Southwest uses the same new Boeing plane in Indonesia crash
Mar 12, 2019, 1:53 pm
#196
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SEOUL: We have advised Eastar Jet, the only South Korean airline that owns the B737-8 (two aircraft) -- the same model involved in the Ethiopian Airlines crash -- to ground them," the land, infrastructure and transport ministry said.
There are no Boeing B737 aircraft, including the 737 MAX, registered in Hong Kong, the city's aviation authority said today.
Mar 12, 2019, 2:55 pm
#197
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Assuming this plays out the way most expect, there is both a design issue and a human issue. The MCAS system is failing at what looks like way to high a rate. And in 2 cases the pilots were not able to execute the recovery actions.
I assume the reason why the FAA has not grounded them is that they are comfortable the human issue has been correctly handled within the US system.
Note: When I am saying "human" I am not attributing blame to pilots. Could be pilots, could be training. Could be information. Could be ....
I assume the reason why the FAA has not grounded them is that they are comfortable the human issue has been correctly handled within the US system.
Note: When I am saying "human" I am not attributing blame to pilots. Could be pilots, could be training. Could be information. Could be ....
Mar 12, 2019, 3:19 pm
#198
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Also, I imagine it's going to cause some serious disruptions to Southwest's operations if a lot of people start checking their flights and changing (or trying to change) them if their current flights use the MAX. I believe the chart I saw at NYT article said Southwest uses THE most of this model of any airline in the world (kinda figures, since they're one of the largest and only use 737 variants).
Concerned flyers should consider calling/emailing/facebooking Southwest with their opinions.
Concerned flyers should consider calling/emailing/facebooking Southwest with their opinions.
Mar 12, 2019, 3:24 pm
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So I've wanted to say this, but have held off. Am I the only person who is a little freaked out that WN Maintenance has been rather upset the past few weeks?
Usually I assume such things are normal union posturing, but maybe this is something different.
Ultimately we all put our fates in the hands of WN Pilots who are, by most accounts, the safest in the business.
Usually I assume such things are normal union posturing, but maybe this is something different.
Ultimately we all put our fates in the hands of WN Pilots who are, by most accounts, the safest in the business.
Mar 12, 2019, 3:49 pm
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I did email them. I'm waiting to hear back. It's still within the 48 hour window. Basically I told them I have some flights coming up and I do not want to fly on a MAX8, so how can I ensure they will not be swapping planes to a MAX8 and how can I access information about my aircraft? They make it basically impossible for passengers to see the aircraft information for booked flights.
Mar 12, 2019, 4:06 pm
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Mar 12, 2019, 4:25 pm
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Someone posted that the track record for the MAX8 is 1 crash per 500k flights. That's high by modern standards, so people are correct to be somewhat concerned.
To be consistent, people who expect the highly unlikely to happen should buy lottery tickets!
To be consistent, people who expect the highly unlikely to happen should buy lottery tickets!
Mar 12, 2019, 4:36 pm
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At this point, I am not opposed to walking at the last minute if I see a last minute substitution. I continue to be amazed that neither the FAA nor the individual carriers feel that the prudent course, the safe course, is to keep the planes on the ground. A 45-day grounding is a good first step; by the end of that time we should know if further remedial action is needed.
Mar 12, 2019, 4:47 pm
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OK, so what are aircraft spotting features at the gate? All of the SWA MAX8s have tail numbers starting with N87 (as in N87xxx). Are those the only planes in the SWA fleet with that prefix? For us other non-aircraft spotter geeks, what are the other distinguishing features?
At this point, I am not opposed to walking at the last minute if I see a last minute substitution. I continue to be amazed that neither the FAA nor the individual carriers feel that the prudent course, the safe course, is to keep the planes on the ground. A 45-day grounding is a good first step; by the end of that time we should know if further remedial action is needed.
At this point, I am not opposed to walking at the last minute if I see a last minute substitution. I continue to be amazed that neither the FAA nor the individual carriers feel that the prudent course, the safe course, is to keep the planes on the ground. A 45-day grounding is a good first step; by the end of that time we should know if further remedial action is needed.
Mar 12, 2019, 5:01 pm
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https://www.apnews.com/0cd5389261f34b01a7cbdb1a12421e27
Not good if true, that there have been incidents reported in the US.
Not good if true, that there have been incidents reported in the US.
Mar 12, 2019, 5:54 pm
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Where did you hear "safest in the business" ? And it doesn't matter, if there's something inherently wrong with the airplane, or some training issue that even the most skillful pilot can't deal with in timeframe involved.
Mar 12, 2019, 6:02 pm
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Certainly not reassuring when their own FAs urge to ground the planes.
Mar 12, 2019, 6:07 pm
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https://www.apnews.com/0cd5389261f34b01a7cbdb1a12421e27
Not good if true, that there have been incidents reported in the US.
Not good if true, that there have been incidents reported in the US.
https://www.documentcloud.org/docume...ent/p2/a486265
Mar 12, 2019, 6:25 pm
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The most unsafe commercial aircraft was Concorde, with 11 fatal flights per million flights
Second place is 737max with 4 fatal flights per million flights. (2 fatal flights in 500K flights so far)
The prior 737 has just 0.2 fatal flights per million.
If you flew 737max very frequently, but not as frequently as driving... say 5 round trips (10 flights) a week for 35 years, you have a 7.28% chance of dying during your lifetime flying this bird (1 in 250K odds). Your chances of dying from a car crash is about 1% during your lifetime. Your chances of dying as a passenger in a car crash is 0.17% (1 in 572).
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-b...203441321.html
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/f...mortality-risk
No thank you, Southwest. I'll ride the bus if necessary.
Second place is 737max with 4 fatal flights per million flights. (2 fatal flights in 500K flights so far)
The prior 737 has just 0.2 fatal flights per million.
If you flew 737max very frequently, but not as frequently as driving... say 5 round trips (10 flights) a week for 35 years, you have a 7.28% chance of dying during your lifetime flying this bird (1 in 250K odds). Your chances of dying from a car crash is about 1% during your lifetime. Your chances of dying as a passenger in a car crash is 0.17% (1 in 572).
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-b...203441321.html
https://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/f...mortality-risk
No thank you, Southwest. I'll ride the bus if necessary.