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Mar 19, 2011 | 7:54 pm
#17
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It has been my observation that the statement "You didn't get the joke" is usually made by one who is incapable of understanding that it wasn't funny.
Mar 19, 2011 | 8:01 pm
#18
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 270
Well, Ronny, go ahead and cut yet another notch in your belt.
As the uber anti-ambassador of your organization, it seems that your continued posting arrogance, lack of sensitivity, and inability to defuse a situation just may have goaded another traveller into the lifetime TSO hater club.
I'm sure your co-workers will once again fully appreciate the suspicion and distrust they will receive from not only the poster you insulted on this thread, but from many others who read your inappropriate response as well.
Nice work, as usual.
As the uber anti-ambassador of your organization, it seems that your continued posting arrogance, lack of sensitivity, and inability to defuse a situation just may have goaded another traveller into the lifetime TSO hater club.
I'm sure your co-workers will once again fully appreciate the suspicion and distrust they will receive from not only the poster you insulted on this thread, but from many others who read your inappropriate response as well.
Nice work, as usual.
Mar 19, 2011 | 10:06 pm
#20
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: SE Asia
Posts: 647
LeeAnn your story is heartbreaking and it angers me that people like TSORon can justify what was done to you and to thousands of others on a daily basis in the US. It's disgusting. These people should be thrown in jail and publicly humiliated for what they get away with. Enough! And anyone who can justify what is done, TSORon for example, is just as guilty. Your day will come....and believe me, no jury in this country will accept what you are doing.
Mar 19, 2011 | 11:25 pm
#21
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 959
Mar 19, 2011 | 11:39 pm
#22
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 108
Well, Ronny, go ahead and cut yet another notch in your belt.
As the uber anti-ambassador of your organization, it seems that your continued posting arrogance, lack of sensitivity, and inability to defuse a situation just may have goaded another traveller into the lifetime TSO hater club.
I'm sure your co-workers will once again fully appreciate the suspicion and distrust they will receive from not only the poster you insulted on this thread, but from many others who read your inappropriate response as well.
Nice work, as usual.
As the uber anti-ambassador of your organization, it seems that your continued posting arrogance, lack of sensitivity, and inability to defuse a situation just may have goaded another traveller into the lifetime TSO hater club.
I'm sure your co-workers will once again fully appreciate the suspicion and distrust they will receive from not only the poster you insulted on this thread, but from many others who read your inappropriate response as well.
Nice work, as usual.
Last edited by scoow; Mar 20, 2011 at 12:17 am Reason: personal attack
Mar 20, 2011 | 9:19 am
#23
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 855
And what "facts" would those be? What "facts" could possibly justify what was done to me, or to my elderly disabled mother? What "facts" could justify my mother being forced to urinate on herself, and then publicly YELLED AT for doing so, when the TSO shoved her hand between her legs and felt her dampness there? What "facts" could justify a TSO pressing so hard on her recent breast-cancer-surgery incision to make her cry out in pain?
And what "facts" would make it okay for a stranger to push on my back brace so hard that it pressed into my recent surgical wound, causing me to cry out in pain? What "facts" would make it okay for this same stranger to rub her hand over my pubis, pressing on my clitoris?
There was nothing even remotely appropriate in the rubbing of my sex organs that I was subjected to by your co-workers. For you to say so is disgusting, and shows your true colors. Only a pervert would think that is acceptable.
Really? So when I was made to stand for several minutes in a glass box, without being allowed to sit, without the benefit of my cane to lean on? When the TSO called for a female assist, and she took her time coming over, and stopped to stack trays before she bothered? And then, I was submitted to not one but TWO intensely thorough friskings, for no reason other than the fact that I must wear a medical device? While all the healthy, able-bodied passengers walked on by, gawking at me, unmolested?
YOU are the one who needs to look up the definition of "sexual assault". But since you seem unable to do so, I will post it here for you:
"Sexual assault takes many forms including attacks such as rape or attempted rape, as well as any unwanted sexual contact or threats. Usually a sexual assault occurs when someone touches any part of another person's body in a sexual way, even through clothes, without that person's consent."
