortunate personal attacks against me? I've always attempted to do as I thought in the best interests of ALL FT'ers, not what's just in my particular interests, nor, for that matter, in anyone else's in particular. FT is what we ALL collectively make it. Be part of the solution, or part of the problem. The choice is yours! Please feel free to edit your former posts as well. Remember, I too am usually on a very slow connection! Thanks again! Have a great night all! -Mark |
Thank you so much for re-posting every item I have posted in the past. It is very informative. Doc, just get the message. Confine your posting forays to the In the News forum and make everyone happy. Leave the United forum alone. Thanks!
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: Thank you so much for re-posting every item I have posted in the past. It is very informative. Doc, just get the message. Confine your posting forays to the In the News forum and make everyone happy. Leave the United forum alone. Thanks! BTW, find a hobby or something to better use your excessive free time!</font> Your most welcome! It's my pleasure after all! Thanks so much for the wonderful, albeit unsolicited, advice! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif Curiously, "EVERYONE?" Gee, I'm such a "dimwit." Doesn't my opinion/vote even count as one? Wouldn't it actually be like 500,000 to 1, after all? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/redface.gif Perhaps you might REread the above, and email Randy directly if you have further questions? And, also, just for the record, I didn't "repost every item [you] have posted in the past" here. After all, not every single one of your 32 posts were attacks directed at me personally! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/tongue.gif Talk about gettin' the message! Wow! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif To quote another FT'er, who often asks this question of others, have you ever considered whether this website is truly for you? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif Alternatively, have you ever considered possibly trying to accept the posts of others, and maybe entertained the thought of attempting to post something of conceiveable use to others? That would, of course, be real nice to see! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Have a great weekend! -Mark |
Please do something about Doc? How about please do something for Doc, like saying thank you. If you can't say something nice...
* I spend most of my FT time in the United forum and don't mind connections to old threads at all. I rather enjoy seeing how current topics have evolved over time. The collective memory of FT is appreciated. * It certainly seems odd some someone with less than 40 posts to be spending so many of those posts criticizing other members of FT. * This has been hashed out alot. Posting the same argument over and over seems much worse than posting updates on things that have been discussed in the past. * It's clear that Randy values Doc's contributions. That should end the story. Look, I don't want to spin this thread out of control (and we all know that Doc can be a touchy subject for some)... Let's all just enjoy the board for what it is. ------------------ More Room Throughout Coach: the Website of Free Miles and Free Markets |
Well said, gleff.
Doc's attempts to be helpful, informative, and friendly, have been rehashed often on this board. No cause to jump all over him for adding additional info to a past thread. If you're not interested, fine, just don't open the thread. It's basically that simple. So, in this case, gamble, you're playing with a cold deck. Thanks, Doc, and Gleff. bj-21. |
I'm a proponent of free speech. You go DOC!!!
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Yes, I'm really not sure why there are FTer's who take this all so personally. As far as I know, this board is open to all members to post freely. There is no censorship of objectionable speech, though Randy and the moderators (sounds like a rock band) reserve the right to close topics as they see fit. That's just the way it goes. Conversely, if behavior which you find objectionable continues, you may be in the minority in finding it truly objectionable. To be frank (as opposed to jack), I don't always like all the updates, but SOMETIMES I do, and it doesn't even matter what I think anyway.
And please remember, all, that you speak for yourselves, not for me, never for me. As some of you may know, I can defend myself very well, and prefer to fight my own battles, so don't go telling people, everyone thinks this or that, because you're not Barbara Streisand, okay???? ------------------ "I argue very well. Ask any of my remaining friends." - Dave Barry [This message has been edited by anonplz (edited 10-20-2002).] |
Doc and all...
