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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 12:04 am
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Originally Posted by DevilDog438
That is not listed as being an "actual" image. There is no way to independently validate that 300dpi is the highest resolution available to the imaging display.
The 300dpi is meaningless to the discussion; all it affects is the size of the image when printed on paper. I can open the file in Photoshop and change it to 1million dpi without changing anything else.

The file as shown probably reflects around 0.1 inches per pixel (10 pixels per physical inch; a ballpark estimate) of resolution. For all I know the actual resolution could be higher. However, the JPEG compression has clearly obfuscated many details. If the actual machines display this image (with the JPEG artifacts), then then machines' designers are clearly inept.

(This is not a commentary on the machines, but I do find them disgusting, both as a waste of taxpayer $, and because they are far too intrusive.)

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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 2:02 am
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The biggest proof that the images are revealing is that passengers are not allowed to see their own images or the person analyzing them.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 4:16 am
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OP, I know that you are busy starting new threads, but in case you were not aware there are at least two threads with posters asking you to return to answer a question and/or clarify your post. I believe that we would appreciate it if you could continue the conversation which you began on those threads.

Thank you.

And interesting new thread, by the way.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 6:05 am
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Originally Posted by Superguy
If you really want to get into uncompressed pics, you're looking at bitmaps (BMP) files. My photographer friend has a camera that encodes both in raw and jpeg pics so she can pick the format depending on the needs. Having both on the camera at the same time also saves her time in converting to jpeg and compressing them later.
They're definitely using some sort of RAW format, then converting to a low-resolution, smaller sized JPG which they then enlarged to put on their website.

The idea that a 150,000$ real-time strip search machine would have a maximum resolution less than that of a 100$ digital camera mass produced ten years ago is insane.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 6:16 am
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Originally Posted by eyecue
OMG I cant believe you.
1. The site is the proof. The page is on the TSA portion of the makers site.
2. You know and it is well posted that there is no way to capture any images that TSA sees of actual passengers. I operate one of those machines and when the program is running there is nothing that you can do with the computer except use the manufacturers software that is on the computer. You cannot cut and paste, you cannot access the drives, you cannot do ANYTHING except look at the pictures and move to the next picture.
3. The only thing that is not posted that is different are the GUI controls for image and those are manufacturer proprietary.
You all will note that he mentioned nothing about deleting the image, just moving on to the next one.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 7:42 am
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Originally Posted by eyecue
Hmmm thats why the new pat down goes there.
Your statement above proves the futility of using the AIT since the "new" pat down is required after imaging anyway. You will say that not everyone has to be patted down after AIT, but experience is showing this not to be the case.

There is absolutely no excuse for us to be viewed virtually naked and then groped within an inch of our lives. It is laughable and the terroists are having a celebration because they have accomplished their goal.

If DHS took the AIT money and spent it on quality employees, speedy and complete background checks, and high-level education training of same, we all would be flying safer and without animosity.

I am fortunate to have a personal friendshup with one of my Congress Critters and we have open dialogue on the TSA security theatre. Every time I run into something offensive I add it to the file and let them know. I have hopes that persistence will pay off. Thanks to the flyers our FT group has provided, I will be passing them out to over 500 meeting planners at a conference in November, who will then let their clients know. Reach who you can when you can.

I am also fortunate that my CEO sides with me on AIT so if I get the "do you want to fly today" attitude, I may not make the trip. I have started buying the refundable tickets
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 7:45 am
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Originally Posted by eyecue
HAving worked with the machine for years, I can tell you that what you see is what you get. Plus with the expensiveness of this machine I would doubt that the maker would want to be accused of false advertising. With all the press that this thing is getting it would not be in anyones best interest to change the images one way or another.
Exactly how long have you been working with WBI Strip Search Machines and in what capacity?

Originally Posted by FriendlySkies
I know this would never happen, but I think it would help to dispel some rumors about the images if TSA allowed somebody from the general public, maybe an FTer, to visit the screening room

I know, false hopes, right?
I volunteered over on the TSA Blog some months ago to do just that. Be screened with WBI and report exactly what I saw, good or bad.

No one from TSA made an attempt to contact me and accept my offer.

TSA does not want the public to know what the real images look like.

As discussed in another thread Blogger Bob at one time claimed the images released by TSA were exactly what screeners saw then later said he never made that claim.

