SAS to face Ryainair at CPH starting in March 2015
Jul 3, 2015, 3:37 am
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Just like any other competition, I think that it is healthy that FR gets challenged in their interpretation of European laws. Maybe FR is right, maybe they are not. But someone does need to challenge them, as the current interpretation is wholly FR's. Should staff employed in Denmark, working based in Denmark, living in Denmark only be governed by Irish law?
If you want intra-Europe competition, OSL could do with an airline like Air Berlin. More aggressive pricing for the same economy product (if not better due to free drinks/snack), reliable, little nonsense and opportunity to earn OW points/status.
DY long haul doesn't improve service, doesn't improve product, unreliable, no alliance association, premium service is equally or more expensive than real airlines and destinations like OAK and FLL are questionable. Not the kind of competition that is in your interest.
DY long haul doesn't improve service, doesn't improve product, unreliable, no alliance association, premium service is equally or more expensive than real airlines and destinations like OAK and FLL are questionable. Not the kind of competition that is in your interest.
For intra-Europe, I'm still hoping that a real low cost carrier will start flying into Norway (apart from privately owned Torp and Rygge), but it seems that Avinor is keeping them away. AirBerlin I've flown in the past. Decent product for a decent price, but financially so unstable that I seriously expect them to file for bankruptcy every day now. On the other hand, I've been doing so for a few years now. And... they don't fly to Norway anymore, I believe (or significantly reduced the schedule). They had a few flights between OSL and TXL for a few weeks.
Jul 3, 2015, 4:06 am
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The closest example is shipping, but there are specific laws covering the setup for shipping, and they are specific to shipping, and aviation does not fall under them.
The main reason Björn K want NAI, is not just Irish working conditions. It is access to EU open skies agreements and bilaterals that Norway is not part of.
Jul 4, 2015, 9:49 am
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While the legal ground for the AOC, route permissions,etc. are Irish, and on clear legal ground. The question is whether aircraft based in Denmark with Danish based crews should be employed under Irish or Danish conditions and labour law. There is actually no clear legal definition nor precedence for that. FR claims the work ground is Irish, the union claims Danish. Legally it is still a question mark.
The closest example is shipping, but there are specific laws covering the setup for shipping, and they are specific to shipping, and aviation does not fall under them.
The main reason Björn K want NAI, is not just Irish working conditions. It is access to EU open skies agreements and bilaterals that Norway is not part of.
The closest example is shipping, but there are specific laws covering the setup for shipping, and they are specific to shipping, and aviation does not fall under them.
The main reason Björn K want NAI, is not just Irish working conditions. It is access to EU open skies agreements and bilaterals that Norway is not part of.
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/..._states_en.htm
Jul 4, 2015, 9:55 am
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My worst flight of all time was actually with an older KL 736 with a seat pitch of 28" with very uncomfortable, thick and worn out seats. They got rid of the plane about one year later. It was even much worse than FR, no doubt.
Furthermore, they stopped handing out the dried out sandwiches without butter or topping. I now had a bag of nachos and a drink of choice. Which is a general improvement. Plus that it's much better than what SK offers in Y.
Jul 4, 2015, 10:04 am
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Bjørn could have chosen dozens of other countries, but chose Ireland due to the work conditions. Which is why you now have full Thai crew on Bjørn long haul. Plus that I may be a bit biased now, as those work conditions and the attack by other airlines on this construction are the main things seen in the media about this...
Jul 4, 2015, 5:54 pm
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I am not so sure you are correct about Norway in this matter at the current time, for (unless I am mistaken) the following suggests that Norway and Iceland were included in the EU Open Skies agreement under an additional protocol:
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/..._states_en.htm
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/..._states_en.htm
Jul 4, 2015, 6:01 pm
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That's interesting. for what I know, Norway and a few more other countries are added in an appendix of Open Skies.
Bjørn could have chosen dozens of other countries, but chose Ireland due to the work conditions. Which is why you now have full Thai crew on Bjørn long haul. Plus that I may be a bit biased now, as those work conditions and the attack by other airlines on this construction are the main things seen in the media about this...
