Jun 28, 2018, 8:11 pm
Last edit by: Kagehitokiri
16 spg most expensive entry level awards >
31,500 st regis bali
40,000 The Naka Island,
40,000 Le Méridien Bora Bora
60k? vana belle
60,000 W Retreat Koh Samui
60,000 The St. Regis Bora Bora Resort
60,000 Al Maha Desert Resort & Spa
60,000 Mystique
Romazzino / Pitrizza / Cala Di Volpe >
70,000 Starpoints per night outside of July and August
140,000 Starpoints per night July and August full board
90k? st regis maldives (mistake opening rate 31,500)
90,000 W Retreat and Spa Maldives
? westin playa conchal
? phoenician residences
? st regis aspen residences
31,500 st regis bali
40,000 The Naka Island,
40,000 Le Méridien Bora Bora
60k? vana belle
60,000 W Retreat Koh Samui
60,000 The St. Regis Bora Bora Resort
60,000 Al Maha Desert Resort & Spa
60,000 Mystique
Romazzino / Pitrizza / Cala Di Volpe >
70,000 Starpoints per night outside of July and August
140,000 Starpoints per night July and August full board
90k? st regis maldives (mistake opening rate 31,500)
90,000 W Retreat and Spa Maldives
? westin playa conchal
? phoenician residences
? st regis aspen residences
spg with entry cost of 31.5k > 140k per nt
Jun 28, 2018, 1:19 pm
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spg with entry cost of 31.5k > 140k per nt
is it still unclear what is happening with these?
IMHO 17 most expensive hotel awards deserves its own thread, YMMV
one marriott page label above * as 30k spg [x3=90k] cat 7
naka and steamboat similarly match category cat 6 and 5
but these 17 hotels charge premium above category
** limited participation
31.5 x 3 = 94.5
40 x 3 = 120
140 x 3 = 420
when they previewed dubai points a while ago they did not list al maha
think kind of a critical issue for many here (& whether i do any earn/burn)
st regis residence club aspen still shows cat 7, marriott doesnt list it
starwoodhotels.com/stregis/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=1509
no way spg costing 140k spg 420k marriott magically drop to 30k spg 90k marriott
then only costing 20k spg 60k marriott this year and 23k spg 70k marriott next year
IMHO 17 most expensive hotel awards deserves its own thread, YMMV
40,000 * Vana Belle ** [more now - 60k ?] [suites and villas]
40,000 The Naka Island ** [villas]
40,000 Sheraton Steamboat Resort Villas [less now - 24k?]
Category 7 properties, can range from 31,500 to 140,000 Starpoints per night
* The Westin Golf Resort & Spa, Playa Conchal ** [upgraded accommodations]
* The St Regis Bora Bora ** [villas]
* Le Meridien Bora Bora ** [suites]
* Mystique, Santorini ** [suites]
* The St. Regis Bali Resort ** [suites or villas]
* Hotel Cala di Volpe **
* Hotel Pitrizza **
* Hotel Romazzino **
* W Retreat & Spa, North Ari Atoll, Maldives ** [villas]
* The St. Regis Vommuli Resort, Vommuli, Maldives ** [villas and suites]
* W Retreat, Koh Samui ** [villas]
* Al Maha Desert Resort & Spa, Dubai ** [villas]
* Phoenician Residences ** [residences (fractionals)]
St. Regis Residence Club, Aspen ** [residences (fractionals)]
40,000 The Naka Island ** [villas]
40,000 Sheraton Steamboat Resort Villas [less now - 24k?]
Category 7 properties, can range from 31,500 to 140,000 Starpoints per night
* The Westin Golf Resort & Spa, Playa Conchal ** [upgraded accommodations]
* The St Regis Bora Bora ** [villas]
* Le Meridien Bora Bora ** [suites]
* Mystique, Santorini ** [suites]
* The St. Regis Bali Resort ** [suites or villas]
* Hotel Cala di Volpe **
* Hotel Pitrizza **
* Hotel Romazzino **
* W Retreat & Spa, North Ari Atoll, Maldives ** [villas]
* The St. Regis Vommuli Resort, Vommuli, Maldives ** [villas and suites]
* W Retreat, Koh Samui ** [villas]
* Al Maha Desert Resort & Spa, Dubai ** [villas]
* Phoenician Residences ** [residences (fractionals)]
St. Regis Residence Club, Aspen ** [residences (fractionals)]
naka and steamboat similarly match category cat 6 and 5
but these 17 hotels charge premium above category
** limited participation
31.5 x 3 = 94.5
40 x 3 = 120
140 x 3 = 420
when they previewed dubai points a while ago they did not list al maha
think kind of a critical issue for many here (& whether i do any earn/burn)
st regis residence club aspen still shows cat 7, marriott doesnt list it
starwoodhotels.com/stregis/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=1509
no way spg costing 140k spg 420k marriott magically drop to 30k spg 90k marriott
then only costing 20k spg 60k marriott this year and 23k spg 70k marriott next year
Last edited by Kagehitokiri; Jun 28, 2018 at 6:59 pm
Jun 28, 2018, 3:59 pm
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Steamboat Springs Studio is 12K/night now (36K Marriott points) and will become a Cat 5 at 35,000 points. I've stayed there several times.
St Regis Residence Aspen is a Limited Participation Residence property so I expect it to be outside the normal redemption schedule.
Most/all of the others have points value listed. If you don't believe/are afraid to book at these rates, then don't book them. I suspect meny, many other members will be happy to.
St Regis Residence Aspen is a Limited Participation Residence property so I expect it to be outside the normal redemption schedule.
