New waitlist requests for R/GPUs/miles accepted until 24 before departure (Upgrades)
#136



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It's not supposed to be, agreed. It is absolutely not what is written on the site, and not what was on my email at T-24 last night.
But that's the point. I was told by UA employees, supervisors, and the IT desk they called that it is what is actually happening. And telling the customers one thing while actually doing another IS the policy.
My experience today, and that of others on this and other threads confirms this.
But that's the point. I was told by UA employees, supervisors, and the IT desk they called that it is what is actually happening. And telling the customers one thing while actually doing another IS the policy.
My experience today, and that of others on this and other threads confirms this.
"Priority within 24 hours
New waitlist requests for MileagePlus Upgrade Awards, Regional Premier Upgrades, and Global Premier Upgrades can be made until 24 hours prior to departure. At 24 hours from departure, waitlists will expire and automatic processing of upgrades, per the priority listed above, will continue. As customers check in, they will be placed on an airport upgrade standby list. This standby list will clear starting at two hours prior to departure, based on Premier status, fare class and time of check-in."
Not looking forward to defending my uncleared upgrade tomorrow. I can handle advertised cuts in benefits, but I really can't handle this toxic mix of lies and ineptitude in unknown proportions, and I'm afraid I'm seeing a firm trajectory starting with the membership card fiasco earlier this year.
#137
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Sitting at SFO right now after spending 45 minutes checking in with kind-hearted but exhausted UA INTL agents.
They made phone calls to higher ups, they called for a supervisor, they called HQ. Bottom line: upgradable fares using SWU that do not clear 24 hours before departure ARE NOT moved to the gate upgrade standby list at check-in. If you don't clear before check-in opens, you WILL NOT be given the opportunity to clear later.
The ONLY waitlisted passengers that are being moved to the gate upgrade waitlist are MILES + MONEY.
In addition, if the check-in counter puts you on the waitlist, they will REMOVE you.
Despite the fact that we are told we will be moved to the waitlist, it is deliberately not happening. In my case, I received an email and confirmed by telephone that all I had to do was check in and I would get on the standby list to get my shot.
They KNOW we are being told otherwise. But the reality is not what has been advertised and put into writing.
UA Insider, we need answers on this.
In my case, I paid for an upgradable W fare and they took my SWU from my account in DECEMBER.
This is a dealbreaker for me.
They made phone calls to higher ups, they called for a supervisor, they called HQ. Bottom line: upgradable fares using SWU that do not clear 24 hours before departure ARE NOT moved to the gate upgrade standby list at check-in. If you don't clear before check-in opens, you WILL NOT be given the opportunity to clear later.
The ONLY waitlisted passengers that are being moved to the gate upgrade waitlist are MILES + MONEY.
In addition, if the check-in counter puts you on the waitlist, they will REMOVE you.
Despite the fact that we are told we will be moved to the waitlist, it is deliberately not happening. In my case, I received an email and confirmed by telephone that all I had to do was check in and I would get on the standby list to get my shot.
They KNOW we are being told otherwise. But the reality is not what has been advertised and put into writing.
UA Insider, we need answers on this.
In my case, I paid for an upgradable W fare and they took my SWU from my account in DECEMBER.
This is a dealbreaker for me.
To offer a bit of background, I think where the confusion has come into play is that, previously United customers could request to upgrade using a systemwide or regional upgrade on the spot, at the airport. Now, if space is not available, these requests must be made at least 24 hours in advance either online or over the phone. I'm afraid some took this to mean that being put on the upgrade standby list at the airport was no longer possible. This is an incorrect interpretation. So long as youve redeemed the mileage, RPU or GPU in advance, then you should be on the standby list. We're working to get this message re-communicated.
Shannon
#138
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Hi mghorton, thanks for bringing this to our attention. I want to ensure you, and anyone else who may hear this, that this is absolutely not the case. I'm sorry you were misadvised. If you redeem a mileage upgrade award, Regional Premier Upgrade (RPU) or Global Premier Upgrade (GPU) and dont clear the waitlist within 24 hours of your flight, the system will automatically place you on the upgrade standby list when you check-in. We are in process of getting some good information into the hands of our co-workers to ensure that this process is understood.
To offer a bit of background, I think where the confusion has come into play is that, previously United customers could request to upgrade using a systemwide or regional upgrade on the spot, at the airport. Now, if space is not available, these requests must be made at least 24 hours in advance either online or over the phone. I'm afraid some took this to mean that being put on the upgrade standby list at the airport was no longer possible. This is an incorrect interpretation. So long as youve redeemed the mileage, RPU or GPU in advance, then you should be on the standby list. We're working to get this message re-communicated.
Shannon
To offer a bit of background, I think where the confusion has come into play is that, previously United customers could request to upgrade using a systemwide or regional upgrade on the spot, at the airport. Now, if space is not available, these requests must be made at least 24 hours in advance either online or over the phone. I'm afraid some took this to mean that being put on the upgrade standby list at the airport was no longer possible. This is an incorrect interpretation. So long as youve redeemed the mileage, RPU or GPU in advance, then you should be on the standby list. We're working to get this message re-communicated.
Shannon
#139


