Screeners arguing
#46
Join Date: Feb 2001
Posts: 325
Originally Posted by davidcalgary29
I can tell you that when I go to Court this afternoon, I won't be able to bring . . . dress shoes in a colour other than black into the courtroom, without the risk of having it seized . . . .
#47
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: ORD
Programs: CO PLT, HH DIA
Posts: 1,461
Originally Posted by Bart
I don't know how it's done at other airports, but at SAT, all surrendered liquids, gels and aerosols are disposed by maintenance. We don't touch it, we can be terminated if we keep ANY prohibited item or ANY lost-and-found item.
Recently, a passenger decided to surrender a very expensive bottle of liquor. One of the maintenance people saw the surrendered bottle and commented that he couldn't wait until later in the night (implying that he was going to take that bottle once it was away from the checkpoint). I complained to my supervisor who said that our hands were basically tied, and that once we turned custody of these items over to airport maintenance, there was nothing we could do. I asked if we could catalog the item separately by at least identifying its cost, and he bascially told me that my job was to dispose of banned liquids in the container provided and forget about it.
I smiled my classic evil grin that all supervisors on my shift have come to know and dread.
The maintenance guy came by towards the end of our shift and had this frustrated look on his face. He didn't dare ask what happened to that bottle of liquor, but it was very obvious that he was looking forward to claiming a trophy.
I poured the contents down a toilet and placed the empty bottle in the disposal container. The maintenance guy will probably say that one of us took the bottle home for ourselves.
I will not allow me doing my job, though I may disagree with some of the policies, to become an excuse to steal.
Recently, a passenger decided to surrender a very expensive bottle of liquor. One of the maintenance people saw the surrendered bottle and commented that he couldn't wait until later in the night (implying that he was going to take that bottle once it was away from the checkpoint). I complained to my supervisor who said that our hands were basically tied, and that once we turned custody of these items over to airport maintenance, there was nothing we could do. I asked if we could catalog the item separately by at least identifying its cost, and he bascially told me that my job was to dispose of banned liquids in the container provided and forget about it.
I smiled my classic evil grin that all supervisors on my shift have come to know and dread.
The maintenance guy came by towards the end of our shift and had this frustrated look on his face. He didn't dare ask what happened to that bottle of liquor, but it was very obvious that he was looking forward to claiming a trophy.
I poured the contents down a toilet and placed the empty bottle in the disposal container. The maintenance guy will probably say that one of us took the bottle home for ourselves.
I will not allow me doing my job, though I may disagree with some of the policies, to become an excuse to steal.
This kind of hting is what makes people hate the TSA, there are too many people writing the rules as they go along and far too few people willing to sand up for what is right.
This is the kind of thing that as a journalist I would LOVE to do a hidden camera piece on, airport maintenance idiots taking trophies home. I would love to see an airport manager justify this kind of nonsense.
Keep the faith, you're one of the good guys. BART FOR SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY!!
--PP
#48




Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: TUS and any place close to a lav
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Posts: 5,424
Personally, I believe that the new security policies are designed by the administration to help stimulate the economy.
If you force people to throw things away that they need, they will be forced to purchase replacements.
This buying helps to spur the economy.
If you force people to throw things away that they need, they will be forced to purchase replacements.
This buying helps to spur the economy.
#49
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Programs: United Milage Plus 1K. Lots of hotel Gold.
Posts: 299
Ha... that falls along the same line of "why dont they just print more money?"
Originally Posted by warreng24
Personally, I believe that the new security policies are designed by the administration to help stimulate the economy.
If you force people to throw things away that they need, they will be forced to purchase replacements.
This buying helps to spur the economy.
If you force people to throw things away that they need, they will be forced to purchase replacements.
This buying helps to spur the economy.