Did it ever occur to you all that "everyone" is a figure of speech and NOT to be taken literally? Is this your first time running into someone using "everyone" when they don't mean that a poll was taken and that the response was 100%? Also, I have very little to add since I only travel personally and have no great experiences to share. I could post a trip report on my wonderful flight to Orlando in coach, but I don't see how that would add any value. I have no means to upgrade, so it was in coach. No Economy Plus. What am I left with? A report on a 2 hour flight in coach? I look around here because this is an interesting subject to me, and I find enjoyment in hearing about all the travel that people do. When I have something of interest, I will be happy to post it. I am trying to make a point on Doc and his habit of digging up old threads and adding subject matter that is, AT BEST, slightly related to the topic title and at worst not related at all. If there was a way to see that Doc was the last poster before opening the thread, this would not be an issue. Since there is not, I end up opening threads and re-reading them just to discover the content is up to a year old with a Doc post at the end. It's that simple. As to the emailing Randy or FT issue, drop it! Randy and the FT staff have better things to do than get an email from me. I for one will not waste their time. Please do not respond that my posting is a waste of YOUR time, as frankly you have the option of not reading my threads. Unlike Doc, I do not dig up old threads to add a comment! Bottom line - please understand that I have no wish to cause trouble, but I do hope that if I annoy Doc long enough he will go back into one of his "snits" and leave the board. Wishful thinking I know. But, what other choice do I have. There is no good way to deal with a person like Doc besides annoyance. [This message has been edited by gamble0813 (edited 10-21-2002).] |
Lots of people fly coach out of Orlando, probably more than fly F in the entire US in a given year. Your report would be useful to any of them.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by cedric: Lots of people fly coach out of Orlando, probably more than fly F in the entire US in a given year. Your report would be useful to any of them.</font> Gamble, you should give yourself more credit. My feeling is that though I am a nobody other than a registered user, I am as entitled to post freely here as anyone else, and I will e-mail Randy 30 bazillion times a day, if that's what I feel is effective. Furthermore, part of the FT moderator's JOB is to field complaints from FTer's about what's wrong/right with Flyeratlk - why would that exclude you? Suffice it to say that the reality is that I have NEVER e-mailed Randy directly, nor any of the moderators simply because I feel strongly that the flaming and personal attacks are easily overlooked, and discredit the poster, not the postee. My suggestion is to start a thread in OMNI if you want to go off about doc's updates - plenty of people have, but it is NOT appropriate IMHO to criticize within a thread if criticizing is off-topic. EDIT: Last but not least, in a similar fashion that I feel "anti-semitism" is misused by everyone from Thomas Friedman to FTer's discussing Israel, "everyone" means everyone to me, not "most people" or even "a majority of people". If I feel that someone uses that arrogantly, encompassing me within their "everyone", you better believe I am going to speak up, and no, I do not like being referred to as one of "everyone." [This message has been edited by anonplz (edited 10-22-2002).] |
gruezi gamble0813
you joined 'our' board in early 2002 - the topic that goes with your 'suggestion' here has been discusssed already in 1998 and the way it 'goes' now is what the board owner (Randy) approved for a long time already. any pure negativ post against anybody having started (or given 'rebirth' to) a topic that you don't like, has the (probably unwanted by you) effect, that the topic again heads the forum, and will leave the next reader again with what you dislike (reading your personal commentaries instead , what was expected, some news about the topic). |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by anonplz: My suggestion is to start a thread in OMNI if you want to go off about doc's updates - plenty of people have, but it is NOT appropriate IMHO to criticize within a thread if criticizing is off-topic.</font> FewMiles.. ------------------ [ FlyerTalkers' Resources on the Web ] [ Unofficial Guide to AAdvantage ] [ Unofficial oneworld Info Desk ] |
I agree with most of the posts above except those of 'gamble0813'. I read the UA Forum more than you do on any day of any month "gamble" and doc's posts there are minor and do not bother me one jot. Your 'normal' posts do not bother me either. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif
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Again, hasn't this "issue" come up in various other earlier threads previously including this one?
http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/004155.html Will it ever stop? Thanks! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif -Mark |
DOC is a free clipping engine - he is the archive of FT and adds incredible value by contributing so much time to this effort.
