Paris airport bars Muslim staff
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Sensationalism at its best...
Originally Posted by TierFlyer
From today's Beeb
More than 70 Muslim workers at France's main airport have been stripped of their security clearance for allegedly posing a risk to passengers.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm3 have filed suit.. for wrongfully connecting them to terrorist camps in Afg. or Pak.
Now, of all of the European muslims that would have jumped on this as discrimination and religious zealots in the Mid east have not called for the death of the french gov.. yet... so it is still resonable to demise that the first 69 muslims that were indentified and let go ... had terror ties... none have filed charges or sought to be reinstated.. none have gone public with their stories...
So... ok 3 muslims have attorneys and are trying to fight their connections to Mosque where Rich Reid studied so hard to become an idiot shoe bomber...
It is fair to allow the authorities to do their jobs without Sensationalist reports of workplace genocide...
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Originally Posted by Thailandflyer
3 have filed suit.. for wrongfully connecting them to terrorist camps in Afg. or Pak.
Now, of all of the European muslims that would have jumped on this as discrimination and religious zealots in the Mid east have not called for the death of the french gov.. yet... so it is still resonable to demise that the first 69 muslims that were indentified and let go ... had terror ties... none have filed charges or sought to be reinstated.. none have gone public with their stories...
So... ok 3 muslims have attorneys and are trying to fight their connections to Mosque where Rich Reid studied so hard to become an idiot shoe bomber...
It is fair to allow the authorities to do their jobs without Sensationalist reports of workplace genocide...
Now, of all of the European muslims that would have jumped on this as discrimination and religious zealots in the Mid east have not called for the death of the french gov.. yet... so it is still resonable to demise that the first 69 muslims that were indentified and let go ... had terror ties... none have filed charges or sought to be reinstated.. none have gone public with their stories...
So... ok 3 muslims have attorneys and are trying to fight their connections to Mosque where Rich Reid studied so hard to become an idiot shoe bomber...
It is fair to allow the authorities to do their jobs without Sensationalist reports of workplace genocide...
(yet) -- had terror ties. At least two of those "first 69 muslims" certainly have NO terrorist ties except in the minds of presumptuous idiots and bigots. Some have even landed what they consider better jobs. 
The sensationalism is that which is being done by, and with the support of, anti-muslim bigots, the security-at-any-cost types, and the government authorities and government apologists who have gone on an ethnic witchhunt in relation to this matter.
If there is evidence of wrongdoing, charge them, prosecute them and convict them. Otherwise drop this sensationalist charade and the smear tactics being applied to one and all of the CDG staff that have been subject to these restrictions.
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Some data
Quoted by "20 Minutes Paris":
- in October, 87,570 employees had a security clearance to go into the secured zone at CDG
- since 2004, police authorities have refused granting or maintaining this security clearance to 2,600 people
- in October, 87,570 employees had a security clearance to go into the secured zone at CDG
- since 2004, police authorities have refused granting or maintaining this security clearance to 2,600 people
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I am no French nor Muslim. Just like applying a job with the US federal government, they would run a security risk analysis on a person before admitting him to the service. If the risk analysis include frequent trips to Pakistan as one of the high risk factor, then so be it.
You just cannot help with some people in a country that are full of hatre. Last night I was in Times Square at night, just off from LGA, got the verbal abuse by the Hispanic spoken only Hispanic language, for no apparent reason. In the future, would I hire "those" people, including the I.I. who have so much hatre to the normal, non threatening, Americans citizens? Absolutely NOT. I will not hire hispanics from now on. None. Call me racist. But this is due to my personal experience of one group of people with so much hate to others. Why would I put myself into this situation. So do the French government. I sympathise her position and I would choose to fly CDG rather than LHR, and have a peace of mind.
You just cannot help with some people in a country that are full of hatre. Last night I was in Times Square at night, just off from LGA, got the verbal abuse by the Hispanic spoken only Hispanic language, for no apparent reason. In the future, would I hire "those" people, including the I.I. who have so much hatre to the normal, non threatening, Americans citizens? Absolutely NOT. I will not hire hispanics from now on. None. Call me racist. But this is due to my personal experience of one group of people with so much hate to others. Why would I put myself into this situation. So do the French government. I sympathise her position and I would choose to fly CDG rather than LHR, and have a peace of mind.
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but hating, my boy, is an art."
