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#1351
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Sweden has seen the vast majority of those fatally infected come from nursing homes. "Once we know how the virus got into our elderly care facilities, the government can make recommendations and take measures to try to stop that, because that is the biggest tragedy of all this, that it has gotten into the nursing homes," Olofsdotter told NPR.
Question- why is it so important for you to spread CV fear?! (Is the main demographic of FT really old, sick people over the age of 65?! Maybe that explains all the irrationality around here?!)
#1352
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Recent (May 20) numbers from the CDC:.
tl;dr: If you're under 65, and especially if you're healthy- wait for it- your fatality chances are low, if you're even infected in the first place:
tl;dr: If you're under 65, and especially if you're healthy- wait for it- your fatality chances are low, if you're even infected in the first place:
#1353
Join Date: Mar 2011
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For those with an open mind:
New studies support mask wearing. The benefit may be variable, and social distancing combined with hand washing are still the best practices, but masks are especially valuable when those things aren't possible. Like in the enclosed, non-socially distanced space of an airplane.
Ultimately, it remains a a small personal effort that is effective at reducing virus transmission.
Full article here. A very thoughtful dissection of the mask issue, including caveats regarding study methods currently being applied and limitations due to the pandemic, backed up with referenced sources.
New studies support mask wearing. The benefit may be variable, and social distancing combined with hand washing are still the best practices, but masks are especially valuable when those things aren't possible. Like in the enclosed, non-socially distanced space of an airplane.
Ultimately, it remains a a small personal effort that is effective at reducing virus transmission.
Spate of new research supports wearing masks to control coronavirus spread
Four months of discord about the coronavirus pandemic have transformed the cloth mask into a potent political symbol, touted by Democrats as a key part of communal responsibility, labeled by some GOP leaders as a sign of government overreach and as a scarlet letter pinned on the weak.
But as partisan interests sew symbolism and controversy into masks, scientists are trying to provide answers about how effectively those masks prevent transmission of the novel coronavirus, and what role they should play in efforts to limit its spread.
Several new studies published this month support wearing masks to curb the transmission of the virus. The broadest, a review funded by the World Health Organization and published in the journal Lancet, concluded that data from 172 observational studies indicate wearing face masks reduces the risk of coronavirus infection.
Four months of discord about the coronavirus pandemic have transformed the cloth mask into a potent political symbol, touted by Democrats as a key part of communal responsibility, labeled by some GOP leaders as a sign of government overreach and as a scarlet letter pinned on the weak.
But as partisan interests sew symbolism and controversy into masks, scientists are trying to provide answers about how effectively those masks prevent transmission of the novel coronavirus, and what role they should play in efforts to limit its spread.
Several new studies published this month support wearing masks to curb the transmission of the virus. The broadest, a review funded by the World Health Organization and published in the journal Lancet, concluded that data from 172 observational studies indicate wearing face masks reduces the risk of coronavirus infection.
#1354
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Possible Change in Mask Policy While Flying
Okay - have not seen anything specific from WN, but this article is upping the battle.
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/a...ers/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/a...ers/index.html
#1355
Join Date: Dec 2015
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This makes a lot of sense. There is a general recommendation from the CDC and governmental bodies to wear one now, so mandating it on a plane where you'll nearly always be closer than 6' to someone is a good idea.
#1356
Join Date: Jul 2013
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With open seating it may be difficult to identify an uncoperative passenger who does not comply.
I guess they could try to have the passenger arrested for failing to comply with crew member instructions, but I'm not sure that applies where there is no federal regulation in place.
I guess they could try to have the passenger arrested for failing to comply with crew member instructions, but I'm not sure that applies where there is no federal regulation in place.
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With open seating it may be difficult to identify an uncoperative passenger who does not comply.
I guess they could try to have the passenger arrested for failing to comply with crew member instructions, but I'm not sure that applies where there is no federal regulation in place.
I guess they could try to have the passenger arrested for failing to comply with crew member instructions, but I'm not sure that applies where there is no federal regulation in place.
#1358
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#1359
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Admittedly instructing passengers to wear masks is an important precaution but it falls outside of the federal regulations, since there is no regulation regarding face coverings and so such instructions might not be covered by the federal statute, especially if the passenger merely refuses to comply and does not otherwise interfere with the crew,.
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I flew LAX-OAK this evening. While there were announcements in the boarding area and onboard that passengers are required to wear masks the entire flight, there were no attempts at enforcement that I could see. That said, compliance level was pretty high - probably in the 80% plus range. Much better than PHX-OAK last week.
#1363
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Now that they let you keep your boarding passes, there's an easy workaround: once the sociopath is off the plane, tell everyone else "please let us see your boarding passes so we know who not to ban."
#1364
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simply not true and easily solved. Passenger is not wearing mask, the FA can ask for ID of that pax. Failure to comply would be a serious violation and then subject to further penalty. And before anyone says you don’t have to show your ID on a plane, that too is simply false and misinformed.
#1365
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Blue Ridge, GA
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simply not true and easily solved. Passenger is not wearing mask, the FA can ask for ID of that pax. Failure to comply would be a serious violation and then subject to further penalty. And before anyone says you don’t have to show your ID on a plane, that too is simply false and misinformed.
I don't see that going well.