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Old Apr 25, 2024, 2:47 pm
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Old Apr 25, 2024, 3:28 pm
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Originally Posted by dcstudent
The press release also notes significant capacity reductions at O'Hare and Atlanta. For Atlanta (my home airport), will be interesting to see how many flights get cut, whether any non-stop destinations are cut, and whether they give up any gates on their side of the C Terminal.

https://swamedia.com/releases/release-f9b0d09b13627fa65cf1f5e65d0c91db-southwest-airlines-reports-first-quarter-2024-results
ATL is my home airport and WN has been my backup airline when Delta can’t get me somewhere so this is disappointing. (Maybe I should have taken more southwest flights!)
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Old Apr 25, 2024, 4:44 pm
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Originally Posted by jmw
I'm looking at ORD for the next complete pullout at a big airport.

Other Candidates: SBA, FAT, PSP, LIH, KOA, ITO (I've flown into none of these but have flown into other nearby airports)
I can see seasonal variations occurring with hawaii.
I don’t see FAT going. It’s close to national parks and there isn’t a substitute airport near it.
I can see reduction if they are serving nearby airports.

they could pull out of IAD if WN gets outside perimeter slots from DCA. Right now they only fly to DEN and occasionally to PHX. They stopped running IAD-ATL and IAD-MDW.

I still see them adding cities that are tourist places. Therr is bern long talk of doing JAC

other candidates are the 1 flight a day routes like denver to montrose that could be dropped.
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Old Apr 25, 2024, 8:26 pm
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Originally Posted by m907
IAH was a game-changer for us and the flights always seemed full. I wonder if they will bring it back.
Yes, they will be back in a few years or so. Due to gates situation. Right now terminal A still ongoing renovation and they don’t have enough gate space.
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Old Apr 25, 2024, 8:33 pm
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Originally Posted by djp98374
I still see them adding cities that are tourist places. There's been long talk of doing JAC
Unless something has changed since I left the Jackson Hole area in 2019, there's no chance of WN adding JAC unless either WN buys Airbus/RJs or Boeing reduce the minimum take-off distance for a 737. The problem (as it was explained to me) is that the combination of the high altitude and short runway means that a fully loaded 737 can't safely take off. The runway won't be extended because it's entirely inside Grand Teton National Park. I know about this because UA used (for whatever strange reason) to fly 737s JAC-EWR and one time flying JAC-EWR-LHR, I got a call from UA a few hours before the flight to tell me that they needed to change my flight because there were too many passengers going to EWR so the plane was too heavy to take off safely. UA ended up flying me in F all the way on UA/BA JAC-DEN-LHR.

JAC is an expensive airport (for passengers, airlines and general aviation) and the ground staff (eg. baggage handling) can leave a lot to be desired. Many people who use JAC would be delighted if WN flew there but it seems to be hard for lower cost airlines to make it work. F9 tried serving JAC, then ended the service, then tried it again, then ended the service again. SY are apparently now trying the JAC market but I'm skeptical they will make money from it.
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Old Apr 25, 2024, 8:50 pm
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Originally Posted by ryw
ATL is my home airport and WN has been my backup airline when Delta can’t get me somewhere so this is disappointing. (Maybe I should have taken more southwest flights!)
AP story says "Southwest will cut half of its flights in Atlanta."

Local paper (AJC) says "the 119 departures a day from Atlanta will decline to 94 daily departures."

Both statements can't be right.
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Old Apr 26, 2024, 2:12 am
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It looks like BLI is losing another airline which isn't G4 or AS/QX (which is down to only SEA flights) and the occasional casino charter.

I was sad when WN decided not to serve PAE, but was happy when it announced BLI. I was even able to fly the inaugural flight. Loads were almost always very light though, with 45 passengers on a 738 flying OAK-BLI being the lowest I experienced. Passengers, WN agents, and the contracted staff were all extremely nice and seemed to love their jobs.

