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Old Dec 20, 2017 | 2:35 am
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Originally Posted by christep
Unless the processing time of Apple Pay can be as fast as Octopus then this would be a nightmare for the MTR system. It seems to me, by observation, that when people make Apple Pay transactions they are far, far slower than Octopus. The MTR system would a horrendous mess if everyone had to wait even an extra 3 seconds to get through the ticket barriers!
They're as slow as chip transactions. Acquirers are scared shxtless over being scammed.

Wonder who are they scared of? I have my guesses.

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That's why with HK local Samsung Pay you can add an Octopus, so you can get the best of both world!
So no help for tourists?

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For London, from my personal understanding, is that the number of tourist in town causing huge issues with Oyster Card that they decide it's enough, and go for Visa / Master solution instead.
I tried Oyster pre-Apple Pay. I can card for an Oyster and receive a refund in cash. What's the problem with that?
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Old Dec 20, 2017 | 2:56 am
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Originally Posted by percysmith
I can card for an Oyster and receive a refund in cash. What's the problem with that?
Seriously? That's free unlimited miles right there unless I'm missing something obvious!
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Old Dec 20, 2017 | 3:01 am
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I forgot was I debited any fees. I didn't notice it if yes.

Getting rid of GBP will be my biggest problem. I withdrew GBP200 cash too to cover a two day trip only to discover I didn't need cash for *anything*. Ended up part paying for a Michelin-starred dinner partly with cash and part with card just to get rid of it.
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Old Dec 20, 2017 | 3:31 am
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Way off topic here, but I see that Oyster will refund into a (presumably) UK bank account as well as in cash. I appear to be able to order a card online with a credit card, then refund it online to a bank account.

I must be missing something obvious here?
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Old Dec 20, 2017 | 4:09 am
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If you have less then GBP10 you can instant refund https://www.visitlondon.com/travelle...hUEFJhLvYuJ.97 . If you have more you have to do it by post. OK this may stop our fellow FTers over there turning Tube stations into US Mint.
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Old Dec 20, 2017 | 8:45 am
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Originally Posted by christep
Seriously? That's free unlimited miles right there unless I'm missing something obvious!
Originally Posted by percysmith
If you have less then GBP10 you can instant refund https://www.visitlondon.com/travelle...hUEFJhLvYuJ.97 . If you have more you have to do it by post. OK this may stop our fellow FTers over there turning Tube stations into US Mint.

Tried that. After buying 4th Oyster it was frozen and card was blacklisted. Lost 15.

Saw a blog comment from someone else who tried, and they got their 15 back after an hour on the phone and sending bank statements.

I figured out another way to do it but it's not worth the time spent, unless you are loitering around a station with nothing to do. I'm not telling.
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Old Dec 20, 2017 | 12:56 pm
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Originally Posted by christep
You may be surprised to know that HK ones do as well! I get miles on my Octopus card use through auto-reloading from my credit card.
But most people load with cash?

When I last visited HK a couple of years ago, we got into a discussion here about how HK and China are more of a cash culture.

However as an affluent city, smart phone use is pervasive and mobile payments allow you to do more secure credit card transactions for those who want to use them and minimizes the need to carry cash.

If you lose an Octopus Card with some cash loaded, can that card be deactivated and the remaining credit transferred to a new card? Of course credit card banks will not impose liability for transactions made after a card is reported lost or stolen.
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Old Dec 20, 2017 | 4:54 pm
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Originally Posted by wco81
If you lose an Octopus Card with some cash loaded, can that card be deactivated and the remaining credit transferred to a new card? Of course credit card banks will not impose liability for transactions made after a card is reported lost or stolen.
Yes (still responsible for transactions within 6 hours hence) (you can only recharge US$70 a day)
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Old Dec 20, 2017 | 5:01 pm
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Originally Posted by DragonSoul
Can't remember the last time I used my AMEX in a Hong Kong store.
Perhaps not in stores, but I always use AMEX at hotels
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Old Dec 20, 2017 | 10:36 pm
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In case of loss you can only block a personalized Octopus card, like the automatic-refill card you get through your bank. Ordinary Octopus cards you need to treat like cash.

I'm not sure how the blocking works, since many Octopus paypoints -- like those on buses -- are offline. Maybe they periodically upload a blacklist of bad numbers to those terminals?
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Old Dec 22, 2017 | 4:48 am
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Back to the original topic, just beware that a large number of HK merchants who take cards apply DCC with no notice at all - so paying with a card can cost rather more than you are expecting.
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Old Dec 22, 2017 | 6:16 am
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Originally Posted by lhrsfo
Back to the original topic, just beware that a large number of HK merchants who take cards apply DCC with no notice at all - so paying with a card can cost rather more than you are expecting.
Any examples? Please add to https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cred...on-dcc-24.html , monitoring that thread too
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Old Dec 31, 2017 | 7:56 pm
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Originally Posted by percysmith
Any examples? Please add to https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cred...on-dcc-24.html , monitoring that thread too
PUTIEN 莆田 at Lee Theatre Plaza. using a Diners Club (MasterCard). Waitress took the card, came back with a printed slip with the total in CAD. I asked why it is in CAD and she gave some BS explanation trying to get me to sign.

That's why I use AMEX as much as possible. Never had DCC issue. Most places I shop and eat at take it, if they take credit cards at all. But in general, yes, AMEX is less accepted.
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Old Dec 31, 2017 | 8:24 pm
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Originally Posted by beep88
PUTIEN 莆田 at Lee Theatre Plaza. using a Diners Club (MasterCard). Waitress took the card, came back with a printed slip with the total in CAD. I asked why it is in CAD and she gave some BS explanation trying to get me to sign.

That's why I use AMEX as much as possible. Never had DCC issue. Most places I shop and eat at take it, if they take credit cards at all. But in general, yes, AMEX is less accepted.
Linked to https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/cred...l#post29234877

How did you deal with the Putien slip? If you didn't put up a fight and signed it, you still have a chargeback right with Diners Canada for a Reason Code 4846 chargeback - see the wiki in the DCC thread.
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Old Dec 31, 2017 | 9:25 pm
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NM, got it backwards.

If you insisted she re-do it in HKD, would she have complied?
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