A stranger rubbed her hands all over my buttocks, and then rubbed her hands over my pubis, pressing in on it to the point where I felt it on my clitoris. So, I take it you wouldn't mind if I did that to your wife? To your daughter? To your mother?
Go ahead, tell me that this woman pressing on my pubis and clitoris wasn't sexual assault. I WAS THERE. I felt it. Those are the exact actions my husband takes when he wants to excite me sexually.
If someone stopped me in the street and did those things to me, are you telling me I couldn't have them arrested?
Oh, and I would LOVE to go to court and show the judge and/or jury what this woman did to me. I would LOVE to have her held accountable for rubbing her hand on my sex organs for no reason other than the fact that I was wearing a medical device.
Oh really? So the sacrifices of the parents of American service members don't count? Those of us who watch children get sent into harms way, and who might very well lose our children in their fight to defend our nation's freedom - OUR sacrifice means nothing to you? Funny - I just spent two days being thanked profusely by my son's superiors and other Army dignitaries at every event of my son's combat training graduation. I take their opinion way more seriously than yours. THEY don't hold jobs that require them to sexually assault me.
The only ignorance on display in here is yours. Go ahead, give me some "facts" that show that the TSA has done a single thing of value to this nation. Name one terrorist they have caught, or even stopped. Name one terrorist act they have prevented.
You and your ilk make me sick.
Now, mind if I come over and do to your female family members, exactly what that TSO did to me? Yeah...didn't think so.
And what "facts" would make it okay for a stranger to push on my back brace so hard that it pressed into my recent surgical wound, causing me to cry out in pain? What "facts" would make it okay for this same stranger to rub her hand over my pubis, pressing on my clitoris?
There was nothing even remotely appropriate in the rubbing of my sex organs that I was subjected to by your co-workers. For you to say so is disgusting, and shows your true colors. Only a pervert would think that is acceptable.
Really? So when I was made to stand for several minutes in a glass box, without being allowed to sit, without the benefit of my cane to lean on? When the TSO called for a female assist, and she took her time coming over, and stopped to stack trays before she bothered? And then, I was submitted to not one but TWO intensely thorough friskings, for no reason other than the fact that I must wear a medical device? While all the healthy, able-bodied passengers walked on by, gawking at me, unmolested?
YOU are the one who needs to look up the definition of "sexual assault". But since you seem unable to do so, I will post it here for you:
"Sexual assault takes many forms including attacks such as rape or attempted rape, as well as any unwanted sexual contact or threats. Usually a sexual assault occurs when someone touches any part of another person's body in a sexual way, even through clothes, without that person's consent."
A stranger rubbed her hands all over my buttocks, and then rubbed her hands over my pubis, pressing in on it to the point where I felt it on my clitoris. So, I take it you wouldn't mind if I did that to your wife? To your daughter? To your mother?
Go ahead, tell me that this woman pressing on my pubis and clitoris wasn't sexual assault. I WAS THERE. I felt it. Those are the exact actions my husband takes when he wants to excite me sexually.
If someone stopped me in the street and did those things to me, are you telling me I couldn't have them arrested?
Oh, and I would LOVE to go to court and show the judge and/or jury what this woman did to me. I would LOVE to have her held accountable for rubbing her hand on my sex organs for no reason other than the fact that I was wearing a medical device.
Oh really? So the sacrifices of the parents of American service members don't count? Those of us who watch children get sent into harms way, and who might very well lose our children in their fight to defend our nation's freedom - OUR sacrifice means nothing to you? Funny - I just spent two days being thanked profusely by my son's superiors and other Army dignitaries at every event of my son's combat training graduation. I take their opinion way more seriously than yours. THEY don't hold jobs that require them to sexually assault me.
The only ignorance on display in here is yours. Go ahead, give me some "facts" that show that the TSA has done a single thing of value to this nation. Name one terrorist they have caught, or even stopped. Name one terrorist act they have prevented.
You and your ilk make me sick.
Now, mind if I come over and do to your female family members, exactly what that TSO did to me? Yeah...didn't think so.
I think most women are very reluctant to explicitly describe the experiences you relate, and I'm grateful to you for being forthright.
The TSA has been getting away with the unspeakable because we won't speak.
