The road to COVID-19 reopen starts
Jul 23, 2021, 10:19 pm
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Jul 24, 2021, 3:10 pm
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This article advocates for a common sense approach to dealing with Covid: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...-19-infections
I can only hope that the decision makers will eventually move in this direction.
I can only hope that the decision makers will eventually move in this direction.
Jul 24, 2021, 7:11 pm
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This article advocates for a common sense approach to dealing with Covid: https://www.straitstimes.com/singapo...-19-infections
I can only hope that the decision makers will eventually move in this direction.
I can only hope that the decision makers will eventually move in this direction.
The article is more in-line with Boris Johnson's attitude towards the seniors, which Singapore disagrees with.
yesterday (SG time), another unvaccinated 83-year-old woman died of COVID-19, RIP.
Jul 25, 2021, 10:04 am
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it is unlikely as the riskiest segment of the population eligible for vaccination(age 70+) has the lowest vaccination rate, though it is improving.
The article is more in-line with Boris Johnson's attitude towards the seniors, which Singapore disagrees with.
yesterday (SG time), another unvaccinated 83-year-old woman died of COVID-19, RIP.
The article is more in-line with Boris Johnson's attitude towards the seniors, which Singapore disagrees with.
yesterday (SG time), another unvaccinated 83-year-old woman died of COVID-19, RIP.
I confess that I don't know Boris Johnson's attitude vs. Singapore's; would you mind elaborating on that also.
Do you know if the 83 year-old woman was vaccinated? Thank you!
Jul 25, 2021, 7:52 pm
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May I ask, why is that? Why is the 70+ segment the least vaccinated, when we know that they are at a 40+ times greater risk of death than the younger populations.
I confess that I don't know Boris Johnson's attitude vs. Singapore's; would you mind elaborating on that also.
Do you know if the 83 year-old woman was vaccinated? Thank you!
I confess that I don't know Boris Johnson's attitude vs. Singapore's; would you mind elaborating on that also.
Do you know if the 83 year-old woman was vaccinated? Thank you!
5. Case 64342, an 83 year-old female Singaporean, has passed away from complications due to COVID-19 infection on 24 July 2021. She resided at Bukit Merah View, and was linked to the 121 Bukit Merah View cluster. She developed symptoms on 16 June but did not seek medical attention until she was conveyed to National University Hospital on 18 June. She had not been vaccinated against COVID-19, and had a history of hypertension and hyperlipidaemia. In total, 37 have passed away from complications due to COVID-19 infection.
MoH(Singapore) releases full details about every death. And there are details of segments of population vaccinated.
https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highligh...-(25-july-2021)
As for Boris Johnson vs Singapore
UK PM Johnson dismissed COVID-19 lockdown as only elderly would die, ex-aide says
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Jul 25, 2021, 9:47 pm
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There are probably a multitude of reasons for that. The booking process was probably more challenging for the elderly (although they could still call). But now they can walk into vaccination centres without an appointment to get a shot and also can access via mobile vaccination centres and some GPs. I don't know, but I guess also maybe if you're 90 you might have be more willing to accept your ultimate mortality than someone in the 30's or 40's.
Jul 25, 2021, 11:11 pm
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One other reason which I've heard from numerous people (mainly referring to their relatives) is that the elderly are believing the rumour that PRC will only accept those vaccinated with a Chinese vaccine so are holding out for that so they can visit.
Now that you can get Sinovac here not sure what the take up in the elderly is with that as it's not officially reported as it's not part of the government programme.
Now that you can get Sinovac here not sure what the take up in the elderly is with that as it's not officially reported as it's not part of the government programme.
Jul 26, 2021, 2:35 am
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It will start by setting up travel corridors with countries or regions that have “managed COVID-19 well”, and where the infection is under control. “So fully vaccinated persons will then be able to travel to these countries or regions without needing to serve the full 14-day stay-home notice in a hotel when they return," Mr Wong said.
Depending on the risk level of the country they visit, the stay-home notice will be replaced with a "rigorous testing regime" or a seven-day isolation period at home.
This will allow vaccinated people to travel more freely, he said. “Those who are not vaccinated can still travel, but will be subject to the prevailing SHN (stay-home notice) requirements.”
