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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by davidcalgary29
I can tell you that when I go to Court this afternoon, I won't be able to bring . . . dress shoes in a colour other than black into the courtroom, without the risk of having it seized . . . .
Now this is taking the shoe carnival to a new level: "I am sorry sir, but your shoes appear to be dark grey, we will have to seize them." I am sure that people running around in their stocking feet in court rooms makes the country safer, but I am having a hard time imagining how. But in these times, I have no trouble believing that everything you said about the restrictions is true.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 6:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
I don't know how it's done at other airports, but at SAT, all surrendered liquids, gels and aerosols are disposed by maintenance. We don't touch it, we can be terminated if we keep ANY prohibited item or ANY lost-and-found item.

Recently, a passenger decided to surrender a very expensive bottle of liquor. One of the maintenance people saw the surrendered bottle and commented that he couldn't wait until later in the night (implying that he was going to take that bottle once it was away from the checkpoint). I complained to my supervisor who said that our hands were basically tied, and that once we turned custody of these items over to airport maintenance, there was nothing we could do. I asked if we could catalog the item separately by at least identifying its cost, and he bascially told me that my job was to dispose of banned liquids in the container provided and forget about it.

I smiled my classic evil grin that all supervisors on my shift have come to know and dread.

The maintenance guy came by towards the end of our shift and had this frustrated look on his face. He didn't dare ask what happened to that bottle of liquor, but it was very obvious that he was looking forward to claiming a trophy.

I poured the contents down a toilet and placed the empty bottle in the disposal container. The maintenance guy will probably say that one of us took the bottle home for ourselves.

I will not allow me doing my job, though I may disagree with some of the policies, to become an excuse to steal.
Bart, as I have said many times before, the TSA cold use 45,000 more of you. Why are aren't in chage is beyond me, unless if it;s because you're just too competent and honest to be in charge.

This kind of hting is what makes people hate the TSA, there are too many people writing the rules as they go along and far too few people willing to sand up for what is right.

This is the kind of thing that as a journalist I would LOVE to do a hidden camera piece on, airport maintenance idiots taking trophies home. I would love to see an airport manager justify this kind of nonsense.

Keep the faith, you're one of the good guys. BART FOR SECRETARY OF HOMELAND SECURITY!!

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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 6:45 pm
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Personally, I believe that the new security policies are designed by the administration to help stimulate the economy.

If you force people to throw things away that they need, they will be forced to purchase replacements.

This buying helps to spur the economy.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 7:26 pm
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Ha... that falls along the same line of "why dont they just print more money?"

Originally Posted by warreng24
Personally, I believe that the new security policies are designed by the administration to help stimulate the economy.

If you force people to throw things away that they need, they will be forced to purchase replacements.

This buying helps to spur the economy.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 7:42 pm
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 7:54 pm
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 2:24 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
I cannot believe that it is valid to assume that any person flying on commercial aircraft today would be totally ignorant of an airport security process or methodology given the breadth of these news events over the past several years, especially when news information is available in so many different forms.
Seems like there are thousands of pieces of human evidence to the contrary passing your checkpoints every day.

Originally Posted by Bart
As I type this, there's a news ticker scrolling across the top of my monitor. All major news networks have adapted the news ticker across the screen; major networks interupt prime time programs with these scrolling news tickers.
So, when was the last time a full explanation of the liquid/gel/etc. ban was scrolled on CNN or during a primetime network program?

Originally Posted by Bart
Sorry, I don't buy it that any person can come to the airport and be totally, completely caught off guard that airport security screens people and property for prohibited items.
Of course they know they'll be screened and some things are banned. They just don't know what.

I think you probably do your job quite well, and I'm not trying to argue with you. But I do think there's a point to made about people being unaware of their own blind spots and assuming their point of view is universal. Why does it matter? IMHO, attributing stupidity, naivete and/or willful ignorance to people who simply don't share your perspective is disconcerting in a public official of any stripe.

Here's a for-instance on the differing point of view I mentioned: The horse show world was rocked earlier this month when a major breed association declined to name a national champion because the vast majority of the top contenders had been doped or abused. You probably didn't know that. Yet the 4.6 million people who work in the U.S. horse industry, not to mention most of the 2 million horse owners, are fully aware and probably can't believe you don't know. The Associated Press carried a story about it, after all, and a Google News search turns up more than 10 pages of results on the incident. Who cares? Well, the horse industry has a $102 billion annual impact on the U.S. economy. Most people don't know that, either.