Thank you so much for saying what the rest of us are too mealy-mouthed to say.
Mar 20, 2011 | 3:37 pm
#24
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Well, Ronny, go ahead and cut yet another notch in your belt.
As the uber anti-ambassador of your organization, it seems that your continued posting arrogance, lack of sensitivity, and inability to defuse a situation just may have goaded another traveller into the lifetime TSO hater club.
I'm sure your co-workers will once again fully appreciate the suspicion and distrust they will receive from not only the poster you insulted on this thread, but from many others who read your inappropriate response as well.
Nice work, as usual.
As the uber anti-ambassador of your organization, it seems that your continued posting arrogance, lack of sensitivity, and inability to defuse a situation just may have goaded another traveller into the lifetime TSO hater club.
I'm sure your co-workers will once again fully appreciate the suspicion and distrust they will receive from not only the poster you insulted on this thread, but from many others who read your inappropriate response as well.
Nice work, as usual.
Perhaps his FSD, who I believe is Daniel Liddell, should be asked to review his writings here.
OTOH, perhaps he is not really employed by the TSA.
Mar 20, 2011 | 4:40 pm
#25
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Ottawa
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I know I should not be astounded but I am. Astounded that even the TSA, and I do believe this forum is monitored by the TSA, can not see the damage he is doing to his employer through his inane posts and tell him to cease and desist posting under his screen name.
Perhaps his FSD, who I believe is Daniel Liddell, should be asked to review his writings here.
OTOH, perhaps he is not really employed by the TSA.
Perhaps his FSD, who I believe is Daniel Liddell, should be asked to review his writings here.
OTOH, perhaps he is not really employed by the TSA.
Mar 20, 2011 | 4:40 pm
#26
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 2,425
Well, Ronny, go ahead and cut yet another notch in your belt.
As the uber anti-ambassador of your organization, it seems that your continued posting arrogance, lack of sensitivity, and inability to defuse a situation just may have goaded another traveller into the lifetime TSO hater club.
I'm sure your co-workers will once again fully appreciate the suspicion and distrust they will receive from not only the poster you insulted on this thread, but from many others who read your inappropriate response as well.
Nice work, as usual.
As the uber anti-ambassador of your organization, it seems that your continued posting arrogance, lack of sensitivity, and inability to defuse a situation just may have goaded another traveller into the lifetime TSO hater club.
I'm sure your co-workers will once again fully appreciate the suspicion and distrust they will receive from not only the poster you insulted on this thread, but from many others who read your inappropriate response as well.
Nice work, as usual.
yikes. I can't believe that someone representing the TSA would post such an unwarranted and hateful diatriabe. What a wonderful display of concern and empathy. Yet another reason why such people are the last ones we want to have ANY physical power over our bodies whatsoever. These TSA creatures need to stick to sniffing the contents of carry-ons.
Mar 20, 2011 | 5:15 pm
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Mar 24, 2011 | 4:50 pm
#28
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^^^^
yikes. I can't believe that someone representing the TSA would post such an unwarranted and hateful diatriabe. What a wonderful display of concern and empathy. Yet another reason why such people are the last ones we want to have ANY physical power over our bodies whatsoever. These TSA creatures need to stick to sniffing the contents of carry-ons.
yikes. I can't believe that someone representing the TSA would post such an unwarranted and hateful diatriabe. What a wonderful display of concern and empathy. Yet another reason why such people are the last ones we want to have ANY physical power over our bodies whatsoever. These TSA creatures need to stick to sniffing the contents of carry-ons.
I dont represent the TSA, lets get that straight. I am a TSO, just as some here are lawyers, doctors, and business people. Does PTravel represent every attorney in the country in your mind? How about caradoc, does he or she represent every doctor? How about Leanne? Are you of the opinion that she represents every mother of a soldier? Imagine just how stupid it would be if you did. But for some reason you seem to think that I represent every member of the TSA, and you believe that is a logical position. Wow.
Leanne asked about facts. OK, here are the facts.
