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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 12:44 pm
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Originally Posted by Tony_B
while I have to agree with Bart that the bottle incident is not 'stealing', it is certainly an improper and probably immoral seizure of someone property. the airport staff though were contemplating stealing. Unfortunately the TSA are stealing liberty every day
I don't see why you're singling out the TSA as the target of your frustrations. Many public institutions have some type of item prohibition in place, and it's an increasingly common experience to be searched -- and have "problem items" seized -- whether you're attending high school, a major-league sporting event, or an airport. I can tell you that when I go to Court this afternoon, I won't be able to bring food, liquids, a hat, chewing gum, or dress shoes in a colour other than black into the courtroom, without the risk of having it seized (and, in the case of edibles, tossed). Court attendees aren't currently searched for contraband, but they will be when Calgary's new "all-in-one" court house opens next year. I'm just hoping that they'll maintain change rooms and lockers for those litigants caught making the fatal sartorial faux pas of wearing brown oxfords with their robes.

I agree that the attempt to ban the increasing number of "suspect" items is futile and onerous, but the correct course of action, I think, is to contact your representative instead of ranting at Bart (not that you did this, specifically), or the TSA. The problem is a systemic one, and growing in magnitude.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 1:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Bart
Naive? LOL. You mean that it is possible to go through the day without one hint of information being thrown at you about the goings-on in the world today? I didn't say that people are compelled to follow these developments. What I said, and you may re-read as often as you'd like until you comprehend, is that this information is thrown out there. Whether people decide to absorb it or ignore it is their choice. Although I do find it somewhat interesting that you believe that a reasonable person would reasonably assume that airport security doesn't have a list of sorts that identifies permitted/prohibited items or that this reasonable person of yours wouldn't pause for a moment to assess whether or not anything in his or her carry-on may draw some measure of scrutiny from airport security, especially in a post 9/11 world.

You're the naive one, pal.
i have friends who did not know about Sept 11 until 10 days later cause they were on an island with no TV, internet, radio and generators for electricity - and before you ask, they had emergency radios in case of emergency, they just did not use them or turn them on cause there was no emergency for them while they were there.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 1:27 pm
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Reminds me of a picture I saw once of a British Army traffic checkpoint in Belfast back in the 80s. There was a big sign approaching the checkpoint that said 'Sorry for the inconvenience - Blame the terrorists'.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 1:41 pm
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This just in. I just went through security at one of my favorite airports.

A little old man and his wife just had their Starbuck's coffee "confiscated". They heard about a water ban. They didn't think it would apply to their coffee!



Yes it happens!!!!
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 2:16 pm
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Gotta call b.s. on that quote, Bart. It was confiscated. Pax "decided" not to miss the flight. P.S. You should have doinked pax on head with said bottle for being a dummy.
Oh, right, big talk from your parents basement in your bunny foot PJ's.

How's that feel?
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 2:28 pm
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Originally Posted by red456
Sorry, Bart, secretbunnyboy had it right - you're naive. Yes, there are people who don't have a clue as to what's happening in the world; they don't read the papers or watch the TV news or listen to news on the radio.
Don't make the rest of us suffer for their ignorance. If a person doesn't keep up with the world around them, that's their problem.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 2:31 pm
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Originally Posted by TierFlyer
Oh, right, big talk from your parents basement in your bunny foot PJ's.

How's that feel?

Feels good. Being a retired old fart, I miss my bunny foot p,j.'s, and haven't thought about them in a looong time! Mahalo.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 2:41 pm
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Originally Posted by davidcalgary29
...the correct course of action, I think, is to contact your representative...
Correct perhaps, effective ? See other threads.

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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 2:50 pm
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Originally Posted by davidcalgary29
I agree that the attempt to ban the increasing number of "suspect" items is futile and onerous, but the correct course of action, I think, is to contact your representative instead of ranting at Bart (not that you did this, specifically), or the TSA. The problem is a systemic one, and growing in magnitude.
"my representative" would have little influence on the policies of a sovereign nation (USA), even though that same nation sure has an impact on mine!

I'm also not sure why someone who posts on an internet forum would disparage such communication?
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 3:54 pm
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Originally Posted by redbeard911
Don't make the rest of us suffer for their ignorance. If a person doesn't keep up with the world around them, that's their problem.
Who said anything about making anyone else suffer? Yes, it is their problem but that only impacts you if you allow it to.

However, anyone who make a statement to the effect that "everybody knows the rules" is also showing his/her ignorance.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 4:04 pm
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Originally Posted by red456
However, anyone who make a statement to the effect that "everybody knows the rules" is also showing his/her ignorance.
Agreed. Even TSA doesn't know it's own rules.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 4:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Tony_B
"my representative" would have little influence on the policies of a sovereign nation (USA), even though that same nation sure has an impact on mine!
And I'm in Canada. We are all facing security measures that are largely complementary to those imposed by/through the TSA in the US, though, and this discussion (and any plans to take action) are therefore relevant to all of us.

I'm also not sure why someone who posts on an internet forum would disparage such communication?
Disparage? I'm just pointing out that neither Bart nor any other TSA screener on this board has much latitude (or authority) to tailor enforced regulations as they see fit.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 5:00 pm
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Originally Posted by redbeard911
Don't make the rest of us suffer for their ignorance. If a person doesn't keep up with the world around them, that's their problem.
Err...not true: we all suffer. If the voting populace kept up with the world around them, I doubt many of the current office holders in the legislative and executive branch would still be employed in their present positions.
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 5:24 pm
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Originally Posted by red456
I found this on another website:


If all these gels and liquids they are seizing are so dangerous why aren't they all being disposed of correctly by a police or fire department explosive ordinance disposal unit rather than just thrown in the trash? Is the janitorial crew properly trained in EOD?
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Old Sep 22, 2006 | 5:25 pm
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Originally Posted by stc
I find it hard to believe that people would still not know that water and liquids are banned thru security. It's all over the news. Your friends talk about it. And at the very least there are BIG SIGNS. So, maybe I can understand someone not understanding and bringing Peanut Butter (two big containers like 48oz each) in their carry-on. But, I cannot understand the person who had a plastic bottle full of what looked like home-brew iced tea. Sometimes you just gotta wonder.
We may be surprised, but believe it.

I am amazed at how few of my friends or office staff who do not travel don't "get it." Most of them thought it was just a 1 or 2 day thing. Guarantee the TSA will have a ton of fun at holiday time when droves of clueless infrequent travelers show up.
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