One thing that made it hard for WN to succeed at BLI was competion from four nearby airports as well as a really odd choice of flights (2x daily OAK, 1x daily LAS, later Saturday-only DEN and swapping the OAK and LAS slots) which didn't make for the best connections. Going to daily flights to LAS, PHX, and DEN would e allowed for better connections. Flights out of BLI also skyrocketed in price the last few months such that I haven't flown out of there my last few trips despite preferring it over SEA.

​I absolutely loved that I could be leaving the BLI economy lot with my checked bags 17 minutes after landing.
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Old Apr 26, 2024, 7:01 am
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Originally Posted by Lost_Luggage_in_SEA
Unless something has changed since I left the Jackson Hole area in 2019, there's no chance of WN adding JAC unless either WN buys Airbus/RJs or Boeing reduce the minimum take-off distance for a 737. The problem (as it was explained to me) is that the combination of the high altitude and short runway means that a fully loaded 737 can't safely take off.
This just isn't true.
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Old Apr 26, 2024, 8:18 am
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Originally Posted by Cledaybuck
This just isn't true.
Really? What's your basis for saying that? My explanation is exactly what UA told me and I can say, after living in Jackson WY for six years and flying in and out every two weeks, that almost all the commercial planes one sees there are either RJs or A319s or A320s.
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Old Apr 26, 2024, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by Lost_Luggage_in_SEA
Really? What's your basis for saying that? My explanation is exactly what UA told me and I can say, after living in Jackson WY for six years and flying in and out every two weeks, that almost all the commercial planes one sees there are either RJs or A319s or A320s.
A 737-700 is a performance machine and can absolutely serve JAC. Alaska, Delta, United, and even Frontier have all served Jackson Hole with 737s.
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Old Apr 26, 2024, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by Lost_Luggage_in_SEA
Really? What's your basis for saying that? My explanation is exactly what UA told me and I can say, after living in Jackson WY for six years and flying in and out every two weeks, that almost all the commercial planes one sees there are either RJs or A319s or A320s.
Just do a search on the internet and you can see plenty of pictures/videos of 737's in JAC. Both UA and AS plan to fly them there this summer.
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Old Apr 26, 2024, 2:48 pm
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Originally Posted by jjbiv
A 737-700 is a performance machine and can absolutely serve JAC. Alaska, Delta, United, and even Frontier have all served Jackson Hole with 737s.
Wait! What?? Do you this mean the 737-800 or MAX8?? It can landings in Jackson Hole. The runways isn’t even small or large enough to land in JAC. Isn’t it possible to handle it?
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Old Apr 26, 2024, 3:19 pm
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Originally Posted by N830MH
Wait! What?? Do you this mean the 737-800 or MAX8?? It can landings in Jackson Hole. The runways isn’t even small or large enough to land in JAC. Isn’t it possible to handle it?
The -800 is a dog but the -700 is a hot rod.
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Old Apr 26, 2024, 4:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Cledaybuck
Just do a search on the internet and you can see plenty of pictures/videos of 737's in JAC. Both UA and AS plan to fly them there this summer.
I’ve flown in there multiple times on a 737.

they also closed the airport mid April- late June in 2022 iirc to redo the tarmac/ runways

DL/UA fly smaller craft from SLC/DEN other routes have 737s like AS from ORD and JFK and DL from ATL. AS has been using skywest for SEA-JAC on some days they May use their own 737

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I think WN adds a few Canadian markets in the next few years with YVR being one of them.
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Old Apr 26, 2024, 4:46 pm
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Originally Posted by jjbiv
The -800 is a dog but the -700 is a hot rod.
How many times have we been told by the FA's to buckle up because "this Boeing is Going"

I realize the density altitude doesn't compare but I've been on a fully packed -700 at KEYW and the short field take off was exciting for me. I once landed that runway in a Cessna 152 10 years prior and appreciated the contrast.
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