#52
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Minnesota
Programs: DL, Starwood, SWA, United. RIP NWA.
Posts: 320
Originally Posted by Bart
I cannot believe that it is valid to assume that any person flying on commercial aircraft today would be totally ignorant of an airport security process or methodology given the breadth of these news events over the past several years, especially when news information is available in so many different forms.
Originally Posted by Bart
As I type this, there's a news ticker scrolling across the top of my monitor. All major news networks have adapted the news ticker across the screen; major networks interupt prime time programs with these scrolling news tickers.
Originally Posted by Bart
Sorry, I don't buy it that any person can come to the airport and be totally, completely caught off guard that airport security screens people and property for prohibited items.
I think you probably do your job quite well, and I'm not trying to argue with you. But I do think there's a point to made about people being unaware of their own blind spots and assuming their point of view is universal. Why does it matter? IMHO, attributing stupidity, naivete and/or willful ignorance to people who simply don't share your perspective is disconcerting in a public official of any stripe.
Here's a for-instance on the differing point of view I mentioned: The horse show world was rocked earlier this month when a major breed association declined to name a national champion because the vast majority of the top contenders had been doped or abused. You probably didn't know that. Yet the 4.6 million people who work in the U.S. horse industry, not to mention most of the 2 million horse owners, are fully aware and probably can't believe you don't know. The Associated Press carried a story about it, after all, and a Google News search turns up more than 10 pages of results on the incident. Who cares? Well, the horse industry has a $102 billion annual impact on the U.S. economy. Most people don't know that, either.
Here's another: Quick, how many people in Africa died of AIDS last year? AIDS, like terrorism, can attack anyone, and it's been all over the news since the mid-1980s, after all. Many doctors and all epidemiologists could tell you the stat. I can't, and most other people probably can't either. That doesn't make them stupid, naive or willfully ignorant. It simply means they have a different POV than doctors and epidemiologists.
Rant off, and my apologies.
#54
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Olympia, WA
Programs: United MM Alaska MP Cessna/Piper Captain
Posts: 244
Some folks who are involved with aviation take a different view of the TSA. Enjoy!
http://www.klydemorris.com/strips.cfm?strip_ID=1637
http://www.klydemorris.com/strips.cfm?strip_ID=1575
Just examples. For those who don't know Klyde Morris, this strip picks on anyone and anything in aviation. TSA is just one of the groups that gets skewered with great regularity.
http://www.klydemorris.com/strips.cfm?strip_ID=1637
http://www.klydemorris.com/strips.cfm?strip_ID=1575
Just examples. For those who don't know Klyde Morris, this strip picks on anyone and anything in aviation. TSA is just one of the groups that gets skewered with great regularity.
#55
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 10,034
Originally Posted by Bart
This string began when I said that there is absolutely no excuse, given today's environment, for any passenger to not know what is packed inside his or her carry-on.
Not everyone makes a living by feeling up complete strangers and rifling through their bags every day.
Take off the blinders; there is a real world out here.
#56
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NRT
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Originally Posted by Bart
I poured the contents down a toilet and placed the empty bottle in the disposal container. The maintenance guy will probably say that one of us took the bottle home for ourselves.
#58


Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Seattle WA, USA
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Posts: 3,481
Originally Posted by secretbunnyboy
There are plenty of people in the US who consume only media that deal with Brad and Angelina's baby Beyonce, and whether Clay Aitkin fabricated his memoir about being an alcoholic and heroin addict (I may be confusing some details here). I am sure that there are people here that could tell you every single detail about laptop carry-on restrictions and shoe removal in the US vs the EU, but wouldn't have a clue about who Shanna Moakler is. The reverse is also true.
#59
Join Date: Oct 2003
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Originally Posted by Business as usual
...Here's a for-instance Well, the horse industry has a $102 billion annual impact on the U.S. economy.
Most people don't know that, either.
Most people don't know that, either.
#60
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,441
Originally Posted by Bart
Let's take it from the top once again. No, I don't expect people to know that a 6 oz tube of toothpaste is considered a prohibited item. Nor do I expect people to know where lipstick falls on the prohibited item scale. Nor do I expect people to read up on every news article dealing with airport security.
However, the 8/10 plot was not some small human interest news article buried in the Metro section of the city newspaper nor was it a 60-second filler between world news and the story about the skinny kid who won the all-you-can-eat championship. And while your average citizen may not study current events with any degree of interest, I would think that anyone who is thinking about catching a flight on a commercial airliner would stop to think that perhaps there are some items prohibited at the security checkpoint either due to the 9/11 attacks, the recent news stories about some plot in Britain or just as a general reference to the ongoing Global War on Terror. I cannot believe that it is valid to assume that any person flying on commercial aircraft today would be totally ignorant of an airport security process or methodology given the breadth of these news events over the past several years, especially when news information is available in so many different forms. As I type this, there's a news ticker scrolling across the top of my monitor. All major news networks have adapted the news ticker across the screen; major networks interupt prime time programs with these scrolling news tickers. Sorry, I don't buy it that any person can come to the airport and be totally, completely caught off guard that airport security screens people and property for prohibited items.
However, the 8/10 plot was not some small human interest news article buried in the Metro section of the city newspaper nor was it a 60-second filler between world news and the story about the skinny kid who won the all-you-can-eat championship. And while your average citizen may not study current events with any degree of interest, I would think that anyone who is thinking about catching a flight on a commercial airliner would stop to think that perhaps there are some items prohibited at the security checkpoint either due to the 9/11 attacks, the recent news stories about some plot in Britain or just as a general reference to the ongoing Global War on Terror. I cannot believe that it is valid to assume that any person flying on commercial aircraft today would be totally ignorant of an airport security process or methodology given the breadth of these news events over the past several years, especially when news information is available in so many different forms. As I type this, there's a news ticker scrolling across the top of my monitor. All major news networks have adapted the news ticker across the screen; major networks interupt prime time programs with these scrolling news tickers. Sorry, I don't buy it that any person can come to the airport and be totally, completely caught off guard that airport security screens people and property for prohibited items.
Keynote Lecture
Conference at the Steinhardt School of Education
New York University, 2 March 2006
Allan Goodman
Eighty-seven is the percent of college-educated adults in America today who were, according to a recent National Geographic Society survey, unable to locate Iraq on a map. Seventy is the percentage, according to a Gallup poll, that cannot name the current president of Russia or correctly identify the job that a person named Kofi Annan holds. Sixty-five percent cannot find France or the U.K. on a map; and despite the fact that the President of the United States is visiting India this week, fifty-six percent cant locate the worlds largest democracy on a map either.