Bjørn could have chosen dozens of other countries, but chose Ireland due to the work conditions. Which is why you now have full Thai crew on Bjørn long haul. Plus that I may be a bit biased now, as those work conditions and the attack by other airlines on this construction are the main things seen in the media about this...
And yes Norway is on the US agreement, which is why NAS is already running to the US, but the South American routes they have been talking about would require EU location. For Now.
Jul 5, 2015, 3:14 pm
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My bad for forgetting that, thanks.
Wouldn't Norway be able to get the EU to back up Norway's getting access to other EU open skies agreements by way of additional protocol agreements in much the same way? I guess it could take more time to get those additional protocol agreements for other EU open skies agreements, but are there any particular countries that would have sour dealings with Norway but be fine with the EU?
Wouldn't Norway be able to get the EU to back up Norway's getting access to other EU open skies agreements by way of additional protocol agreements in much the same way? I guess it could take more time to get those additional protocol agreements for other EU open skies agreements, but are there any particular countries that would have sour dealings with Norway but be fine with the EU?
Jul 5, 2015, 4:47 pm
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My bad for forgetting that, thanks.
Wouldn't Norway be able to get the EU to back up Norway's getting access to other EU open skies agreements by way of additional protocol agreements in much the same way? I guess it could take more time to get those additional protocol agreements for other EU open skies agreements, but are there any particular countries that would have sour dealings with Norway but be fine with the EU?
Wouldn't Norway be able to get the EU to back up Norway's getting access to other EU open skies agreements by way of additional protocol agreements in much the same way? I guess it could take more time to get those additional protocol agreements for other EU open skies agreements, but are there any particular countries that would have sour dealings with Norway but be fine with the EU?
Jul 10, 2015, 10:18 am
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According to an article in today's Sydsvenskan, Ryanair will move their CPH base to Kaunas, Lithuania.
http://www.sydsvenskan.se/ekonomi/ry...nar-kopenhamn/ (in Swedish)
Because of the conflict with the Danish union, Ryanair is planning to divert their CPH flights to Landvetter, Sturup, Halmstad, Kristianstad or Ängelholm.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article21101468.ab
http://www.sydsvenskan.se/ekonomi/ry...nar-kopenhamn/ (in Swedish)
Because of the conflict with the Danish union, Ryanair is planning to divert their CPH flights to Landvetter, Sturup, Halmstad, Kristianstad or Ängelholm.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article21101468.ab
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Jul 10, 2015, 11:20 am
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Because of the conflict with the Danish union, Ryanair is planning to divert their CPH flights to Landvetter, Sturup, Halmstad, Kristianstad or Ängelholm.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article21101468.ab
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article21101468.ab
Same goes for Ängelholm and Halmstad. Landvetter is resaonably good connected but also a world away from CPH. The only real option is Sturup - and even that is a crappy option if you want to go the Copenhagen.
Jul 10, 2015, 11:36 am
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The Swedish unions "ST" and "Unionen" are planning sympathy strikes to support their Danish union colleagues, planned to start July 18th. I don't know how much that will affect SAS.
Jul 10, 2015, 1:28 pm
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Ah, would be typcial Ryanair: Copenhagen (Kaunas).
But why Kaunas? They already have had a base there for many years, now.
Also, none of the airports, except Sturup, would be an alternative. Ans then they need to set up a proper bus or train over the Øresund. They used to have that, some years ago. I remember taking a FR flight from MMX to STN with a bus from Copenhagen city center...
@fassy: are they KIDding us?
@UA1K_no_more: isn't that what unions are about? Solidarity at the cost of others?
But why Kaunas? They already have had a base there for many years, now.
Also, none of the airports, except Sturup, would be an alternative. Ans then they need to set up a proper bus or train over the Øresund. They used to have that, some years ago. I remember taking a FR flight from MMX to STN with a bus from Copenhagen city center...
@fassy: are they KIDding us?
@UA1K_no_more: isn't that what unions are about? Solidarity at the cost of others?
Jul 10, 2015, 1:53 pm
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