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Old Jun 5, 2017, 6:48 am
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Summary of key traveller experiences and feedback on this forum since Mid-June
  • Policy statement (link) for the travel industry issued 15th June 2017
  • Refund is always an option, but very varied experiences of how quickly the refund is processed, from a few days to "still waiting". Some experiences of passengers being pressurised into taking refunds when this is not necessary if you can wait.
  • If you want to reroute from a closed destination to another middle east destination still served by QR, you might be able to do this as early as 30 days from 1st sector, although we have had reports of rerouting at 6 weeks out.
  • Where QR have to reroute onto other carriers, long haul reroutes typically onto BA, CX and TK seem to be quoted most often. In the Gulf region ME, KU, WY are quoted most often. Although RJ is a OneWorld carrier and should be a parter for QR, they are not accepting QR rerouted tickets.
  • Status of reservations for travel to affected destinations typically changes to "Unconfirmed" 7 days ahead of travel.
  • If your booking was via a 3rd party or agent you probably can't get Qatar to change the ticket until 72 hours before the first sector. 3rd parties and agents seem to be offering refunds rather than rerouting, although there has been some success if you can show them the QR rebooking policy document.
  • There has been a very mixed bag of reports of how QR are handling rebooking. Some people have no luck getting itineraries changed before 72 hours before departure, but others do. So some good advice is to always be polite but if you don't get what you want, then thank the agent for their time and HUACA (hang up and call again) - preferably after you have had a drink and have calmed down, and maybe calling a different office.

Some specific data points from other travellers:
(but there is a lot more valuable information if you can trawl back through the thread)

#753 CAI-LHR-DOH been offered as alternative for ex-CAI 4 days prior to 1st sector.
#772 KUL-DOH-LXR reroute to CAI and IST refused
#792 AUH-DOH-DPS by QR rebooked to DXB-HKG-DPS by CX
#794 Australia-DOH-HBE rebooked as DOH-BEY on QR on 2nd attempt.
#808 CAI>DOH>BOS>DOH>CAI rebooked to KRT and date change
#818 SYD-DOH-CAI changed to SYD-DOH-KWI-CAI, layovers optimed and +Qatar stopover
#830 and #840 Economy ICN-DOH-DXB rebooked onto CX ICN-HKG-DXB
#849 ex-CAI ininaries changed to ex-AMM but needed to HUACA a few times.
#856 CAI-DOH-BKK changed to FCO-DOH-BKK all on QR
#868 DFW-DOH-HBE changed to DFW-DOH-LCA all on QR 2 weeks out.
#906 Unable to get LXR-DOH-HKG-BNE rerouted until 72 hours prior
#927 CAI-DOH-BKK rebooked onto CAI-BAH-AMM on Gulf DOH-BKK (on QR) and return back to AMM
#966 DXB-DOH (award ticket) was changed to DXB-KWI-DOH on Kuwait+QR 48hrs in advance
#966 DOH-CAI (2 award tickets) were changed to DOH-BEY on QR 48 hours advance
#966 CAI-DOH-MUC (paid business) were changed to BEY-DOH-MUC 72 hours advance
#981 HKT-DOH-DWC (J/F tix) change to HKT-DOH-KWI all on QR 10 days out.
#985 ex-LXR ticket rerouted by OTA as CAI-BEY-DOH outside the 72 hr window
#1004 BKK-DOH-CAI in F rebooked as BKK-DOH-BEY in QR F, BEY-CAI in C on ME
#1005 HEL-DOH-DXB rebooked HEL-DOH-MCT on QR and MCT-DXB on Oman once ticket status went to unconfirmed.
#1057 MAN-DOH-DXB rebooked as MAN-LHR-DXB on BA (had to HUACA 3 times)
#1141 Multiple ex-CAI itineraries CAI-DOK-BKK return in J, CAI-DOH-LHR return in J, CAI-DOH-BKK single in F changed to all be ex-KWI. Had to HUACA 3 times.
#1157 LXR-DOH-NRT booked in January, flight changed to CAI-DOH-NRT
#1172 Rebooked CAI-(F)-DOH(J)-BKK to CAI-(C/ME)-BEY-(F)-DOH-(C)-BKK at 77hrs from departure
#1173 Rebooked at QR office HBE-DOH-DPS to HBE-IST-DOH-DPS on TK/TK/QR and improved timing on DOS-DPS segment

Offical guidance from QR website as of mid July:

Passengers who have purchased their tickets from Qatar Airways have the following options to refund their tickets:

For tickets booked on qatarairways.com, they can:
  1. Go to Refund requests;
  2. They can approach their nearest Qatar Airways Office; or
  3. They can call the Qatar Airways contact Centre at +974 4022 0072
For tickets booked through a Qatar Airways Office or through the Contact Centre, passengers can
  1. Contact their nearest Qatar Airways Office; or
  2. Call Qatar Airways Contact Centre on +974 4022 0072
The refund will be made to the original form of payment and the refund will be processed within 14 - 28 days.
Passengers who have purchased their Qatar Airways tickets through a Travel Agency can request their refund from the issuing Travel Agent.
Within the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kingdom of Bahrain and Egypt please use: https://refundsapp1.blueivysync.com/...er-refund.html

This is a different web form as the Qatar website is blocked from some of these countries.
For further information and FAQs please visit: http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...002369667-FAQs
What Happened

On the 6th of June flights from Qatar to Bahrain, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates (and vice versa) were suspended.