Thank you doc for making FT a more valuable resource! |
Give him a Pulitzer prize.
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I like Doc. If you don't, then just don't read his post's.
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gamble0813,
Thank you. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif I agree. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Have a great day ALL! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif |
Ooops, sorry! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
I forgot to mention that I fly United! Thanks! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif |
Oops! Sorry again! I am on a different key board so I have more troubles than I usually do! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
This is the comment from "gamble" with which I agree the most: "I am trying to make a point on Doc and his habit of digging up old threads and adding subject matter that is, AT BEST, slightly related to the topic title and at worst not related at all. If there was a way to see that Doc was the last poster before opening the thread, this would not be an issue. Since there is not, I end up opening threads and re-reading them just to discover the content is up to a year old with a Doc post at the end. It's that simple." Yes! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Thank you! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif I agree! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by rbernheim: I like Doc. If you don't, then just don't read his post's.</font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by blairvanhorn: Oops! Sorry again! I am on a different key board so I have more troubles than I usually do! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif This is the comment from "gamble" with which I agree the most: "I am trying to make a point on Doc and his habit of digging up old threads and adding subject matter that is, AT BEST, slightly related to the topic title and at worst not related at all. If there was a way to see that Doc was the last poster before opening the thread, this would not be an issue. Since there is not, I end up opening threads and re-reading them just to discover the content is up to a year old with a Doc post at the end. It's that simple." Yes! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Thank you! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif I agree! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif </font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by doc: Again, hasn't this "issue" come up in various other earlier threads previously including this one? http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/004155.html Will it ever stop? Thanks! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif -Mark</font> STOP DRAGGING UP OLD THREADS TO POST AN UPDATE! START A NEW THREAD! Get it? If you do, then this will stop. If not, and if you feel that you can do whatever you want, then please extend the same to me. I will keep posting about your annoying habit as well. Bottom line: You stop and I stop. Fair? |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: STOP DRAGGING UP OLD THREADS TO POST AN UPDATE! START A NEW THREAD! Get it? If you do, then this will stop. If not, and if you feel that you can do whatever you want, then please extend the same to me. I will keep posting about your annoying habit as well. </font> |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Morrissey: Get a clue...if NOT ONE PERSON responds to a thread, then NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN THE TOPIC! If they were, they would reply to it!!!</font> Maybe it's bad manners, or lack of time, or a desire to save bandwith, but I often click on a link which has been supplied by an FTer and find it very interesting and useful. I rarely, however, go back to the post and post "great link - thanks very much" unless I have something more substantive to add! |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Wingnut: Maybe it's bad manners, or lack of time, or a desire to save bandwith, but I often click on a link which has been supplied by an FTer and find it very interesting and useful. I rarely, however, go back to the post and post "great link - thanks very much" unless I have something more substantive to add!</font> |
to my knowledge, the lurker vs. poster ratio is higher than 15:1 here on FlyerTalk.
I learned more (but not really from doc's posts ...) lurking (learning from others expiriences and knowledge) here, than from the answers I got to my questions or the discussions I was involved in. |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Morrissey: My apologies...I was under the impression that this was a discussion board.</font> But obviously a lot of benefits come from discussion, but then there can be a lot of noise which doesn't benefit the general discussion. Which is what I suppose I was trying to avoid by not posting. But then I suppose that it's what you're trying to avoid too! And before I can involved any further in the debate I said I didn't want to get involved in, I'm signing off! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Rudi: to my knowledge, the lurker vs. poster ratio is higher than 15:1 here on FlyerTalk. I learned more (but not really from doc's posts ...) lurking (learning from others expiriences and knowledge) here, than from the answers I got to my questions or the discussions I was involved in.</font> |
Why should I use the toilet? I can crap anywhere I da** well please!