-- Ogden Nash ("A Plea For Less Malice Toward None")
Characterizing individuals based on some peddled singular identity, in an effort to justify limiting the work rights of minorities as evidenced in this thread, is an art of hating in and of itself.
but hating, my boy, is an art."
-- Ogden Nash ("A Plea For Less Malice Toward None")
Characterizing individuals based on some peddled singular identity, in an effort to justify limiting the work rights of minorities as evidenced in this thread, is an art of hating in and of itself.
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Originally Posted by Hotspring
I am no French nor Muslim. Just like applying a job with the US federal government, they would run a security risk analysis on a person before admitting him to the service. If the risk analysis include frequent trips to Pakistan as one of the high risk factor, then so be it.
You just cannot help with some people in a country that are full of hatre. Last night I was in Times Square at night, just off from LGA, got the verbal abuse by the Hispanic spoken only Hispanic language, for no apparent reason. In the future, would I hire "those" people, including the I.I. who have so much hatre to the normal, non threatening, Americans citizens? Absolutely NOT. I will not hire hispanics from now on. None. Call me racist. But this is due to my personal experience of one group of people with so much hate to others. Why would I put myself into this situation. So do the French government. I sympathise her position and I would choose to fly CDG rather than LHR, and have a peace of mind.
You just cannot help with some people in a country that are full of hatre. Last night I was in Times Square at night, just off from LGA, got the verbal abuse by the Hispanic spoken only Hispanic language, for no apparent reason. In the future, would I hire "those" people, including the I.I. who have so much hatre to the normal, non threatening, Americans citizens? Absolutely NOT. I will not hire hispanics from now on. None. Call me racist. But this is due to my personal experience of one group of people with so much hate to others. Why would I put myself into this situation. So do the French government. I sympathise her position and I would choose to fly CDG rather than LHR, and have a peace of mind.
I had a similar experience about two years ago, in Las Vegas, driving with my girlfriend and her two kids. A couple of Hispanic kids pulled up next to our car, and the driver shouted out (in English) 'How's your wife and my kids'. On the other hand, I work with Hispanic people every day. Those I work with are among the finest people I know. Obviously the kids in the car were looking for a conflict, much as I'm sure the idiots in Times Square were. Smile and walk away. I've got better things to do than get into a fight with a couple of teenagers, and so should you.
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Originally Posted by etch5895
Every culture has people who are warm, caring, friendly, and generally good people. Likewise, every culture has its share of buffoons. Your first impression was obviously a bad one. Don't let it be your only one. I'm guessing they were probably teenagers.
I had a similar experience about two years ago, in Las Vegas, driving with my girlfriend and her two kids. A couple of Hispanic kids pulled up next to our car, and the driver shouted out (in English) 'How's your wife and my kids'. On the other hand, I work with Hispanic people every day. Those I work with are among the finest people I know. Obviously the kids in the car were looking for a conflict, much as I'm sure the idiots in Times Square were. Smile and walk away. I've got better things to do than get into a fight with a couple of teenagers, and so should you.
I had a similar experience about two years ago, in Las Vegas, driving with my girlfriend and her two kids. A couple of Hispanic kids pulled up next to our car, and the driver shouted out (in English) 'How's your wife and my kids'. On the other hand, I work with Hispanic people every day. Those I work with are among the finest people I know. Obviously the kids in the car were looking for a conflict, much as I'm sure the idiots in Times Square were. Smile and walk away. I've got better things to do than get into a fight with a couple of teenagers, and so should you.
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Very apt lines for this situation
... taken from a situation involving someone who lost their primary work clearance on rather questionable grounds too, due to guilt by association on the basis of the activities of the 9-year old and 11-year old children of said person.
I had heard about such security-related work discrimination before -- and not just in Europe -- but it's finally making the press in bigger ways: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/leg...cle1961446.ece
"We live in a society where it is possible to point a finger at a Muslim abroad and say that they have WMD and are a threat to national security and no questions are asked. Now those who 'protect' us feel emboldened to point the same finger at ..... Muslims [closer to home]. Muslims are labelled guilty by association. Doubt is insufficient to save them. They are assumed guilty before being proven innocent. We are very close to living in the days of Salem. If the head of counter-terrorism becomes a Witch-Finder General then any Muslim or Muslim-looking person or sympathiser best take cover."
I had heard about such security-related work discrimination before -- and not just in Europe -- but it's finally making the press in bigger ways: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/leg...cle1961446.ece

