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Mar 24, 2011 | 9:10 pm
#48
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 3,004
"That's the job". Another example of apparatchikspeak. Another "justification" of outrage. I wonder what impels these guys to post this transparently bureaucratic BS here, where they KNOW they can only heap insult on injury. Are they that dense? Are they that petty? Or is this their idea of "educating" all us poor outsiders about the holiness and necessity of their perverse mission?
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Mar 24, 2011 | 9:10 pm
#49
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,051
I'll never be a beleiver that they honestly expect the infants, old ladies, people in wheelchairs, etc are terrorists. It is just the sort of thing the human mind does when there is danger of a bad consciousness. It dupes itself into believing preposterous things. Review Milgram experiment.
Mar 24, 2011 | 9:11 pm
#50
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 3,657
Apparently, TSA disagrees with you. Otherwise, there would be no reason to pursue identity-based screening.
Mar 24, 2011 | 9:13 pm
#51
Suspended
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 3,728
Apparently, TSA disagrees with you. Otherwise, there would be no reason to pursue identity-based screening.
Unless, of course, the BDO program really is the sham that any rational person believes it to be.
Mar 25, 2011 | 4:16 am
#53
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: CMH
Programs: Delta Gold Medallion, United
Posts: 433
Getting back to “unwarranted and hateful diatribe’s”, like I said they are the norm here. Rarely are they supported by anything even close to facts, but that is the nature of diatribes isn’t it. And to write such a comment about my fairly reasonable and rational reply to her diatribe only focus’s attention on your agenda, not the facts. Then again, that also is the norm here.
But then again, what do I know? According to you, I'm ignorant, as are several other reasonable posters. Or asking for it, aka LeeAnne.
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Mar 25, 2011 | 10:30 am
#54
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,425
There is no way for the TSA to tell who is and who is not a terrorist. History has shown that anyone can be a terrorist, kids, moms, dads, old, young, whatever. History has also shown that terrorists will use our social mores against us when making their plans. My father sent me a picture the other day of a very old Mexican woman who had been stopped at an ICE checkpoint. She appeared to be fairly normal, until she was screened. She had what appeared to be more than 75 pounds of heroin or cocaine strapped to her body under her clothing. Imagine the damage that could have done had it been semtex.
Leanne has a metal back brace on. WTMD would have been useless. AIT less so, but it still would have required a pat down. A pat down is the only way for a TSO in such a situation to determine that no prohibited items are being introduced into the sterile area. If you know of another way, let’s hear it. Sure they pressed, that’s the job, and it’s required because of the things that can be hidden. There is plenty of information available on the web about what those could be, be a responsible consumer and make the effort to find out about them. From what Leanne said in her little story, she presented the screeners with a fairly complicated problem, one that they did their best in dealing with, and they did with integrity. She knew what she was getting into, she made a choice. Now she wants to complain about it. So, should I feel sorry for someone who has decided to subject themselves to something that they know will cause them pain? She obviously thought that the pain was worth the gain, otherwise she would have made different arrangements. No reason to feel sorry for her there.
Leanne has a metal back brace on. WTMD would have been useless. AIT less so, but it still would have required a pat down. A pat down is the only way for a TSO in such a situation to determine that no prohibited items are being introduced into the sterile area. If you know of another way, let’s hear it. Sure they pressed, that’s the job, and it’s required because of the things that can be hidden. There is plenty of information available on the web about what those could be, be a responsible consumer and make the effort to find out about them. From what Leanne said in her little story, she presented the screeners with a fairly complicated problem, one that they did their best in dealing with, and they did with integrity. She knew what she was getting into, she made a choice. Now she wants to complain about it. So, should I feel sorry for someone who has decided to subject themselves to something that they know will cause them pain? She obviously thought that the pain was worth the gain, otherwise she would have made different arrangements. No reason to feel sorry for her there.
Your reaction is gee she asked for it. Amazing response. Every time you post you reaffirm why TSA folks should have ZERO ability to perform these sadistic actions.
You gratuitously insulted a person that you had previously assured would be treated with respect when she traveled with a back brace. I believe the tone of that particulor post would properly be termed "unctuous". Yet she was assaulted just like she feared.
So we can see what these assurances are worth. They are worth about as much as the legal expertise.
They pressed on the back brace to see if it would cause her pain, and they gratuitously felt over her private parts. Did the brace extend down there? No.
Looking at every person at that airport as a dangerous terrorist having to be proved clear is ludicrous when you look at the odds. 700 million plus and no terrorist incidents. And this is certainly not due to your agencies high success rates at catching them. So far, you have caught no one.
Few if any other countries conduct themselves the way you folks do. That is a fact. Yet their record is on a par with TSA's. That TSA chooses to violate people's dignity, violate their own governing Constitution, and cause physical and mental pain, unlike those other countries' screeners, show that at base TSA is hostile to the passengers. Which is reflected in the language you directed at LeeAnn.
