Web could be terror training camp: Chertoff
Oct 18, 2006 | 6:05 pm
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Originally Posted by GUWonder
This is not a government that inspires confidence.
In all seriousnous though, these jihad websites will certainly continue to operate on the internet, regardless if one or two get shut down. It will just make them adapt to the changes. It is too easy and lucrative to hate America and the rest of the west now. How far we've come in 5 years.
Oct 18, 2006 | 6:55 pm
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Sure terrorists use the Internet...
And terrorists use phone networks to communicate. The government did not find it necessary to advertise the fact that they were listening to terror (giving them the benefit of doubt) cells or that telephone traffic between operatives was a threat.
Why would they advertise the fact that the Internet is a threat and that it needs monitoring?
And why now?
The answer is not hard to guess but I'll leave it to you creative souls to arrive at it yourselves
Why would they advertise the fact that the Internet is a threat and that it needs monitoring?
And why now?
The answer is not hard to guess but I'll leave it to you creative souls to arrive at it yourselves
Oct 18, 2006 | 7:03 pm
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After Katrina, why is Mike Chertoff still even in office?
Doesn't Mike C. know that TALKING to poeple could be used to recruit terrorists? BOOKS could be used. Should be ban public places? Shut down printing presses? Ban Islam and close the mosques? Ban teachers from mentioning terrorism? Should we ban the Koran, the Torah, and the Bible?
Why not ask a DHS representative to sit in my apartment and proofread each email I write and look over every web site I visit? Since they already have the phones tapped, this seems like a good idea. And the DHS budget is big enough to probably support it.
In some ways, Chertoff's claim about the internet and Rumsfeld's NFL/dirty bomb schtik are good for the FlyerTalk cause. Their claims are so stupid that they help further destroy the last remaining modicum of credibility for the "War on Terror."
Doesn't Mike C. know that TALKING to poeple could be used to recruit terrorists? BOOKS could be used. Should be ban public places? Shut down printing presses? Ban Islam and close the mosques? Ban teachers from mentioning terrorism? Should we ban the Koran, the Torah, and the Bible?
Why not ask a DHS representative to sit in my apartment and proofread each email I write and look over every web site I visit? Since they already have the phones tapped, this seems like a good idea. And the DHS budget is big enough to probably support it.
In some ways, Chertoff's claim about the internet and Rumsfeld's NFL/dirty bomb schtik are good for the FlyerTalk cause. Their claims are so stupid that they help further destroy the last remaining modicum of credibility for the "War on Terror."
Oct 18, 2006 | 8:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Superguy
So what does Chertoff want? Web filtering at the national level like they have in China?
Oct 19, 2006 | 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by studentff
No-compute list. You will be required to present ID to the computer which will then allow login only if you are not on the list. You will be required to re-validate that ID every few minutes at random. David Nelson, Robert Johnson, and Sam Adams will have to go back to using snail mail. Politicians on both sides of the aisle and government officials will say it's OK to deny computer access without due process because there's no "right to use a computer" expressed in the Constitution.
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Oct 19, 2006 | 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by mikeef
Oh, it's much worse than that. Before getting on the internet, you will have to empty your pockets and remove all other electronic devices. In addition, you will have to take your shoes off.
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Oct 19, 2006 | 1:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Superguy
So what does Chertoff want? Web filtering at the national level like they have in China?
http://eursoc.com/news/fullstory.php...Broadband.html
Oct 19, 2006 | 3:13 pm
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Forgive me if my reading comprehension skills are lacking, but I got the sense from the linked article that Chertoff's concern was actually about homegrown terrorists. He was noting that disaffected people in-country could become radicalized and was allocating more resources to monitor that problem. He pointed out that training could take place over the internet as an example of how homegrown terrorists could be trained. His point seemed to be that terrorists don't have to be foreigners coming into this country - they could become radicalized and trained online. And, therefore, we need to devote more resources to the problem of homegrown terrorists.
I did not read anything in that particular article that suggested that Chertoff wanted to restrict Internet usage.
I did not read anything in that particular article that suggested that Chertoff wanted to restrict Internet usage.
Oct 19, 2006 | 3:16 pm
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Originally Posted by escog
I did not read anything in that particular article that suggested that Chertoff wanted to restrict Internet usage.
Why would he behave any differently with respect to suspected local internet terrorism recruitment?
Oct 19, 2006 | 3:20 pm
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Originally Posted by escog
Forgive me if my reading comprehension skills are lacking, but I got the sense from the linked article that Chertoff's concern was actually about homegrown terrorists. He was noting that disaffected people in-country could become radicalized and was allocating more resources to monitor that problem. He pointed out that training could take place over the internet as an example of how homegrown terrorists could be trained. His point seemed to be that terrorists don't have to be foreigners coming into this country - they could become radicalized and trained online. And, therefore, we need to devote more resources to the problem of homegrown terrorists.
I did not read anything in that particular article that suggested that Chertoff wanted to restrict Internet usage.
I did not read anything in that particular article that suggested that Chertoff wanted to restrict Internet usage.
Oct 20, 2006 | 9:04 am
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Originally Posted by escog
I did not read anything in that particular article that suggested that Chertoff wanted to restrict Internet usage.
YET
For those of us who have monitored Chertoff's assaults on liberty (before and during his secretaryship), we are concerned that this just might be the start of his thought process towards some kind of Italian-style internet license ('browsing pass' ?). Or worse.
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