Paris airport bars Muslim staff

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Nov 2, 2006 | 7:31 am
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From today's Beeb
More than 70 Muslim workers at France's main airport have been stripped of their security clearance for allegedly posing a risk to passengers.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm
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Nov 2, 2006 | 7:35 am
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Perhaps a less misleading headline would be, "Workers with alleged terrorist ties stripped of their airport security clearances."
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Nov 2, 2006 | 8:22 am
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Quote: Perhaps a less misleading headline would be, "Workers with alleged terrorist ties stripped of their airport security clearances."
Absolutely. Can you believe those people worked in a secure area of CDG, some of them who have visited training camp in Afghanistan??? (I quote the BBC News article).

But the craziest bit is this one:
"However, about a dozen other workers who have been identified as security risks still have access to sensitive areas of the airport because under French law they must be allowed an opportunity to respond to the charges before they are suspended."

I've always hated those stupid french laws for the so-called "protection of the worker", but this is going way to far. They're telling there are people who ARE dangerous, KNOWN threats, but they have to let them work because if they don't, they'll piss off the unions? Wow! I hope I'm not the only one who's angry here.

The UK goes through (unnecessary) hell to forbid water on airplanes, but the french let dangerous ppl work in secure areas!

2 PSs here: 1, I'm french. 2, the fact that those people are muslim has nothing to do with why they're being fired.
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Nov 2, 2006 | 8:51 am
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Makes one wonder how the cursory security and background checks done to various airport workers here in the US (for AOA access) are able to find known dangerous people....or not find them
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Nov 2, 2006 | 9:57 am
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Quote: Absolutely. Can you believe those people worked in a secure area of CDG, some of them who have visited training camp in Afghanistan??? (I quote the BBC News article).

But the craziest bit is this one:
"However, about a dozen other workers who have been identified as security risks still have access to sensitive areas of the airport because under French law they must be allowed an opportunity to respond to the charges before they are suspended."

I've always hated those stupid french laws for the so-called "protection of the worker", but this is going way to far. They're telling there are people who ARE dangerous, KNOWN threats, but they have to let them work because if they don't, they'll piss off the unions? Wow! I hope I'm not the only one who's angry here.

The UK goes through (unnecessary) hell to forbid water on airplanes, but the french let dangerous ppl work in secure areas!

2 PSs here: 1, I'm french. 2, the fact that those people are muslim has nothing to do with why they're being fired.
Yeah, because we all know that if you are accused of something it must be true.
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Nov 2, 2006 | 10:32 am
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Quote: The UK goes through (unnecessary) hell to forbid water on airplanes, but the french let dangerous ppl work in secure areas!

2 PSs here: 1, I'm french. 2, the fact that those people are muslim has nothing to do with why they're being fired.
Being French, may be a little history might help
http://www.paris-link-home.com/news/...006-10-26.html
"We must not forget that when it comes to tackling Islamic fundamentalism, France was one of the first in the firing line. In the 1990s, Paris suffered a wave of bomb attacks, including two on the RER B train line which bisects Paris, killing many and injuring hundreds more. London has often called upon Paris for advice on how to deal with the terrorist threat from Islamic fundamentalism simply because Paris has the greater experience in finding the culprits and infiltrating the networks."
So one can't just pluck some workers out of the blue ( or just for the sake of it ) before assessing the seriousness of the intelligence and proof of claims that they are would-be terrorists before crying "wolf" and forbidding them to work.
Anyway, I guess under the Napoleonic law, "guilty until proven innocent"
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Nov 2, 2006 | 12:02 pm
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Hey, I'm usually first in line to both beat the French up (lost relatives in both wars) and eat their food. :-)00 (Smiley with double chin!)

But in this case I thought this was interesting in that the Frog version of the FAA/DHS clearly went back through their employee list and did another deep dive.

It would have been as good a story if they'd found a former member of Beider-Manhoff or the Red Brigade.
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Nov 2, 2006 | 1:37 pm
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If any of the allegations were true, these gentlemen would be sitting in jail right now. The fact is they probably went on holiday to areas that the French government is anxious about. Terrorist camps, MY BACKSIDE!
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Nov 2, 2006 | 1:41 pm
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Quote: ... I thought this was interesting in that the Frog version of the FAA/DHS clearly went back through their employee list and did another deep dive.
That's nice.
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Nov 2, 2006 | 1:42 pm
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Quote: If any of the allegations were true, these gentlemen would be sitting in jail right now.
Really? You man that the probability of the French security guys getting wiretaps on them, putting them under pressure, and then looking for their network is .... zero?

Quote: The fact is they probably went on holiday to areas that the French government is anxious about. Terrorist camps, MY BACKSIDE!
Sure, you can see that the gov't of France thought that dismissing Muslims from the airport would make them look, what? Sorry, I lost the thread of how that would be a good thing in any direction.
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Nov 2, 2006 | 4:43 pm
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This thread title is misleading, false.

Was in Paris a couple of hours ago and there are muslim staff working at CDG.
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Nov 2, 2006 | 4:51 pm
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Quote: Absolutely. Can you believe those people worked in a secure area of CDG, some of them who have visited training camp in Afghanistan??? (I quote the BBC News article).

But the craziest bit is this one:
"However, about a dozen other workers who have been identified as security risks still have access to sensitive areas of the airport because under French law they must be allowed an opportunity to respond to the charges before they are suspended."

I've always hated those stupid french laws for the so-called "protection of the worker", but this is going way to far. They're telling there are people who ARE dangerous, KNOWN threats, but they have to let them work because if they don't, they'll piss off the unions? Wow! I hope I'm not the only one who's angry here.

The UK goes through (unnecessary) hell to forbid water on airplanes, but the french let dangerous ppl work in secure areas!

2 PSs here: 1, I'm french. 2, the fact that those people are muslim has nothing to do with why they're being fired.
If the stories are true, where are the criminal charges, prosecutions and convictions for all the individuals who were subjected to suspension of their work rights? Is guilt by association, persecution by press and penalties without conviction by independent trial now part of French values?

The French laws gave plenty of room for charges and prosecutions. So where are the convictions of all these persons?
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Nov 2, 2006 | 4:54 pm
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Quote: That's nice.
Along the lines of your appropriately sarcastic remark:

From bigoted ethnic name-calling to smearing of a whole group of people on the basis of relgion doesn't require a big bridge; for many, it's just a small step from one to the other ... or part of the same package.
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Nov 2, 2006 | 5:02 pm
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Quote: Really? You man that the probability of the French security guys getting wiretaps on them, putting them under pressure, and then looking for their network is .... zero?.

I didn't say that. I'm quite sure the French authorities have been looking up these gentlemen's bottoms with electron microscopes. If the French authorities believed that these gentlemen were in anyway connected to the resistance of western power, would these gentlemen be working or be incarcerated? According to what I have read, they are still performing the duties required of them that do not place them in "secure" zones.

Quote: Sure, you can see that the gov't of France thought that dismissing Muslims from the airport would make them look, what? Sorry, I lost the thread of how that would be a good thing in any direction.
What do you mean, "good thing in any direction"?
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Nov 2, 2006 | 5:04 pm
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Quote: Along the lines of your appropriately sarcastic remark:

From bigoted ethnic name-calling to smearing of a whole group of people on the basis of relgion doesn't require a big bridge; for many, it's just a small step from one to the other ... or part of the same package.
Hear, hear! ^

Although, when used correctly, the Ignore User feature prevents me from seeing the initial postings of racial epithets, I wish that when another user quotes such a hatemonger, that would also be blanked.
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