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eyecue Sep 15, 2005 10:26 am

Some changes are coming
 
Next week, the shoe rules are getting relaxed as is some of the SSSS procedures. Notice I did say relaxed! They arent going away totally but its getting more friendly for you.

SirFlysALot Sep 15, 2005 11:16 am


Originally Posted by eyecue
Next week, the shoe rules are getting relaxed as is some of the SSSS procedures. Notice I did say relaxed! They arent going away totally but its getting more friendly for you.

And you could tell us about this?! Cool! ^

windwalker Sep 15, 2005 11:42 am

Cool
Had a bit of a relax going through RDU this past Sat. Waved on through with shoes on

goalie Sep 15, 2005 11:54 am


Originally Posted by eyecue
Next week, the shoe rules are getting relaxed as is some of the SSSS procedures. Notice I did say relaxed! They arent going away totally but its getting more friendly for you.

thank you and hopefully it will be "a bit more relaxed" at sfo

Cholula Sep 15, 2005 11:55 am

eyecue, thanks for the heads-up. In another thread, I mentioned that there was probably some magic number of shoes that needed to be inspected, without finding a shoe bomb, before this frustrating policy would be relaxed or eliminated.
Guess that 10 billionth shoe must have passed through a WTMD in the last few days.

doober Sep 15, 2005 12:02 pm

It will be interesting to see how EWR handles this change.

MKEbound Sep 15, 2005 12:09 pm

Funny, I was given the SSSS treatment yesterday at LAN because I didn't remove my shoes (less than ½ inch thick/didn't set off the WTMD) The TSA guy wanded my head and bare legs, and patted down my front - stomach, chest and armpits; usually it's just the small of the back that gets the pat down.

PatrickHenry1775 Sep 15, 2005 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by Cholula
eyecue, thanks for the heads-up. In another thread, I mentioned that there was probably some magic number of shoes that needed to be inspected, without finding a shoe bomb, before this frustrating policy would be relaxed or eliminated.
Guess that 10 billionth shoe must have passed through a WTMD in the last few days.

It had not passed through CLE lately. I recently was there when 3 senior citizens were treated like deaf people with mental disabilities. One elderly gentleman was yelled at for not removing his jacket before entering the WTMD. Another man, age approximately 65, American, was the target of about 5 straight minutes of hand wanding because of something beeping. Several of us in line remarked that he looked like a terrorist who could quickly kill someone with a No. 2 pencil. Meanwhile, two airport/airline employees (individuals with laminated badges that appeared official-looking) walked through the WTMD with their work boots on. Neither beeped, but then again as we all know TSA is not just looking for metal (on passengers).

As several of us have sketched, with this protocol it would be simple for such an employee to smuggle through explosives to a comrade who dutifully removes his shoes at the WTMD. That terrorist passenger would then pick up employee's IED footwear in the "sterile" area. Once aboard the plane, BOOM! The irony is that it would be almost impossible to prove the switch of footwear, so the shoe carnival would return with a vengeance.

whirledtraveler Sep 15, 2005 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by goalie
thank you and hopefully it will be "a bit more relaxed" at sfo

I'm flying in and out of SFO next week. I'll report.

Lumpy Sep 15, 2005 6:16 pm

Jeepers! Next week the shoe and SSS rules are getting reLAXED!!! WOW!!! What'll we shoot for next? Dignity? Respect? The right to peacefully assemble...

...Nah! Wouldn't want to confuse anybody. So, how about free Tootsie Rolls instead of a constitution? Works for SOME, apparently...

channa Sep 15, 2005 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by doober
It will be interesting to see how EWR handles this change.


My thoughts exactly.

While I appreciate the heads up, given how many stations completely ignore SOP, what difference does an SOP change make? :confused:

LessO2 Sep 15, 2005 7:11 pm


Originally Posted by channa
My thoughts exactly.

While I appreciate the heads up, given how many stations completely ignore SOP, what difference does an SOP change make? :confused:

Like a red light in New York City....merely a suggestion.

I'm cautiously optimistic about these purported changes.

Xyzzy Sep 15, 2005 9:29 pm

The other week the EWR terminal A TSA folks were telling people that if they didn't want to take their shoes off it was okay but they *had* to go to the new puffer machine in one of the lanes. Somehow I doubt any new rules will have an effect on EWR. They seem to make them up as they go.

AArlington Sep 15, 2005 10:09 pm

Great. I just acquiesed and bought some of those new slip-on dress shoes to ease my airport experience. At least those shoes are comfortable.

SDF_Traveler Sep 16, 2005 8:33 am

Does this apply at EWR too?
 
Want to start taking bet's if any of these changes will be implimented at EWR?

SDF_Traveler


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