There's a message in there somewhere. FewMiles.. ------------------ [ FlyerTalkers' Resources on the Web ] [ Unofficial Guide to AAdvantage ] [ Unofficial oneworld Info Desk ] |
My purpose, plain and simple, as I believe nearly everyone here already knows, is to dump everywhere for all FT'ers in general and Randy & Co. in particular, as best as I possibly can.
More news droppings, anyone? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif FewMiles.. |
Just because I don't post a response to a thread, it doesn't mean that I didn't find the post useful or informative. I think that many of the links to news articles in zero response threads get widely clicked on.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by gamble0813: Doc is going wild in the UA forum, posting updates (at least 10 at last count) to message threads that are months old! In one case, the "update" does not even refer to the original topic. It appears that Doc thinks he can do whatever he wants, and he is going to ruin the board. Please help in this matter. Thank you!</font> First of all, welcome to FlyerTalk. It's nice that you have been able to join us and hopefully get some value of the information posted on FlyerTalk. When you joined us to actively post, FlyerTalk was almost three years old and over that time we've had to rely on a number of members to help FlyerTalk grow. Doc is one of them. By my use of the word "grow" you will probably have your own ideas by now. However, time and time again i've seem Doc help a new member by digging out of the past an amazing ability to find and know where a particular thread is. It's these moments that i appreciate the value of a member like Doc. As to his overposting as you might say. There is a reality that all members of frequent flyer programs are not the same. For some they don't get excited about miles and points at all. for others - they become superfans and all activited have them - sports, NASCAR, politics, etc. Doc is our superfan and frankly, there is room for him on FlyerTalk. Of the estimated 35,000 posts that Doc has made, I've honestly can't tell you how many of them I've read - perhaps only a few hudred. Doesn't mean i don't like what he posts. It simply means that i read for content and strange at it may be, rarely look at who posted the content. I started FlyerTalk because I was interested in what others had to say, and like some of the others, can't get enough of comment and information. Doc doesn't not annoy me with his posts. Because as I've said, i focus less on the person posting than i do on the comment. Are some of Doc's posts soft? Sure, but to that list might be some of yours and mine and probably just about every other member than Rudi or QuietLion (they do really good stuff). FlyerTalk is a bit like the real world - we learn to take it for what value it offers us and for me, spend less energy trying to make it perfect for me. I will only take action on Doc's posts if they are out of line with our TOC or if I think that as part of a confrontation with other members might need a cooling off period. At this moment, I see no reason to take any action of Doc, and in fact may go find something he's recently posted and enjoy it. To quote gleff "* It's clear that Randy values Doc's contributions. That should end the story." I think it does end the story for now. |
Randy,
Since you by admission have only read a VERY small percentage of doc's posts, I would suggest you look at some more when you have some free time. This is copied from the TOC: Off topic Posts Off topic posts take two general forms: Posts within a discussion thread that detract from the topic being discussed. Topic-starting posts that are placed in an inappropriate forum. When determining in which forum to place a topic-starting post, pay close attention to the forum description. MANY of doc's posts are off-topic. That is a complaint of not just Gamble, but of many others. Why is doc allowed to violate this section of the TOC? |
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by CameraGuy: Randy, Since you by admission have only read a VERY small percentage of doc's posts, I would suggest you look at some more when you have some free time. This is copied from the TOC: Off topic Posts Off topic posts take two general forms: Posts within a discussion thread that detract from the topic being discussed. Topic-starting posts that are placed in an inappropriate forum. When determining in which forum to place a topic-starting post, pay close attention to the forum description. MANY of doc's posts are off-topic. That is a complaint of not just Gamble, but of many others. Why is doc allowed to violate this section of the TOC?</font> What? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif Are you now reversing yourself once again and saying that FT is not perfect? Are you saying that FT is broken? It would seem so! Nontheless thanks for being respectful and for showing restraint in posting your abject opinion once again here. To quote someone we both know, quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: ...As a rule, I do ignore doc's threads. Have for a VERY long time... http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006589.html Yes, you ignore my comments and yet you know better than Randy? Sure!!! Your posted replies to many of my comments, as well as to others, do certainly appear to indicate that you had seemingly failed to comprehend, sadly, what had been written - just as in this case. You are on the record, in more than one case, as saying it is simply because you had actually ignored 'em! Can we believe anything that you say? