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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 8:14 am
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Old Sep 24, 2006 | 8:21 am
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Originally Posted by Superguy
And it can be mixed when it's dumped into the TSA can there.

For example, substance A and substance B are fine on their own, but when combined can form explosive C.

Pax A enters the checkpoint and has to dump substance A in the can. Later, Pax B enters the checkpoint and has to dump substance B. Explosive C can now be formed in the vat. Probably won't be too bad because it'll be dilute, but the potential exists for those items to cause an explosion or some sort.

With as much as TSA concentrates on the theoretical threats, I can't believe they didn't come up with that.
Yeah--a terrorist tactic: A brings through a bottle of ammonia. B brings a bottle of bleach. They go through adjoining lanes so one checker doesn't see both bottles.

It would only be a harassment tactic but it would make Washington go ape.
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 7:56 am
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Yet Diet Coke and Mentos can still be served on planes!
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 8:19 am
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Originally Posted by Teacher49
To be passive is nearly as supportive as flying.
I agree with everything you posted even what I quoted here from you except that what I am doing is certainly not passive.

Not flying is an action that speaks volumes louder than virtually any other method of protest or disagreement pertaining to this issue.

It has been said elsewhere that passengers who fly infrequently and check luggage anyway are not bothered or inconvenienced enough by the latest security measures. Some even support them. It has also been said that us frequent fliers are a minority. However, I would not be surprised if frequent fliers also spend the majority of money in air travel, as well as the accompanying government-imposed taxes and fees.

This is why I am hesitant to believe that initially writing letters to political representatives only to receive a form letter from an intern or no response at all, in many cases would be effective pertaining to this issue.

If frequent fliers simply stopped flying for a certain pre-determined period of time, I believe that would be extremely effective in sending a message. Then there will be an audience: political representatives, media organizations and travel companies will listen.

I have been doing my part all along. Anyone else who is willing to join me is more than welcome to do so.
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 8:42 am
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Originally Posted by Canarsie
I have been doing my part all along. Anyone else who is willing to join me is more than welcome to do so.
I have already been doing this.

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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 8:47 am
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 9:44 am
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Originally Posted by Canarsie
I agree with everything you posted even what I quoted here from you except that what I am doing is certainly not passive.

Not flying is an action that speaks volumes louder than virtually any other method of protest or disagreement pertaining to this issue.

It has been said elsewhere that passengers who fly infrequently and check luggage anyway are not bothered or inconvenienced enough by the latest security measures. Some even support them. It has also been said that us frequent fliers are a minority. However, I would not be surprised if frequent fliers also spend the majority of money in air travel, as well as the accompanying government-imposed taxes and fees.

This is why I am hesitant to believe that initially writing letters to political representatives only to receive a form letter from an intern or no response at all, in many cases would be effective pertaining to this issue.

If frequent fliers simply stopped flying for a certain pre-determined period of time, I believe that would be extremely effective in sending a message. Then there will be an audience: political representatives, media organizations and travel companies will listen.

I have been doing my part all along. Anyone else who is willing to join me is more than welcome to do so.
You are quite right. Thanks for pointing this out. Boycott is not passive, as you say. My apologies.

I wish I could join you in that. 98 out 100 of my flights are for business and across distances I cannot drive. The other two are long distance visits to my mother. Can't give any of this up.

Still a boycott needs publicity. A few letters to the editor etc. may be good boost to your intentions. Letters to representatives may get a form letter in response, but they do keep tally over time to see which way the wind is blowing. So results may be delayed.
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 1:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
I'm talking about five years after 9/11 not in the days immediately afterwards with some people living in isolation.

Good grief.
they could have been on the island after the latest liquid scare - just saying that it can happen - Good Grief
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by bigjobs
they could have been on the island after the latest liquid scare - just saying that it can happen - Good Grief
This leads to the question of who is responsible for knowing what needs to occur when you fly.

Is it the TSA's responsibility to educate people on what exactly they can and cant fly with (ie TV commercials and other forms of advertising)? Or is it the PAX responsibility to know what works and what doesnt prior to traveling?

I was raised that it is only my responsibility to make sure that I understand the rules completely...
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Old Sep 25, 2006 | 2:55 pm
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Originally Posted by majorwibi
I was raised that it is only my responsibility to make sure that I understand the rules completely...
If we go by the old saying "teach by example" then we're out of luck as TSA often doesn't understand its own rules. That's evident as there have been many times FT'ers have tried to correct screeners when they were wrong. Some actually got it right after that. Others just got a retaliatory secondary.
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