Best AIT example
#31




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The file as shown probably reflects around 0.1 inches per pixel (10 pixels per physical inch; a ballpark estimate) of resolution. For all I know the actual resolution could be higher. However, the JPEG compression has clearly obfuscated many details. If the actual machines display this image (with the JPEG artifacts), then then machines' designers are clearly inept.
(This is not a commentary on the machines, but I do find them disgusting, both as a waste of taxpayer $, and because they are far too intrusive.)
Last edited by ralfp; Oct 23, 2010 at 4:20 am Reason: grammar
#33

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OP, I know that you are busy starting new threads, but in case you were not aware there are at least two threads with posters asking you to return to answer a question and/or clarify your post. I believe that we would appreciate it if you could continue the conversation which you began on those threads.
Thank you.
And interesting new thread, by the way.
Thank you.
And interesting new thread, by the way.
#34
Join Date: Aug 2010
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If you really want to get into uncompressed pics, you're looking at bitmaps (BMP) files. My photographer friend has a camera that encodes both in raw and jpeg pics so she can pick the format depending on the needs. Having both on the camera at the same time also saves her time in converting to jpeg and compressing them later.
The idea that a 150,000$ real-time strip search machine would have a maximum resolution less than that of a 100$ digital camera mass produced ten years ago is insane.
#35
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OMG I cant believe you.
1. The site is the proof. The page is on the TSA portion of the makers site.
2. You know and it is well posted that there is no way to capture any images that TSA sees of actual passengers. I operate one of those machines and when the program is running there is nothing that you can do with the computer except use the manufacturers software that is on the computer. You cannot cut and paste, you cannot access the drives, you cannot do ANYTHING except look at the pictures and move to the next picture.
3. The only thing that is not posted that is different are the GUI controls for image and those are manufacturer proprietary.
1. The site is the proof. The page is on the TSA portion of the makers site.
2. You know and it is well posted that there is no way to capture any images that TSA sees of actual passengers. I operate one of those machines and when the program is running there is nothing that you can do with the computer except use the manufacturers software that is on the computer. You cannot cut and paste, you cannot access the drives, you cannot do ANYTHING except look at the pictures and move to the next picture.
3. The only thing that is not posted that is different are the GUI controls for image and those are manufacturer proprietary.
#36
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Illinois
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Your statement above proves the futility of using the AIT since the "new" pat down is required after imaging anyway. You will say that not everyone has to be patted down after AIT, but experience is showing this not to be the case.
There is absolutely no excuse for us to be viewed virtually naked and then groped within an inch of our lives. It is laughable and the terroists are having a celebration because they have accomplished their goal.
If DHS took the AIT money and spent it on quality employees, speedy and complete background checks, and high-level education training of same, we all would be flying safer and without animosity.
I am fortunate to have a personal friendshup with one of my Congress Critters and we have open dialogue on the TSA security theatre. Every time I run into something offensive I add it to the file and let them know. I have hopes that persistence will pay off. Thanks to the flyers our FT group has provided, I will be passing them out to over 500 meeting planners at a conference in November, who will then let their clients know. Reach who you can when you can.
I am also fortunate that my CEO sides with me on AIT so if I get the "do you want to fly today" attitude, I may not make the trip. I have started buying the refundable tickets
There is absolutely no excuse for us to be viewed virtually naked and then groped within an inch of our lives. It is laughable and the terroists are having a celebration because they have accomplished their goal.
If DHS took the AIT money and spent it on quality employees, speedy and complete background checks, and high-level education training of same, we all would be flying safer and without animosity.
I am fortunate to have a personal friendshup with one of my Congress Critters and we have open dialogue on the TSA security theatre. Every time I run into something offensive I add it to the file and let them know. I have hopes that persistence will pay off. Thanks to the flyers our FT group has provided, I will be passing them out to over 500 meeting planners at a conference in November, who will then let their clients know. Reach who you can when you can.
I am also fortunate that my CEO sides with me on AIT so if I get the "do you want to fly today" attitude, I may not make the trip. I have started buying the refundable tickets
#37
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HAving worked with the machine for years, I can tell you that what you see is what you get. Plus with the expensiveness of this machine I would doubt that the maker would want to be accused of false advertising. With all the press that this thing is getting it would not be in anyones best interest to change the images one way or another.
No one from TSA made an attempt to contact me and accept my offer.
TSA does not want the public to know what the real images look like.
As discussed in another thread Blogger Bob at one time claimed the images released by TSA were exactly what screeners saw then later said he never made that claim.
TSA has been dishonest from day one with information about WBI Strip Search Machines and any discussion of WBI from anyone associated with TSA cannot be accepted as truth.
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#38
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Hey eyecue when are you going to give up?
Your continued postings here are not going to sway us to your point of view.
The people who post on here are smarter than your average Kettle traveler and we know what is wrong and right with the current state of affairs because we travel ALL THE TIME.
Something that I'm sure you don't do.
We have experiences from around the country and globe.
Now......with that being said........
Come over and lay on my x-ray table. I have an mAs & KV that I'd like to set on the equipment and aim the beam right at your groin.
Then I'm going to take that picture and post it all over the internet as proof that even my ionizing radiation can show the world what your penis looks like.
@:-)
Your continued postings here are not going to sway us to your point of view.
The people who post on here are smarter than your average Kettle traveler and we know what is wrong and right with the current state of affairs because we travel ALL THE TIME.
Something that I'm sure you don't do.
We have experiences from around the country and globe.
Now......with that being said........
Come over and lay on my x-ray table. I have an mAs & KV that I'd like to set on the equipment and aim the beam right at your groin.
Then I'm going to take that picture and post it all over the internet as proof that even my ionizing radiation can show the world what your penis looks like.
@:-)
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#39