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/confused.gif If that's the case, why reply at all to something that you have/had ignored and never read? This is a rather curious and seemingly senseless strategy, no? Moreover, To again quote someone we both know, quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: Why do you insist on asking the same questions over and over again? ... ...It is quite clear you are unhappy with FT. It would also seem quite clear that Randy is happy with the state of FT. Why not channel your energy into another board? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000079.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: If anyone here is unhappy with FT..., I would suggest they contact Randy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000075.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: ...IMO, FT is NOT broken in the least. Let's continue to keep the positive changes and not listen to a MINORITY... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000079.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: ...You seem to be amongst the VERY FEW who think that anything is broken. You also seem to want to ignore the facts that have been presented against your position. So, It would seem that you are just going to keep asking the same questions OVER and OVER again... ...I still think you would be better off if you would accept that FT is not exactly for you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000079.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: ...FT is NOT broken. Having the same person say so over and over again does not make it so... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000079.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: Why ruin a system that functions quite well for the MAJORITY of users -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000079.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: Randy Commented in ...earlier threads on this SAME topic... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For example: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Randy Petersen: ...Doc is one of the most important assets of FlyerTalk and is more than welcome here yesterday, today and certainly tomorrow. Sure, it's not hard to notice his posts and sometimes even difficult to ignore, but what some of you may not fully appreciate is his value to all members. I know for a fact that hundreds of 'newbies' have been personally helped by Doc to topics because he has them all memorized. I find it personally helpful to know that if i am ever wondering about a certain topic and don't think i can explain it enough to the search engine that Doc knows of the thread. In my own mind, i view him as our personal librarian. Appreciate this fact as well, as prolific as his posting is - he doesn't take cheap shots, rarely if ever is called into controversy and has always been a staunch supporter of the greater good of FlyerTalk. His volunteerism is above reproach and in most other organizations we'd be giving him a medal... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/004155.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000079.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: ...but FT functions quite well for the MAJORITY of the users -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000079-3.html quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: ...I hope that Randy does not listen to the minority view that FT needs "Fixing"... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000074.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: ...If voicing that opinion is not to be allowed, then voicing the other opinion should not be either. Especially when the "pro" camp starts stating that very few people disagree with them... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000058.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: ...IMHO, this board is probably at it's highest signal to noise ratio since I joined... When I state highest signal to noise ratio, I am not talking about quantity at all... ...I am talking about QUALITY. IMHO, the direction that Randy has taken FT has given us a board that is much more on-topic than it was even 3 months ago... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000058-3.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: ...People are complaining about the direction FT has taken... ..I am pointing out that IMHO FT is now a better place... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000058-3.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: ...In the many threads dedicated to the discussion...one theme is constant. That is the FT is "Broken" theme. None of these discussions have occured without someone, usually the same people, writing in some form or another, that FT is broken. That theme has permeated this thread ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000058-3.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: ...I think we all agree that "Flame" Threads, Attack Threads and Commercial Message Threads should be closed... ...I think most would see that Randy is not going to change his mind about changing/moving Off-Topic Posts... ...Randy has in the past closed the same type of threads about other FT'ers that were not around. Here is a quote from on of those threads: quote: --------------------------------------------- Originally Posted By Randy Petersen As members of this community, we do not talk about other members - good, bad or indifferent. We do however return to the topics of travel, miles and points when the opprtunity arrives. I think that opportunity is here now. ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000058-4.html --- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CameraGuy: ...I would hope that the moderators will enforce ALL aspects of the TOS. Including that oft ingnored paragraph about off-topic posts and topics... