Southwest uses the same new Boeing plane in Indonesia crash
Mar 12, 2019, 11:06 am
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Mar 12, 2019, 11:43 am
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European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) bans all 737-8 MAX aircraft:
EASA has published today an Airworthiness Directive, effective as of 19:00 UTC, suspending all flight operations of all Boeing Model 737-8 MAX and 737-9 MAX aeroplanes in Europe. In addition EASA has published a Safety Directive, effective as of 19:00 UTC, suspending all commercial flights performed by third-country operators into, within or out of the EU of the above mentioned models.
The accident investigation is led by the Ethiopian Authorities with the support of the National Transportation Safety Board, as the aircraft was designed and built in the United States. EASA has offered their assistance in supporting the accident investigation.
EASA is continuously analysing the data as it becomes available. The accident investigation is currently ongoing, and it is too early to draw any conclusions as to the cause of the accident.
The accident investigation is led by the Ethiopian Authorities with the support of the National Transportation Safety Board, as the aircraft was designed and built in the United States. EASA has offered their assistance in supporting the accident investigation.
EASA is continuously analysing the data as it becomes available. The accident investigation is currently ongoing, and it is too early to draw any conclusions as to the cause of the accident.
Mar 12, 2019, 11:47 am
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European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) bans all 737-8 MAX aircraft:
Mar 12, 2019, 12:01 pm
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European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) bans all 737-8 MAX aircraft:
Mar 12, 2019, 12:03 pm
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Surely the liability lawyers are getting involved in these corporate boardroom discussions at this point. With these planes officially grounded almost everywhere except for North American carriers, what kind of exponential liability exposure awaits the carrier who continues to fly the plane?
Mar 12, 2019, 12:18 pm
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Surely the liability lawyers are getting involved in these corporate boardroom discussions at this point. With these planes officially grounded almost everywhere except for North American carriers, what kind of exponential liability exposure awaits the carrier who continues to fly the plane?
Concerned flyers should consider calling/emailing/facebooking Southwest with their opinions.
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Mar 12, 2019, 12:56 pm
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Surely the liability lawyers are getting involved in these corporate boardroom discussions at this point. With these planes officially grounded almost everywhere except for North American carriers, what kind of exponential liability exposure awaits the carrier who continues to fly the plane?
The explanation of 'until we know the exact cause of the crash, we deem these aircraft safe' is losing altitude. I get that a herd instinct and fear factors are in play. Could be pilot learning curve issue, could be design flaw.
But a rattled public isn't hindered by a 45-day breather.
Mar 12, 2019, 1:24 pm
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After the first crash, I wasn't concerned. But, two similar incidents within 6 - 8 months where the aircraft falls out of the sky upon takeoff? I get the abundance of caution on not jumping to conclusions, but what are the odds these two are completely unrelated? We're not betting money here, but lives.
Until we figure things out, of course they should be grounded.
Until we figure things out, of course they should be grounded.
Mar 12, 2019, 1:29 pm
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Have bans been imposed by Japan and (South) Korea?
Also, can we assume that Hong Kong, Macau and certainly Taiwan are not covered by the mainland China grounding, which IIRC covered mainland Chinese carriers and not airspace.
Also, can we assume that Hong Kong, Macau and certainly Taiwan are not covered by the mainland China grounding, which IIRC covered mainland Chinese carriers and not airspace.
Mar 12, 2019, 1:35 pm
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Are there Max operators flying into Japan, S Korea, etc that aren't already affected by bans from China, Singapore, etc?
Mar 12, 2019, 1:47 pm
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I've been on hold from two phones to the A-List hotline for nearly an hour... using both the 'traveling domestic' and 'traveling international' option.
Folks must be calling Southwest by the thousand to cancel or move flights.
My prior longest max hold time to the A-List line has been 2 minutes.
Folks must be calling Southwest by the thousand to cancel or move flights.
My prior longest max hold time to the A-List line has been 2 minutes.
Mar 12, 2019, 1:48 pm
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So I've wanted to say this, but have held off. Am I the only person who is a little freaked out that WN Maintenance has been rather upset the past few weeks?
Usually I assume such things are normal union posturing, but maybe this is something different.
Ultimately we all put our fates in the hands of WN Pilots who are, by most accounts, the safest in the business.
Usually I assume such things are normal union posturing, but maybe this is something different.
Ultimately we all put our fates in the hands of WN Pilots who are, by most accounts, the safest in the business.