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Hi mghorton, thanks for bringing this to our attention. I want to ensure you, and anyone else who may hear this, that this is absolutely not the case. I'm sorry you were misadvised. If you redeem a mileage upgrade award, Regional Premier Upgrade (RPU) or Global Premier Upgrade (GPU) and dont clear the waitlist within 24 hours of your flight, the system will automatically place you on the upgrade standby list when you check-in. We are in process of getting some good information into the hands of our co-workers to ensure that this process is understood.
To offer a bit of background, I think where the confusion has come into play is that, previously United customers could request to upgrade using a systemwide or regional upgrade on the spot, at the airport. Now, if space is not available, these requests must be made at least 24 hours in advance either online or over the phone. I'm afraid some took this to mean that being put on the upgrade standby list at the airport was no longer possible. This is an incorrect interpretation. So long as youve redeemed the mileage, RPU or GPU in advance, then you should be on the standby list. We're working to get this message re-communicated.
Shannon
To offer a bit of background, I think where the confusion has come into play is that, previously United customers could request to upgrade using a systemwide or regional upgrade on the spot, at the airport. Now, if space is not available, these requests must be made at least 24 hours in advance either online or over the phone. I'm afraid some took this to mean that being put on the upgrade standby list at the airport was no longer possible. This is an incorrect interpretation. So long as youve redeemed the mileage, RPU or GPU in advance, then you should be on the standby list. We're working to get this message re-communicated.
Shannon
Thanks - that's good to hear.
But could you possibly clarify why the new United has chosen to go to a more restrictive policy from the previous ability to apply upgrade requests on the spot and whether work is in process to go back to the more customer-friendly approach?
Thanks
#140
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Shannon, Thanks - that's good to hear. But could you possibly clarify why the new United has chosen to go to a more restrictive policy from the previous ability to apply upgrade requests on the spot and whether work is in process to go back to the more customer-friendly approach? Thanks
Hi halls120 and pagotto, your both right. Previously, on the United side, there was a good process for this. All in all its much more a systems constraint than it is a business decision. The short answer is, we simply dont have the right tools and process in place to support this at the moment. Thats not to say that we dont want to get there though.
Shannon
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Hi halls120 and pagotto, your both right. Previously, on the United side, there was a good process for this. All in all its much more a systems constraint than it is a business decision. The short answer is, we simply dont have the right tools and process in place to support this at the moment. Thats not to say that we dont want to get there though.
Shannon
Shannon
#142


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I am only going by my experience PMUA/PMCO.
In January, I was booked DTW-SFO via ORD UA & upgraded using my CR1.
Night before UA cancelled first morning flight DTW-ORD due to weather conditions in ORD that evening.
UA1K desk protected me on CO , I recall UA agent saying they could not put me on upgrade waitlist within the 24 hour window using my CR1,as CO system requires Upgrade space has to be available within the 24 hour window.
#143


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I am fine with the 24 hour policy, and can definitely live with the change. However, the miscommunication on this appears to be rampant.
I talked to a 1K at IAD today who claimed they weren't even automatically added to the UG list. UA employees, as one personally claimed to me, said their biggest frustration is that they don't know how to add someone to the upgrade list.
So from what I can see, the problems are
A) Several pax are not being added automatically to the ug standby list, regardless of instrument
B) Some agents claim they don't know how to add ,some agents claim they can't.
I really hope this gets fixed soon. I almost gave the pax my F seat, felt bad for her. Told her to email...
I talked to a 1K at IAD today who claimed they weren't even automatically added to the UG list. UA employees, as one personally claimed to me, said their biggest frustration is that they don't know how to add someone to the upgrade list.
So from what I can see, the problems are
A) Several pax are not being added automatically to the ug standby list, regardless of instrument
B) Some agents claim they don't know how to add ,some agents claim they can't.
I really hope this gets fixed soon. I almost gave the pax my F seat, felt bad for her. Told her to email...
#144
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I just think this is another way gets to try to sell seats at the last minute.
#145
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Now, if six months out we still can't use instruments within 24 hours, then it becomes a policy choice, not a systems limitation.
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Hi halls120 and pagotto, your both right. Previously, on the United side, there was a good process for this. All in all its much more a systems constraint than it is a business decision. The short answer is, we simply dont have the right tools and process in place to support this at the moment. Thats not to say that we dont want to get there though.
Shannon
Shannon
Should anyone run into confusion is there a sonic code we could reference to help the agents with sorting out the upgrades at the airport?
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Shannon, Thanks - that's good to hear. But could you possibly clarify why the new United has chosen to go to a more restrictive policy from the previous ability to apply upgrade requests on the spot and whether work is in process to go back to the more customer-friendly approach? Thanks
Hi halls120 and pagotto, your both right. Previously, on the United side, there was a good process for this. All in all it’s much more a systems constraint than it is a business decision. The short answer is, we simply don’t have the right tools and process in place to support this at the moment. That’s not to say that we don’t want to get there though.
Shannon
#148


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A possible temporary solution?
Why not allow GAs to add people to the Upgrade Standby List and then call MileagePlus to have the GPU/RPU pulled?
Maybe that's too nightmarish.
Maybe that's too nightmarish.
#149




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Shannon, two questions:
1. If there is confirmed R space available, then can the upgrade be done on the spot at the gate?
2. For people who buy their tickets withing 24 hours - often at high fares - this is a big issue if they cannot be added to the upgrade list. Are there plans to fix this?
1. If there is confirmed R space available, then can the upgrade be done on the spot at the gate?
2. For people who buy their tickets withing 24 hours - often at high fares - this is a big issue if they cannot be added to the upgrade list. Are there plans to fix this?
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