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Mar 25, 2011 | 10:49 am
#55
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Nashville, TN - BNA
Programs: Hilton Gold, WN RR
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Picture me standing up, clapping and cheering. Lady, I'd vote for you for President. You rule.
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Leanne has a metal back brace on. WTMD would have been useless. AIT less so, but it still would have required a pat down. A pat down is the only way for a TSO in such a situation to determine that no prohibited items are being introduced into the sterile area. If you know of another way, lets hear it. Sure they pressed, thats the job, and its required because of the things that can be hidden.
That's the job? THAT'S THE JOB?? THAT is your justification for them pushing on my surgical incisions, which I specifically told them would cause me excruciating pain? Wow. Just...wow. NOTHING was accomplished by doing that, except causing me excruciating pain.
As for the pat-down...again, what could they possibly find? Especially when she was rubbing my buttocks, thighs and pubis. As explained before, I was wearing tight black leggings that hid nothing. What could I possibly have hid under there, that rubbing me would have found? If I wanted to carry some semtex, I could have just shoved it up my vagina or rectum, and she could have rubbed my but and clit all she wanted - she never would have felt it. So again I ask you...what purpose was served by doing that do me?
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From what Leanne said in her little story, she presented the screeners with a fairly complicated problem, one that they did their best in dealing with, and they did with integrity. She knew what she was getting into, she made a choice.
Well again, let's take a look at the way you speak to us, your customers. My "little" story? Sorry, but it was not little to me. I was sexually groped by a stranger, in public, AND I was physically assaulted in such a manner that caused me severe pain until I cried out. Against my will. How DARE you minimize that?
As for dealing with it with integrity - apparently you didn't actually READ my story. That supervisor in BUR who got all up in my face, interrupting my legitimate questions about what "clearing" my backbrace would entail, refusing to answer my questions and threatening me with not flying - that had integrity? The OKC TOS's making me stand for many minutes without my cane, while the "female assist" left me there and stacked bins before she bothered to come over? The TSO pressing on my incisions after I specifically asked her not to, then putting her hands on my genitals? Methinks you have a warped concept of the term "integrity".
Leanne has a metal back brace on. WTMD would have been useless. AIT less so, but it still would have required a pat down. A pat down is the only way for a TSO in such a situation to determine that no prohibited items are being introduced into the sterile area. If you know of another way, lets hear it. Sure they pressed, thats the job, and its required because of the things that can be hidden.
That's the job? THAT'S THE JOB?? THAT is your justification for them pushing on my surgical incisions, which I specifically told them would cause me excruciating pain? Wow. Just...wow. NOTHING was accomplished by doing that, except causing me excruciating pain.
As for the pat-down...again, what could they possibly find? Especially when she was rubbing my buttocks, thighs and pubis. As explained before, I was wearing tight black leggings that hid nothing. What could I possibly have hid under there, that rubbing me would have found? If I wanted to carry some semtex, I could have just shoved it up my vagina or rectum, and she could have rubbed my but and clit all she wanted - she never would have felt it. So again I ask you...what purpose was served by doing that do me?
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From what Leanne said in her little story, she presented the screeners with a fairly complicated problem, one that they did their best in dealing with, and they did with integrity. She knew what she was getting into, she made a choice.
Well again, let's take a look at the way you speak to us, your customers. My "little" story? Sorry, but it was not little to me. I was sexually groped by a stranger, in public, AND I was physically assaulted in such a manner that caused me severe pain until I cried out. Against my will. How DARE you minimize that?
As for dealing with it with integrity - apparently you didn't actually READ my story. That supervisor in BUR who got all up in my face, interrupting my legitimate questions about what "clearing" my backbrace would entail, refusing to answer my questions and threatening me with not flying - that had integrity? The OKC TOS's making me stand for many minutes without my cane, while the "female assist" left me there and stacked bins before she bothered to come over? The TSO pressing on my incisions after I specifically asked her not to, then putting her hands on my genitals? Methinks you have a warped concept of the term "integrity".
Mar 25, 2011 | 11:06 am
#56
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 438
Fortunately I have no interest in running for office. What I DO have an interest in, is being allowed to fly without being sexually assaulted. 
Mar 25, 2011 | 11:12 am
#57
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 438
Your reaction is gee she asked for it. Amazing response. Every time you post you reaffirm why TSA folks should have ZERO ability to perform these sadistic actions.
You gratuitously insulted a person that you had previously assured would be treated with respect when she traveled with a back brace. I believe the tone of that particulor post would properly be termed "unctuous". Yet she was assaulted just like she feared.
So we can see what these assurances are worth. They are worth about as much as the legal expertise.
They pressed on the back brace to see if it would cause her pain, and they gratuitously felt over her private parts. Did the brace extend down there? No.