This includes all Qatar flights between Doha and Abu Dhabi, Abha, Alexandria–Borg el Arab, Bahrain, Buraydah, Cairo, Dammam, Dubai–Al Maktoum, Dubai–International, Gassim, Hofuf, Jeddah, Luxor, Madinah, Ras Al Khaimah, Riyadh, Sharjah, Tabuk, Ta'if and Yanbu.

Adding to this at 00:00 (UTC) on the 6th of June restrictions were put in place limiting flights to Doha to one particular corridor through the airspace of Bahrain. This has since been relaxed to two specific corridors through Bahrain airspace with a second corridor up the Saudi Arabia the new addition.

All other flights to other Qatar Airways destinations including the Maldives are still operating although some have delays due to the extended time required to avoid restricted airspace.

There are a couple of routes that are having to make fuel stops in Athens or Muscat but this seems to be dependent on the type of aircraft as well.

Details on the Airspace can be found here - https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/f...ain-and-egypt/

What about my Flights to other destinations?

Flights to Europe, Asia, Pacific and Norte America are operating as per schedule with minimal delays. There is no need to contact QR regarding these services.

Flights between Doha and Souto America are facing delays due to longer times and/or need for a technical stop-over. Flights to GRU and EZE are 2hr to 5hrs longer.

Flight between Doha and Africa/Middle East have longer flights times due to the airspace restrictions. Some routes like Doha to Khartoum have felt the full force of the restrictions with the flight now taking 2hr 30 mins longer than normal.

Qatar has begun to re-time flights to ensure the network continues running smoothly. Changes have been since Monday 12 June 2017, so it is advised to check your flight status and times on the Qatar website.


What about my flight to a suspended destination?

If you are due to fly in the next few days, search for alternative routings and note them down.

24 hours before your scheduled departure time, contact your LOCAL QR office, and ask for their assistance. Advise them that you have found an alternative routing which you would be willing to accept and see if they will book it for you.

If you are due to fly more than 5 days from today, try and relax. Do not panic and please do not call QR as you are blocking the lines for those flying in the next 24 hours. At this stage, Qatar is only offering options to those who are traveling in the next 24 hours.

Currently, people in the thread have suggested that Qatar is rebooking on flights through Muscat, Kuwait, Amman, Istanbul, Mumbai, Beirut, Athens and Tunis.

You can only get a refund if your booking is to one of the destinations listed at the top! (The number of people asking QR on Twitter for a refund of other flights is amazing)

What about other airlines?

Most other carriers in and out of Doha are still operating except for Air Arabia, Air Arabia Egypt, Air Cairo, EgyptAir, Emirates, Etihad, FlyDubai, Rotana Jet and Saudia.

Most other carriers are using the new restricted routes into Doha although provided the aircraft is not registered in Qatar they are allowed to use the Saudi Arabia or Egypt Airspace.

Timeline of Events:


5 June 2017

- UAE, KSA, Bahrain and Egypt withdraw licenses and close airspace
- All MS flights between CAI and DOH was zeroed out
- All GF flights between BAH and DOH closed for sale
- All QR flights between DOH and CAI closed for sale
- All QR staff travel was canceled

6 June 2017

- Airspace Restriction came into effect at 00:00 (UTC)
- All QR flights between DOH and UAE/Bahrain/KSA closed for sale
- QR flights between DOH and MLE still bookable
- QR Charters 3 aircraft from Jeddah to Muscat

7 June 2017
- QR Charters an aircraft from Jeddah to Kuwait

8 June 2017
- Qatar Airways website blocked in the UAE
- Qatar Airways offices in the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain close

11 June 2017
- Second flight corridor added along the Saudi Arabia Coast

13 June 2017
- UAE Relaxes rules allowing non Qatari registered aircraft to use their airspace to/from Qatar but they are still not allowing flights between the UAE and Qatar from any operators.
- Egypt Relaxes rules allowing non Qatari registered aircraft to use their airspace to/from Qatar. The new rules also allow for non Qatar or Egypt registered aircraft to operate flights between the two countries.

