So I have been in and out of IND almost everyday for the past eight days and today show carnival changed!

D Terminal - 1115a for NW and of course lady guarding the metal detector says shoes off - I respond that I will do secondary. So the secondary asks the girl if they've gotten the new SOP? I say let's hope so.

Change: Only swab shoe. No patdown, no hand wand, etc. Big improvement.

Last month walked through TPA, forgot to take my shoes off - didn't set off the detector - and they never stopped me or gave me a second "look" ?? ^

Um, that's the way it is supposed to be

Most airports who follow the SOP, my hometown of MKE included, don't have the shoe fetish that some airports do, as the guidelines clearly state that passagners do not need to remove their shoes unless they(the shoes) a) set off the WTMD, or b) have a sole over 1" thick.

I work for airport ops and we understand that as of next week sometime if you have the shoes with the large soles and you don't want to take them off then you can have the etd screening done on them BUT if you alarm and it is your shoes and you don't take them off then you will get the whole wanding and limited pat-down so make sure they are medal free shoes. Also some other changes with selectee screening. I still am upset with the airlines and their laziness in not exempting a lot of the ssss on the boarding passes. They are the ones that select you, not TSA and when they don't exempt a soldier on a one way ticket or a couple rushing to a dying parents side on a last min ticket or a ticket change due to a cancellation it is bad. We get complaints from TSA because the airlines issues these tickets and they know the airline can over-ride this. We sometimes ask the person to go back to the ticket counter and tell them but most say it isn't worth the bother. We have a 99% satisfaction rate with our screeners, survey was done from a group for a week and they were very impressed with our group. We have a lot of elderly people in and out of our airport and they treat them great. Just hate that they get such a bad rap, we have a great group, maybe it is not the norm but we are happy with the job they do.

The only changes we've been briefed on at SAT pertain to checked baggage; and even then, we've already had a couple of flip-flops on procedure. So as of today, I'm still in the wait-and-see mode.

Rev 5 ch2.

Bart, I think we're flip flopping on the same procedures here. But the two new revisions every one is talking about pertain to the profile shoe policy and searching SSSS carryons. These are scheduled to start nation wide on Monday. These are full fledged SOP changes; I read it myself (in the SOP) yesterday.

Please, please tell me this new procedure has nothing to do with flip flops.

Only green flip flops on Tuesdays. Blue ones on Thursdays except for the first Thursday of the month, so on and so forth...

I had a discussion with the TSA supervisor there on the purpose of the sign posted along the security line. The sign said basically removing shoes are not required but "MAY" prolong the security screening procedure.

So when I tried to walk through with my shoes on the TSA told me I must remove my shoes or would face secondary screening. I told her to go back to grade school and learn the meaning of the word MAY. I was immediated tagged as unruly and she stopped the line and called for a supervisor. I had a couple hours to kill between flights so I chose to walk through the machine with my shoes on.

Wow!! What a rebel!!

I'll be looking for it; SOPs weren't available to us the last day I was at work (today being my RDO). Perhaps one of the office workers was busy updating them.

OMG! RELAXED SHOE AND SELECTEE RULES!!! I for one just cannot WAIT to get back down to the airport to experience the dignity and respect of personal groping in a friendly-fire Barefoot Dance of Coercion CP before it's all gone!

Dear me! (Hey: Ain't SOP somethin' ya do with stale bread?)

I'm hoping that the Lead I spoke with on Saturday morning at SFO hadn't received this new SOP yet.

For months they had been doing it properly and now they are going back to the shoe carnival again!

Is that different from Rev 5 Ch. 2 Subsection EWR ?