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“While other countries may have come to terms with a certain level of COVID-19 cases and even deaths, this is not the choice we want to make in Singapore ... We do not want to see large numbers of COVID-19 patients in intensive care, on oxygen supplementation, let alone succumb to the virus.”
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“Vaccination is key, especially vaccination of our seniors. If many among our seniors are not vaccinated, we will continue to worry about our hospitalisation and ICU cases, as well as fatalities,” he added.
Depending on the risk level of the country they visit, the stay-home notice will be replaced with a "rigorous testing regime" or a seven-day isolation period at home.
This will allow vaccinated people to travel more freely, he said. “Those who are not vaccinated can still travel, but will be subject to the prevailing SHN (stay-home notice) requirements.”
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“While other countries may have come to terms with a certain level of COVID-19 cases and even deaths, this is not the choice we want to make in Singapore ... We do not want to see large numbers of COVID-19 patients in intensive care, on oxygen supplementation, let alone succumb to the virus.”
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“Vaccination is key, especially vaccination of our seniors. If many among our seniors are not vaccinated, we will continue to worry about our hospitalisation and ICU cases, as well as fatalities,” he added.
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news...-wong-15298016
travel to safe countries or regions without SHN or SHN in hotels is totally possible before year-end. The biggest obstacle for us is the unvaccinated seniors.
Jul 26, 2021, 6:59 am
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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...pt-2021-07-26/
Very interesting development. I hope Hong Kong will follow suit as well. I'm fully vaccinated and I'm very eager to travel to both SIN and HKG.
Very interesting development. I hope Hong Kong will follow suit as well. I'm fully vaccinated and I'm very eager to travel to both SIN and HKG.
Jul 26, 2021, 7:04 am
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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...pt-2021-07-26/
Very interesting development. I hope Hong Kong will follow suit as well. I'm fully vaccinated and I'm very eager to travel to both SIN and HKG.
Very interesting development. I hope Hong Kong will follow suit as well. I'm fully vaccinated and I'm very eager to travel to both SIN and HKG.
Jul 26, 2021, 8:45 pm
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While I'm sure the UK will fall into the safe category, it's not somewhere I want to travel to for a holiday, especially in the winter.
Jul 26, 2021, 9:08 pm
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The problem I'm struggling with is trying to determine which countries/regions will fall into this "safe" category... I'm hoping on Australia and NZ extending their bubble to include Singapore.
While I'm sure the UK will fall into the safe category, it's not somewhere I want to travel to for a holiday, especially in the winter.
While I'm sure the UK will fall into the safe category, it's not somewhere I want to travel to for a holiday, especially in the winter.
Recent news claimed that SIA has given up travel bubble between Singapore and Australia.
I hope Japan will open to Singapore next spring.
i feel it’s kind of paradox. Singapore endemic management will not report active case number. Ain’t other countries with similar vaccination rate do the same, stop reporting active case number? How would Singapore know other countries new case number then, since the other countries will not know Singapore number, either.
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Jul 26, 2021, 9:21 pm
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i feel it’s kind of paradox. Singapore endemic management will not report active case number. Ain’t other countries with similar vaccination rate do the same, stop reporting active case number? How would Singapore know whether other countries new case number then, since the other countries will not know Singapore number, either.
Singapore I'm sure will not want to be part of the initial experiment and will continue to watch from the wings to see how things are going on in the rest of the world before making the move.
With UK/Europe and US "opening" up they are very good test beds to observe.
Jul 26, 2021, 9:44 pm
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This is the whole aim to live with Covid-19 as an endemic by judging countries safety due to their vaccination percentages.
Singapore I'm sure will not want to be part of the initial experiment and will continue to watch from the wings to see how things are going on in the rest of the world before making the move.
With UK/Europe and US "opening" up they are very good test beds to observe.
Singapore I'm sure will not want to be part of the initial experiment and will continue to watch from the wings to see how things are going on in the rest of the world before making the move.
With UK/Europe and US "opening" up they are very good test beds to observe.
I feel that Singapore and other countries reporting such number is probably just to drive more people to vaccinate.
Imagine that Singapore just reports 1 death in one month and less than 20 serious cases in ICU or requiring Oxygen Supplementation.
For example, I don't really care about the dengue reporting today. How many people died or in hospital, or how many clusters?
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