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Why do a pat down if the person is only wearing a bra and panties?
And what if the person would not have worn any bra and/or panties? What would then the result be? Arrest for indicent exposure? And why would a male come into a room when a woman has been ordered to stirip to her undies? I thought male's were not allowed to be a part of a female search. To me he was since he didnt know if she was dressed or not. Unless they have hidden cameras in there. |
this is disturbing on so many levels
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Originally Posted by gnorwost2
(Post 16572113)
Bart owes OP an apology.
I'm sorry this happened to you, nco4242. |
Originally Posted by nco4242
(Post 16572016)
I was placed in a room with one woman and another woman came in and asked me to remove my blouse - not bra and to lower my pants (jeans) to my knees, the one then went over me with the wand and then the other told me she was going to do a pat down which she did. They were professional about it, no complaint there stricky business like. When they were done they filled out some form they had on clip board, told me to redress then left and the guy came in, at which point I was already redressed.
I don't take any pills, and I just use simple soap and water when traveling because personally I hate some loaded down with smells. As I said I had little in my purse and as far as I know nothing has been in contact with anything unusual. |
Originally Posted by nco4242
(Post 16572016)
I was placed in a room with one woman and another woman came in and asked me to remove my blouse - not bra and to lower my pants (jeans) to my knees, the one then went over me with the wand and then the other told me she was going to do a pat down which she did. They were professional about it, no complaint there stricky business like. When they were done they filled out some form they had on clip board, told me to redress then left and the guy came in, at which point I was already redressed.
I don't take any pills, and I just use simple soap and water when traveling because personally I hate some loaded down with smells. As I said I had little in my purse and as far as I know nothing has been in contact with anything unusual. You need to talk to a lawyer, someone in high authority at that airport, the media, the ACLU, and possibly the police. TSA repeatedly denies that they do this to people they force into the private room, but what happened to you is why I believe nobody should ever let themselves be forced into the private room, even if it means not flying. Once the passenger us in that room, TSA is unchecked in their control. |
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Don't get me wrong: I am absolutely revolted by this and would not myself consent. However, I have to ask: What is the law about strip searches at airports if the TSA claims "reasonable suspicion" of some sort? Are they permitted? By the TSA, or must they call in an LEO? What are the rights of the passenger? Is there a threshhold of suspicion that must be met? What exactly are our rights?
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Originally Posted by tanja
(Post 16572241)
Why do a pat down if the person is only wearing a bra and panties?
This is another reason to turn on your cell phone's a/v during screening. Mine has no trouble capturing audio from within my tote bag. |
HO. LY. COW.
I would have been screaming so loud they would have heard me at BOS. Can even "real cops" just demand that you start stripping with no apparent justification? I'm looking for a clear statement from a TSA screener person as to whether this is now SOP for all ETD alarms, and also whether it applies to medical opt-outs. Yes or no, TSA peeps?? |
Originally Posted by gnorwost2
(Post 16572113)
Bart owes OP an apology.
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From reading all this I guess the term I used strip search was wrong or not depending on who is responding. To my mind it is when they ask to remove clothing but perhaps I am incorrect. I was not asked to remove my bra or underwear.
I have no complaint with the way the ladies did it as I said it was professional. The man did not come back into the room until I was fully redressed and I have no complaints as to his treatment of me with the exception that he did not answer my question. I am just really wondering what they think they found on me that gave them this positive test. I never though people would get so worked up over this issue I though this was just some fluke and I happened to be the person involved. |
Where are our friendly TSOs who were so sure this did not happen?
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Originally Posted by nco4242
(Post 16572542)
From reading all this I guess the term I used strip search was wrong or not depending on who is responding. To my mind it is when they ask to remove clothing but perhaps I am incorrect. I was not asked to remove my bra or underwear.
I have no complaint with the way the ladies did it as I said it was professional. The man did not come back into the room until I was fully redressed and I have no complaints as to his treatment of me with the exception that he did not answer my question. I am just really wondering what they think they found on me that gave them this positive test. I never though people would get so worked up over this issue I though this was just some fluke and I happened to be the person involved. The fact that you are so nonchalant about most of this is indicative of why we here have not managed to be very successful yet in changing the mindset of many travellers. May I ask how often you fly? |
Originally Posted by nco4242
(Post 16572542)
From reading all this I guess the term I used strip search was wrong or not depending on who is responding. To my mind it is when they ask to remove clothing but perhaps I am incorrect. I was not asked to remove my bra or underwear.
Did you protest these demands when they were made? Were you told what would happen in the private room before you went along? I concur with exbayern above: I'm not trying to pass judgement, but I think many of us would be astounded that you seemingly do not have an issue with the indignity you were forced to undergo. |
Originally Posted by nco4242
(Post 16572542)
From reading all this I guess the term I used strip search was wrong or not depending on who is responding. To my mind it is when they ask to remove clothing but perhaps I am incorrect. I was not asked to remove my bra or underwear.
I have no complaint with the way the ladies did it as I said it was professional. The man did not come back into the room until I was fully redressed and I have no complaints as to his treatment of me with the exception that he did not answer my question. I am just really wondering what they think they found on me that gave them this positive test. I never though people would get so worked up over this issue I though this was just some fluke and I happened to be the person involved. That makes no sence at all. That is wrong. I would be very insulted and feel like I am being sexual molested.Cause they would patdown my bra and undies.And that is perverted. Then to me it is safer to be totally naked and not being touched at all. And to that point I hope I never get. |
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