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000040-2.html --- Shall I continue on,... and on, and on? As you know, one easily could! Yet, I'd think not! Hate to waste the bandwidth, right? The rules and policies herein necessarily cut both ways, and should apply equally to all, IMHO. I personally make every effort, now as I always have, to contribute to FT in the very best way that I know, for the benefit of all, at the expense of none! Attempting to show some respect for all who particiapte is a requirement, IMHO, for a successful board, and I surely hope that we all can! IMHO, we should all be commenting upon and debating issues and not people. All those 30,000+ posts, and yet do you see me criticizing/attacking/complaining about others? But for the occassional unwarranted, unnecessary response to a personal attack, for which I am indeed also very sorry, no! Given your continued intense interest in policymaking and enforcement, manifested by the fact that the vast majority of your posts appear to address the shortcomings of others, may I politely suggest that you run for the FlyerTalk TalkBoard, CameraGuy! BTW, perhaps you'll kindly update us all on the situation concerning the help you'd requested with the "stalker" issue, CameraGuy? http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006035.html After nearly two months now, so one wonders how it all played out? You've presumably resolved this concern? For the benefit of us all, can you please tell us how? Thanks! PLEASE!!!! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Shall I recount your entire history of personal attacks on me and others? Shall I post all the links? I'd think not! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif Get real, would ya' please? Why be so foolish as to once again engage in rehashing the very same issues, when in each and every past case, we got precisely "nowhere?" Often you seemingly just retreated in disgust or ignored my question(s)! The only rest period occured during your unfortunate "lifetime ban." Yo again quote you "the horse is dead!" May I politely ask you how you actually see yourself as a "contributor" to this site. Are you a "policeman" of some sorts? Perhaps Randy may clarify for us if he has actually deputized you or somehow solicited your help in "fixing" FT? Or is FT not broken, as you recently have so often said? How many of your posts actually do provide info, rather than a complaint or criticism of another? Can you give a rough percentage for us all please? Or should I post this info myself? Or maybe, on second thought, we should just drop the whole matter? Thanks! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Does anyone else, besides me, think that FT is not about clashing egos, but rather truly think that FT is about kindly sharing miles, travel, and other information among a tremendously diverse group of interested individuals! How about finally gettin' back on track? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif Have a great day all! -Mark |
[quote]<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by FewMiles:
[b] Please do come to OMNI, but contribute to signal rather than noise. Let's not talk about posters, especially ones who make for a tiring topic. FewMiles.. --- Originally posted by FewMiles: Why should I use the toilet? I can crap anywhere I da** well please! There's a message in there somewhere. FewMiles.. </font> --- I guess the message, sadly, is that you are profoundly hypocritical? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/frown.gif "Do as I say not as I do", huh? Here's a brief sampling of just some the many other highly objective, constructive comments, "signal" that is, contributed by "FewMiles": http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum71/HTML/010443.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum71/HTML/009749.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum71/HTML/007769.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum72/HTML/000607.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/001797.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/001884.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/002000.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum95/HTML/002002.html http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/004382.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000342.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000338.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum73/HTML/000336.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000040.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000058.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000069.html http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum...ML/000020.html http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/005544.html http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/005719.html http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/005722.html http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/005753.html http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006714.html http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006589.html http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006507.html http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006011.html http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006604.html http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006603.html http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/007210.html --- Until I see that I myself have nothing better to do than make smartass