14 June 2017
- Agreement between QR and BA/A3 on reticketing passengers (link below)



Further information:
- QR Travel Alert http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...bile_site=true
- QR FAQs http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...002369667-FAQs
- QR Charter flights arranged from Jeddah KSA to Muscat Oman http://support.qatarairways.com/hc/e...Muscat-to-Doha
- QR agreement with BA & A3 to reticket their flights http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qatar...r-help-qr.html
- Political background and latest updates: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40155829
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 9:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Shareholder
Neither of these routings would face major issues. LHR-DOH would fly further east over Turkey and down through Iraq or Iran, DOH-CPT would do a wide loop over Iran to miss the UAE the track south around the horn, then back towards the African continent and down to South Africa...maybe extra hour or two. I'd wait because this is a relatively "safe" routing...unless QR shuts down completely. And since QR is a OW partner, its tickets can be endorsed to BA.
Tonight Flt 1368 JNB-DOH route entered Oman's far southwest corner then exited Oman slightly east of Muscat onto Iran. It flew over Iran heading West much further inland than I thought. Then like many other QTR flights before, it flew over the island of Qeshm, entering Iran mainland again on a directly West heading. Once it passes the island of Lavan, it should head South to DOH, like many QTR flights did earlier.

ETA is 1.5 hr delay as expected.

We are scheduled to fly MIA-DOH-CPT first week of August. I think we would be fine whether this political rift is resolved or not.

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Old Jun 5, 2017, 9:29 pm
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Let's hope there are no accidents with all this mess, this can't be good for safety.

I am very puzzled how such a blockade can happen like that this day and age. This normally would be casus belli, if any bigger countries were involved.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 9:29 pm
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I haven't read this whole thread yet, but I am flying tomorrow BKK-DOH-FCO. Will this routing be impacted by this?
No foreseeable problem.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 10:10 pm
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Originally Posted by LukeO9
No foreseeable problem.
Thanks! I just looked and they've changed the flights to Europe so they no longer fly over Saudi Arabia.

It would be handy to add other regions to the Wiki--ie Africa flights taking longer, Europe/Asia flights not affected.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 10:11 pm
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I have a flight scheduled HBE-DOH-LAX in November. Would they change it from HBE to IST or AMM at this point, or is it way too early?
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 10:13 pm
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The problem for QR is that given the Saudi blockade of road traffic, much of the supplies to the nation of Qatar are going to be affected; while Iran has offered to help through ships, that is not the same, and it takes time to set things up.

So if a small nation such as Qatar is thus affected, not very sure that the airline or airport will be the priority when it comes to keeping this running -- even though it appears that the rulers of Qatar have made a strategic decision to keep QR as a ([temporary?] non-profit?) component of the nation. That could be a big issue.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 10:18 pm
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Originally Posted by nk15
this can't be good for safety.
How do you figure?

They file flight plans using permitted waypoints and routings and fuel plan appropriately for such. What's the safety risk??

Originally Posted by FlyingFrZ
or is it way too early?
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 10:28 pm
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QR must be feeling optimistic, because their website is prepared to sell tickets one month out for routings like CAI-JED! Of course, I hope they are right. I tried CAI-JED for July 10-13, all the way just short of ticketing.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 10:29 pm
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Originally Posted by nk15
Let's hope there are no accidents with all this mess, this can't be good for safety.

I am very puzzled how such a blockade can happen like that this day and age. This normally would be casus belli, if any bigger countries were involved.
This is not a blockade. No one is seeking to stop those seeking to trade with Qatar by force. Rather, some countries have said they will no permit trade between their countries and Qatar.

For example, many countries do not trade with North Korea.

Back on topic ... wondering how this will impact the Al Mourjan lounge. Obviously, the planes can cater elsewhere but one suspects the lounge food is coming across the land border.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 10:30 pm
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How do you figure?

They file flight plans using permitted waypoints and routings and fuel plan appropriately for such. What's the safety risk??


:-:
They change their usual routings, fly to different airports, stretch flying times close to aircraft capacity, adding refueling stops, planes flying out of same corridor back to back, crews may have longer shifts or pressure to perform, any disruptions from normal flight routines would at least slightly increase flight risks and room for error, I would guess.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 10:37 pm
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Originally Posted by beduin
Logically, only Qataris.. No one will check your passport for Qatari visas..
In Qatar, Passports no longer have the resident visa affixed.
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 10:42 pm
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Is there anyone who has managed to contact the Qatar team in Riyadh? The office has been closed down apparently and the local number isn't working. Need to get my flight changed. I could try Doha but that will cost a fortune so want to try another way first!
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 10:45 pm
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Originally Posted by nk15
..... I would guess.
This is exactly what happens when folks play the stock market, play poker, and play roulette... Guessing, because no one can predict the future.

I get great pleasure by reading predictions and opines about this situation - especially the doom-and-gloom types as in "the sky is falling" types of opines ...

Speaking of guessing, got a guess about winning the next lottery? Betcha you won't win

I am supposed to do a DOH-DBX rt on QR this Thurs-Sun. If it happens, then GREAT. If not, then maybe the next week end, or the next, or ...

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Old Jun 5, 2017, 10:45 pm
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This is painful. Called last night & got a “we have no information response”.

So....been on the phone for an hour this morning to get through. Need to sort out next week's AUH-DOH-LHR routing (& an upcoming DWC-HKT routing, also in June).

Just held in a loop. No clue how long it will take to get to someone but am (not surprisingly) very unhappy. Patience is a virtue, apparently
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Old Jun 5, 2017, 10:51 pm
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How will TUN, CMN and ALG routes will be affected?
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