Looking at every person at that airport as a dangerous terrorist having to be proved clear is ludicrous when you look at the odds. 700 million plus and no terrorist incidents. And this is certainly not due to your agencies high success rates at catching them. So far, you have caught no one.
Few if any other countries conduct themselves the way you folks do. That is a fact. Yet their record is on a par with TSA's. That TSA chooses to violate people's dignity, violate their own governing Constitution, and cause physical and mental pain, unlike those other countries' screeners, show that at base TSA is hostile to the passengers. Which is reflected in the language you directed at LeeAnn.
You gratuitously insulted a person that you had previously assured would be treated with respect when she traveled with a back brace. I believe the tone of that particulor post would properly be termed "unctuous". Yet she was assaulted just like she feared.
So we can see what these assurances are worth. They are worth about as much as the legal expertise.
They pressed on the back brace to see if it would cause her pain, and they gratuitously felt over her private parts. Did the brace extend down there? No.
Looking at every person at that airport as a dangerous terrorist having to be proved clear is ludicrous when you look at the odds. 700 million plus and no terrorist incidents. And this is certainly not due to your agencies high success rates at catching them. So far, you have caught no one.
Few if any other countries conduct themselves the way you folks do. That is a fact. Yet their record is on a par with TSA's. That TSA chooses to violate people's dignity, violate their own governing Constitution, and cause physical and mental pain, unlike those other countries' screeners, show that at base TSA is hostile to the passengers. Which is reflected in the language you directed at LeeAnn.
Mar 25, 2011 | 1:13 pm
#58
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: California. USA
Posts: 1,404
TSORON
So with other words. If my elderly mom has issue/problems in my birth country and I have to fly out on the next plane.
That I caused it to be groped?
That sound really SICK to me.
S omething is really wrong here. This is not the country I moved to.
So with other words. If my elderly mom has issue/problems in my birth country and I have to fly out on the next plane.
That I caused it to be groped?
That sound really SICK to me.
S omething is really wrong here. This is not the country I moved to.
Mar 25, 2011 | 5:45 pm
#59
Original Poster
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 2,195
Classic avoidance of the facts. Intentional ignorance. Duly noted.
If you go to the airport you know that you will be screened. You know that it may include AIT screening. You also know that it may include a physical pat-down. If you still go to the airport, even knowing all of the above, then yes, you have asked for that screening and all it entails, or may entail. You are making a conscious choice to submit yourself and your property for screening. Your choice. You can always make another choice, a different choice. No one is going to force you to go through screening.
In life there is always more to something than just the thing one seeks. You want to drive, you must have a license. You want to eat, you must buy groceries, or grow them yourself. You want to open your own business, you must pay taxes. There are no exceptions to this truth. The same applies for every form of travel. Walking, one must adhere to the rules. Biking, the same thing. Flying, the same. Just as with driving. One cannot just jump on a bike and go, you have to learn how first. Second, you have laws that you must adhere to or pay the consequences. These are things well beyond the control of the TSA, and ourselves. Complaining about them does nothing but move air.
I don’t know if you have told us when you moved to our country, your new country. What I know is that this is not the same country I remember from my youth either. When I was a kid we played Army, even at school. Now days playing Army will get a kids suspended or expelled. When I was a kid we knew that we could identify the enemy, but today that line is quite blurred. Yes, things are quite different than when I grew up. And I believe that if you go to visit your ailing mother that you will find that things have changed quite a bit there as well. Tis the nature of things Tanja, and not something that can be controlled.
In life there is always more to something than just the thing one seeks. You want to drive, you must have a license. You want to eat, you must buy groceries, or grow them yourself. You want to open your own business, you must pay taxes. There are no exceptions to this truth. The same applies for every form of travel. Walking, one must adhere to the rules. Biking, the same thing. Flying, the same. Just as with driving. One cannot just jump on a bike and go, you have to learn how first. Second, you have laws that you must adhere to or pay the consequences. These are things well beyond the control of the TSA, and ourselves. Complaining about them does nothing but move air.
I don’t know if you have told us when you moved to our country, your new country. What I know is that this is not the same country I remember from my youth either. When I was a kid we played Army, even at school. Now days playing Army will get a kids suspended or expelled. When I was a kid we knew that we could identify the enemy, but today that line is quite blurred. Yes, things are quite different than when I grew up. And I believe that if you go to visit your ailing mother that you will find that things have changed quite a bit there as well. Tis the nature of things Tanja, and not something that can be controlled.
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Mar 25, 2011 | 9:50 pm
#60
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Grand Rapids, MI
Programs: none, I don't have money to travel
Posts: 102
My story included nothing but facts. Care to question any of them? I still have the whole experience on audio tape. I will happily play for you the parts where the supe in BUR repeatedly interrupted my questions with threats, or the part where I cried out in pain in OKC, or the part where I said "This is so intrusive!" when the TSO rubbed my pubis. What's not a fact?