TSA has been dishonest from day one with information about WBI Strip Search Machines and any discussion of WBI from anyone associated with TSA cannot be accepted as truth.

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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 8:13 am
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Hey eyecue when are you going to give up?

Your continued postings here are not going to sway us to your point of view.

The people who post on here are smarter than your average Kettle traveler and we know what is wrong and right with the current state of affairs because we travel ALL THE TIME.

Something that I'm sure you don't do.

We have experiences from around the country and globe.



Now......with that being said........

Come over and lay on my x-ray table. I have an mAs & KV that I'd like to set on the equipment and aim the beam right at your groin.

Then I'm going to take that picture and post it all over the internet as proof that even my ionizing radiation can show the world what your penis looks like.

@:-)

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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by eyecue
Hey your doing good with this! The answer is that he is wearing briefs. If he had a jock on you would not see the scrotal sack at the back of the anal cleft.
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Hmmm thats why the new pat down goes there.
So is this an admission that most probably with the WBI, the Christmas Day bomber's "package" would have gone undetected?
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 8:48 am
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Originally Posted by trvlr64
Hey eyecue ...The people who post on here are smarter than your average Kettle traveler and we know what is wrong and right with the current state of affairs because we travel ALL THE TIME.

Something that I'm sure you don't do.

We have experiences from around the country and globe. ...
^

Originally Posted by ND Sol
So is this an admission that most probably with the WBI, the Christmas Day bomber's "package" would have gone undetected?
^
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 9:21 am
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I have it from very reliable sources that the resolution of the L3 MMW scanner is about 10X better than the published image, and the artifacts are pretty much gone. TSA will not allow L3 to publish a higher resolution image, as they have an agenda, primary of which is not to scare the kettles.
All cases where the press and others are allowed in the resolution room are simulations, specifically designed for the press and the kettles.
My guy says "you would be shocked by the current state of the art". The images you see are 5-7 years old, and after more than 50 software and hardware upgrades, and $10M in R&D, they approach the Rapiscan in resolution (about 0.1mm).
The Rapiscan resolution and image processing has also improved, but not as fast as the L3. Of course TSA is hiding the images, but some will leak eventually, and that will create quite a furor. ^
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 9:25 am
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I can guarantee you the images are at a minimum 10x what the public is seeing....

and that is all i will say.
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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 10:28 am
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When i read this thread and all other threads, including mine.

I cant help about thinking about my dear grandfather. Born and raised in Sweden. He was born 1883.
He told me a lot of times how the naked skin was viewed in the 1800 and 1900. It was a time when if you even saw a toe it was very special.
That was his words to me when a I was a young teenager and asked him about his youth.
Now when I hear all this TSA and other security people talking it is scary. They say it is just an image and nobdy knows it is you. Maybe not. But the TSA standing outside the "box" knows it. All other people around me knows it. Plus the person who is viewing knows that there is a tiny lady in there. All that is enough for me. So little respect for the human body and privacy.
Sure science goes foward all the time. But should morals and self respect just vanish with it.
That kind of science I can and will be without.
If it means that I have to stop flying I will.

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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 10:45 am
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Originally Posted by eyecue
I wont argue with that point except to say that there is only one login for our user account, the maintenance/service mode account is unknown to us.
let me ask you, how much x-ray or radiological training have you received?

how about one of you clowns saying "oh that didn't work, we have to do you again?"

Will you be issuing dosimeters?

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Old Oct 23, 2010 | 10:48 am
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Originally Posted by Wimpie
I have it from very reliable sources that the resolution of the L3 MMW scanner is about 10X better than the published image, and the artifacts are pretty much gone. TSA will not allow L3 to publish a higher resolution image, as they have an agenda, primary of which is not to scare the kettles.
All cases where the press and others are allowed in the resolution room are simulations, specifically designed for the press and the kettles.
My guy says "you would be shocked by the current state of the art". The images you see are 5-7 years old, and after more than 50 software and hardware upgrades, and $10M in R&D, they approach the Rapiscan in resolution (about 0.1mm).
The Rapiscan resolution and image processing has also improved, but not as fast as the L3. Of course TSA is hiding the images, but some will leak eventually, and that will create quite a furor. ^
That is BS. The whole post is BS.
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