Here's another: Quick, how many people in Africa died of AIDS last year? AIDS, like terrorism, can attack anyone, and it's been all over the news since the mid-1980s, after all. Many doctors and all epidemiologists could tell you the stat. I can't, and most other people probably can't either. That doesn't make them stupid, naive or willfully ignorant. It simply means they have a different POV than doctors and epidemiologists.

Rant off, and my apologies.
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 8:04 am
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 9:22 am
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Some folks who are involved with aviation take a different view of the TSA. Enjoy!

http://www.klydemorris.com/strips.cfm?strip_ID=1637

http://www.klydemorris.com/strips.cfm?strip_ID=1575

Just examples. For those who don't know Klyde Morris, this strip picks on anyone and anything in aviation. TSA is just one of the groups that gets skewered with great regularity.
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
This string began when I said that there is absolutely no excuse, given today's environment, for any passenger to not know what is packed inside his or her carry-on.
And this string goes on and on because your inability to fathom that there ARE people out there who either forgot they have a prohibited item in their bag or don't know the list.

Not everyone makes a living by feeling up complete strangers and rifling through their bags every day.

Take off the blinders; there is a real world out here.
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 9:49 am
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Originally Posted by Bart
I poured the contents down a toilet and placed the empty bottle in the disposal container. The maintenance guy will probably say that one of us took the bottle home for ourselves.
Perhaps you should have refilled the empty bottle with an "alternative liquid."
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 9:54 am
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Originally Posted by jib71
Perhaps you should have refilled the empty bottle with an "alternative liquid."
That would have been justice at work.
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 9:55 am
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Originally Posted by secretbunnyboy
There are plenty of people in the US who consume only media that deal with Brad and Angelina's baby Beyonce, and whether Clay Aitkin fabricated his memoir about being an alcoholic and heroin addict (I may be confusing some details here). I am sure that there are people here that could tell you every single detail about laptop carry-on restrictions and shoe removal in the US vs the EU, but wouldn't have a clue about who Shanna Moakler is. The reverse is also true.
Shanna who??? Guess I know which group I belong in...
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 10:23 am
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Originally Posted by Business as usual
...Here's a for-instance Well, the horse industry has a $102 billion annual impact on the U.S. economy.

Most people don't know that, either.
I did NOT know that, now I do. Good to be informed ^
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Old Sep 23, 2006 | 12:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
Let's take it from the top once again. No, I don't expect people to know that a 6 oz tube of toothpaste is considered a prohibited item. Nor do I expect people to know where lipstick falls on the prohibited item scale. Nor do I expect people to read up on every news article dealing with airport security.

However, the 8/10 plot was not some small human interest news article buried in the Metro section of the city newspaper nor was it a 60-second filler between world news and the story about the skinny kid who won the all-you-can-eat championship. And while your average citizen may not study current events with any degree of interest, I would think that anyone who is thinking about catching a flight on a commercial airliner would stop to think that perhaps there are some items prohibited at the security checkpoint either due to the 9/11 attacks, the recent news stories about some plot in Britain or just as a general reference to the ongoing Global War on Terror. I cannot believe that it is valid to assume that any person flying on commercial aircraft today would be totally ignorant of an airport security process or methodology given the breadth of these news events over the past several years, especially when news information is available in so many different forms. As I type this, there's a news ticker scrolling across the top of my monitor. All major news networks have adapted the news ticker across the screen; major networks interupt prime time programs with these scrolling news tickers. Sorry, I don't buy it that any person can come to the airport and be totally, completely caught off guard that airport security screens people and property for prohibited items.
From:

Keynote Lecture
Conference at the Steinhardt School of Education
New York University, 2 March 2006
Allan Goodman

Eighty-seven is the percent of college-educated adults in America today who were, according to a recent National Geographic Society survey, unable to locate Iraq on a map. Seventy is the percentage, according to a Gallup poll, that cannot name the current president of Russia or correctly identify the job that a person named Kofi Annan holds. Sixty-five percent cannot find France or the U.K. on a map; and despite the fact that the President of the United States is visiting India this week, fifty-six percent cant locate the worlds largest democracy on a map either.
Although I cannot locate the statistics, the number of United States citizens who cannot identify the President is astounding - and if you think that everyone who goes to the airport for a flight should know what's banned, you've got your head in the sand.
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