Hi everyone.

First of all, I'd like to let everyone know that TGV Air is now named "" on AF website.... TGV Air was known to everyone, then they changed it to train + air (not to be mistaken with Air & Rail ), now it is .

When will they decided for good how TGV Air must be named?

Now my question:

- several years ago, I used to travel often with TGV Air tickets. Flying economy, the train segment was in 2nd class. AF would not sell 1st class unless you buy C or J tickets.

What was possible though, was to go to the train station and pay for an upgrade (around 50 € in my case).

I have just booked a ticket...

Do you know if there is anything new in this regard?

I will enquire but am really busy right now and have no time to go to the train station.

Thank you.

I took a Y segment like this last year (ZYR-CDG). It was in a first-class carriage. I believe all tickets with an AF flight bumber are in the same, dedicated, 1st class carriage, and there would be no obvious benefit to the upgrade. I will double my sample tomorrow, but others will know much more.

Funny, because on 21/01, they published a news where they still call it train+air. Go figure
https://www.afkl.biz/trade/s/news-de...=fr&country=FR

ZYR-CDG is not TGV-Air. This is a different product. It replaces a defunct air link between CDG and BRU, with dedicated 1st class carriage and is called Air & Rail.

TGV-Air is a mix of TGV segment (with AF flight number) from or to cities around France mixed with a flight to or from CDG.

Other airlines offer this product as well.

I know it is confusing, hence my warning which you did not catch.

Ah I am sorry! The naming melts my brain...

I have a lot of issues with how these train+plane combos are implemented, which is why I don't buy them even though I like the concept, and the way they usually split classes is one of the main ones. Business class on a plane vs first class on a train are very different beasts in terms of value for money - first class on a train costs much less and delivers much better benefits, so the concept of "economy ticket = second class on a train" never worked for me. I always book first class on trains, while I rarely book business class on planes within Europe. Yet most products just assume that if you don't want to buy a J ticket, you're okay with the second class on trains. Good to know that AFKL got it right!

Interesting. I too almost always buy first-class rail but rarely Euro J (see about half the posts on this forum; only if price justifies XP). If the ZYR product is SNCF first, then I am not sold. Better seat, but not even a glass of water!

Eurostar gave me three (cold) courses and wine AMS-ZWE just before Christmas.

I had a choice between the two (using awards). Either KL in the front cabin to AMS or AF to CDG (both just under LONG3 threshhold,not that we'd get any XP) and decided better to fly AF.

What did AFKL get right?

The only reason I buy TGV Air combo tickets, is that you are protected in case of delay of the train (or plane). The other day, I was travelling to Paris and all trains were experiencing 2 hour + delays.

People around me who had bought a separate ticket to CDG were realising one after the other, that they were going to miss their flight and lose their ticket.

However, same as you, I always buy 1st class train ticket and Y in Europe.

Hence my initial post: does anyone here have recent experience of upgrading the train segment of a TGV Air ticket?

That tickets to/from Belgium supposedly include 1st class even with Y.

Which I don't think is necessarily true, at least in case of KL. I ended up not taking, but I'm pretty sure my AMS-ZWE was in 2nd after an Y connection.


As per 1st and service, yes - no service in 1st is standard across continental Europe, in contrast to the UK. I'm fine with it, prices are much more realistic on the continent and most long distance trains have some form of onboard service for pay.

You too are mixing up one service with the other.

CDG/ZYR/CDG is a unique AF service named Air & Rail, with a dedicated counter in both stations and a dedicated 1st class carriage irrespective of class of travel in the air, together with luggage service (including luggage check-in at ZYR with transfers to the connecting flight in CDG).

I am not familiar with AMS/ZWE service, but it looks like TGV-Air (now ) product in France: no dedicated carriage, pax seated all over the train, both in 1st and 2nd class depending on class of service in the air. Am I correct?

• The purpose of my creating this thread is to ask if anyone has recent experience with upgrading the train segment of a TGV-Air () ticket and share the info with everyone.

Yeah, but it's not me who's mixing things, but the810

I just enquired at the train station on my way to CDG with an Access Rail ticket.

Upgrading the train segment to 1st class is NOT possible any longer.😡

The only way is to buy a 1st class train ticket. They said the airlines are now managing the system independently from SNCF so they cannot touch the ticket.

Today is Saturday, the train is empty, so a first class ticket was only 58 � last night. I bought it.

But on other days, it can be much more. It sucks to have to buy two tickets for the same trip, doesn't it?

Why doesn't AF offer the choice of 1st or 2nd class for the rail portion?

Indeed. Have you sent in feedback or talked to the PSL about this?