Most/all of the others have points value listed. If you don't believe/are afraid to book at these rates, then don't book them. I suspect meny, many other members will be happy to.
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Jun 28, 2018, 4:13 pm
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they have a month to clarify. (i recall st regis maldives opened at a lower / regular rate before being set at typical level. seems to have lasted one month, july 2016, pulled aug 3 2016 after blog coverage)
i quoted spg, they hadnt updated
vana is up
steamboat is down
i removed the hotel that left spg
steamboat at same suite multiplier would be 24k
again, they specifically chose to exclude al maha in april dubai list
in april, i see one blog said this, without sourcing >
all 17 are limited participation, ill try to post current costs
edit - 16 limited, sheraton steamboat timeshare is not
phoenician residences is also residences (fractionals) and marriott lists it
ritz carlton has hotels that are fractionals and residences, dont participate in rewards
(as in zero non-residential accommodations, though singapore hotel also no rewards)
marriott allowed a lot to not participate, while starwood finally got all to participate
i quoted spg, they hadnt updated
vana is up
steamboat is down
i removed the hotel that left spg
steamboat at same suite multiplier would be 24k
again, they specifically chose to exclude al maha in april dubai list
in april, i see one blog said this, without sourcing >
Marriott has confirmed that the all-suite properties in the Starwood portfolio are not accounted for in the new award chart
edit - 16 limited, sheraton steamboat timeshare is not
phoenician residences is also residences (fractionals) and marriott lists it
ritz carlton has hotels that are fractionals and residences, dont participate in rewards
(as in zero non-residential accommodations, though singapore hotel also no rewards)
marriott allowed a lot to not participate, while starwood finally got all to participate
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Jun 28, 2018, 6:19 pm
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31,500 st regis bali
24k? sheraton steamboat villas
60k? vana belle
90k? st regis maldives (mistake opening rate 31,500)
? westin playa conchal
? phoenician residences
? st regis aspen residences
Romazzino / Pitrizza / Cala Di Volpe >
=outside of July and August ... 70,000 Starpoints per night.
July and August ... full board ... 140,000 Starpoints per night
peak season full board at those 3 (high rate)
all-inclusive at westin playa conchal (not high rate)
all-inclusive including excursions at al maha (high rate)
old post >
but looking at marriott terms that may have changed
going back to st regis maldives temporary error, the error was starting with only 2nd level / 1st room upgrade, not higher https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/starwood-starwood-preferred-guest/631787-starwood-points-redemption-increase-2007-a-post6854909.html#post6854909
which is exactly what im comparing to, marriott saying 'room' when its not rooms
st regis maldives >
some may not be aware of how insane some spg holiday rates are - book while you can
24k? sheraton steamboat villas
60k? vana belle
90k? st regis maldives (mistake opening rate 31,500)
? westin playa conchal
? phoenician residences
? st regis aspen residences
=outside of July and August ... 70,000 Starpoints per night.
July and August ... full board ... 140,000 Starpoints per night
peak season full board at those 3 (high rate)
all-inclusive at westin playa conchal (not high rate)
all-inclusive including excursions at al maha (high rate)
old post >
but looking at marriott terms that may have changed
going back to st regis maldives temporary error, the error was starting with only 2nd level / 1st room upgrade, not higher https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/starwood-starwood-preferred-guest/631787-starwood-points-redemption-increase-2007-a-post6854909.html#post6854909
which is exactly what im comparing to, marriott saying 'room' when its not rooms
st regis maldives >
some may not be aware of how insane some spg holiday rates are - book while you can
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Jun 28, 2018, 8:51 pm
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be interesting to see what happens with all suite properties. so many blogs have been pushing the STR Maldives for 80K MR. way too cheap imo.
these all suite properties will be flooded with points booking
these all suite properties will be flooded with points booking
Jun 28, 2018, 8:58 pm
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marriott members (many more) would also suddenly have much greater opportunity value
60k this year, then 70k 85k 100k after. instead of 120k, 180k, 210k, 270k, 420k per night
marriott had basically nothing similar, and ritz carlton reserve and bulgari dont participate
marriott upgrade awards are also not standardized like spg (linked in my last post)
60k this year, then 70k 85k 100k after. instead of 120k, 180k, 210k, 270k, 420k per night
marriott had basically nothing similar, and ritz carlton reserve and bulgari dont participate
marriott upgrade awards are also not standardized like spg (linked in my last post)
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Aug 18, 2018, 10:42 am
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at 90K starpoint level, possible update >
(at cat 7 price, so great deal)
rest 'match' SPG, quoting posted leaked terms >
rest 'match' SPG, quoting posted leaked terms >
Free Night Awards at the following locations require a higher amount of Points
Aug 18, 2018, 11:11 am
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On the MR side, Bulgari hotels never participated.
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are you talking about the rooms that were former hotel rooms that they converted (ie not the tower nearest the slopes? if not, that is an amazing deal.
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Marriott is full of number crunchers — and they won’t hesitate to play games to squeeze what further money they can get out of the loyalty program. That means reducing its cost per point redeemed at hotels too, especially at the hotels with the highest prices. What Marriott has done with legacy Is travel package certificates speaks volumes in this regard, and what it says isn’t generally good for customers.
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The number and percentage of rooms that are “standard”/“base”/entry-level” category may be so low as to make it borderline impossible to get 5-7 nights at a place using points at the most marketed award chart price level. Some hotels even sell off many or even all of their “standard” rooms in-season as part of tour packages, further eroding the chance to use hotel program points for a “free”’stay.