posts about others, I'm confident that I'll be just fine - relatively speaking! quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by FewMiles: ...The abuse of resources, and attacks against others has gone largely unchecked. Time for people of conscience to stand up against the continued abuse... ...There is no solution. If people just look the other way, then the problem just continues. No, I won't go for that. People who come to this place need to know that not everyone here silently puts up with some people throwing their weight around... ...No problem. Just put me in your filter and you will never have to put up with me criticising you or your posting methods again... ...You can keep posting in any darn way you please and if you do so, I will continue to speak my mind and let it be known that there are those who do not share the viewpoint of the silent majority that everything is just peachy when it comes to the "all doc, all the time" bulletin board. Just because they are silent does not mean they like it. Being ubiquitous has a price. Public figures are subject to public criticism. You may not have political aspirations in real life, but in this community, you are certainly a famous name. I mean 34000+ posts, somebody's bound to have noticed. FewMiles.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Again, as I'd peviously noted, you are more omniscient than I'd ever imagined! FT purportedly has nearly 500,000 unique visitors each month and you actually know all their views? And you are also their ("silent" majority) representative? And the "rules" somehow do not apply to you? If I'd only known all this earlier! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/wink.gif Curiously, does this post perhaps strike a familiar bell? quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by FewMiles: Oh and e-mailing Randy or one of the FT admins was not a viable option? Oh, I see... we here have to take matters into our own hands... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum.../000278-6.html --- One can only wonder, and speculate, about the reason(s) for the seemingly ongoing complete absence of logic and lack of consistency demonstrated here? Or perhaps you can explain it? Could you not have also simply used e-mailed for your comments as well? Why, after all, are we having this discussion online, as I'm fairly sure that it pleases no one - or rather, next to no one! Curiously, if we should not agree, why continue to publicly argue? Must I agree with you and your position to end this "nonsense?" :confusion: If one does not agree, I guess that it only follows that one does not listen? IMHO, this misguided effort is far more likely about attention- more importantly and accurately, about perceived attention, as well as perhaps about certain folks who think they know what's best for everyone else, no? Again, regarding the issue of "higher standards," please kindly recall that it is you that had purported to hold me to a higher standard, and that I have, in very sharp contrast, always emphasized equally and equal treatment for all FT'ers. Do you not recall? Need I post the links? In any case, as is so often the case it seems, we disagree! For the record, to anyone interested, FewMiles has never met me personally, nor have I had the pleasure of meeting him! And, FWIW, I surely see this discussion as increasingly fruitless. Perhaps we can agree to disagree and either end it, or move it offline. IMHO, it's now well past the point of being enough. --- The CURRENT "TOS/rules," allegedly applying to all users of FT states that (bold/italic added): Any posts containing communications that are knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, obscene, profane, threatening, harassing, offensive, vulgar, abusive, hateful or bashing - especially those aimed at sexual orientation, gender, race, color, religious views, national origin, or disability - will not be tolerated and will be removed. Individuals who do not abide by these rules are subject to having their FlyerTalk account permanently deleted. The TOS continues: Personal attacks on individuals, insults and "flaming" will not be tolerated and will be removed. eventually noting in conclusion, the answer to a question that I'd once posed earlier: Is there a formal discipline policy for members who don't follow the rules? Yes there is. Any member whose behavior causes disruption on the message boards, either because of the tone and language of their posts or their attitude toward other members, may lose their posting privileges for one week. Members who become disruptive a second time are issued a one-month timeout. A third strike results in a permanent withdrawal of the offending member's posting privileges. Are these terms not rather clear? I hope that I'm not alone in hoping that the FT boards might rapidly return to civility. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006589.html BTW, it's good that we all had that big apology from you, eh? [QUOTE]Originally posted by FewMiles: [B]I too apologise to all of FT (including doc, of course!) for all the damage. (Good thing we kept it confined to the one place for once http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/eek.gif ) Time to take this off-line... FewMiles.. http://www.flyertalk.com/travel/fttr...ML/006620.html Again, as I've said before, whenever you're finally ready to "bury the hatchet", simply let me know - and it's done! My hatchet is already buried! Have a great day everyone! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif -Mark |
I daresay the FT search function got a thorough workout today! http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
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