There is no way for the TSA to tell who is and who is not a terrorist. History has shown that anyone can be a terrorist, kids, moms, dads, old, young, whatever. History has also shown that terrorists will use our social mores against us when making their plans. My father sent me a picture the other day of a very old Mexican woman who had been stopped at an ICE checkpoint. She appeared to be fairly normal, until she was screened. She had what appeared to be more than 75 pounds of heroin or cocaine strapped to her body under her clothing. Imagine the damage that could have done had it been semtex.
Leanne has a metal back brace on. WTMD would have been useless. AIT less so, but it still would have required a pat down. A pat down is the only way for a TSO in such a situation to determine that no prohibited items are being introduced into the sterile area. If you know of another way, lets hear it. Sure they pressed, thats the job, and its required because of the things that can be hidden. There is plenty of information available on the web about what those could be, be a responsible consumer and make the effort to find out about them. From what Leanne said in her little story, she presented the screeners with a fairly complicated problem, one that they did their best in dealing with, and they did with integrity. She knew what she was getting into, she made a choice. Now she wants to complain about it. So, should I feel sorry for someone who has decided to subject themselves to something that they know will cause them pain? She obviously thought that the pain was worth the gain, otherwise she would have made different arrangements. No reason to feel sorry for her there.
Getting back to unwarranted and hateful diatribes, like I said they are the norm here. Rarely are they supported by anything even close to facts, but that is the nature of diatribes isnt it. And to write such a comment about my fairly reasonable and rational reply to her diatribe only focuss attention on your agenda, not the facts. Then again, that also is the norm here.
Mar 24, 2011 | 5:00 pm
#29
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,964
Are we certain that the brace was metal? Many are plastic.
Why are the hand held wands no longer used to assess dressings? Many people have dressings with no metal pieces, and I don't understand the need or desire to press down on the injury to 'clear' it. That has been reported many times here by several of us.
On the side topic, I would like to think that I have generally avoided 'hateful diatribes' and name calling since I began posting here. But I will say (as I have said before) that my opinion of the TSA changed in large part due to what I read here and on the TSA blog. There are effective ways to get the point across, and that applies to all sides of the argument.
I don't know which came first - the chicken or the egg, but I do still read posts from some TSOs who manage to respond to questions with respect and candor (when possible). I'd like to see the relationship repaired on both sides but unfortunately I don't know if that is even possible anymore.
As a somewhat neutral party however who avoids hyperbole and name calling, I do know how and why my opinions changed.
Why are the hand held wands no longer used to assess dressings? Many people have dressings with no metal pieces, and I don't understand the need or desire to press down on the injury to 'clear' it. That has been reported many times here by several of us.
On the side topic, I would like to think that I have generally avoided 'hateful diatribes' and name calling since I began posting here. But I will say (as I have said before) that my opinion of the TSA changed in large part due to what I read here and on the TSA blog. There are effective ways to get the point across, and that applies to all sides of the argument.
I don't know which came first - the chicken or the egg, but I do still read posts from some TSOs who manage to respond to questions with respect and candor (when possible). I'd like to see the relationship repaired on both sides but unfortunately I don't know if that is even possible anymore.
As a somewhat neutral party however who avoids hyperbole and name calling, I do know how and why my opinions changed.
Mar 24, 2011 | 5:03 pm
#30
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 733
There is no way for the TSA to tell who is and who is not a terrorist. History has shown that anyone can be a terrorist, kids, moms, dads, old, young, whatever. History has also shown that terrorists will use our social mores against us when making their plans. My father sent me a picture the other day of a very old Mexican woman who had been stopped at an ICE checkpoint. She appeared to be fairly normal, until she was screened. She had what appeared to be more than 75 pounds of heroin or cocaine strapped to her body under her clothing. Imagine the damage that could have done had it been semtex.
After all, every time my testicles are rubbed, I'm grateful 75 pounds of semtex can't get by the fancy Junkatron and TSA standard genital rub.
Then I hear about people like Minnetta Walker and realize those 75 pounds of semtex will still get on a plane, even though people like you make me relive the horror of my father's touch. Thanks for being an upstanding human being.
Here's a fact for you to chew on:
There is a far greater proportion of thieves, pedophiles, rapists, and lazy people who don't do their job at TSA than are terrorists in the flying public. You want to treat us all as guilty until proven innocent, turnabout's fair play.