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#40
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Hey eyecue ...The people who post on here are smarter than your average Kettle traveler and we know what is wrong and right with the current state of affairs because we travel ALL THE TIME.
Something that I'm sure you don't do.
We have experiences from around the country and globe. ...
Something that I'm sure you don't do.
We have experiences from around the country and globe. ...
^
#41
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I have it from very reliable sources that the resolution of the L3 MMW scanner is about 10X better than the published image, and the artifacts are pretty much gone. TSA will not allow L3 to publish a higher resolution image, as they have an agenda, primary of which is not to scare the kettles.
All cases where the press and others are allowed in the resolution room are simulations, specifically designed for the press and the kettles.
My guy says "you would be shocked by the current state of the art". The images you see are 5-7 years old, and after more than 50 software and hardware upgrades, and $10M in R&D, they approach the Rapiscan in resolution (about 0.1mm).
The Rapiscan resolution and image processing has also improved, but not as fast as the L3. Of course TSA is hiding the images, but some will leak eventually, and that will create quite a furor. ^
All cases where the press and others are allowed in the resolution room are simulations, specifically designed for the press and the kettles.
My guy says "you would be shocked by the current state of the art". The images you see are 5-7 years old, and after more than 50 software and hardware upgrades, and $10M in R&D, they approach the Rapiscan in resolution (about 0.1mm).
The Rapiscan resolution and image processing has also improved, but not as fast as the L3. Of course TSA is hiding the images, but some will leak eventually, and that will create quite a furor. ^
#43
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When i read this thread and all other threads, including mine.
I cant help about thinking about my dear grandfather. Born and raised in Sweden. He was born 1883.
He told me a lot of times how the naked skin was viewed in the 1800 and 1900. It was a time when if you even saw a toe it was very special.
That was his words to me when a I was a young teenager and asked him about his youth.
Now when I hear all this TSA and other security people talking it is scary. They say it is just an image and nobdy knows it is you. Maybe not. But the TSA standing outside the "box" knows it. All other people around me knows it. Plus the person who is viewing knows that there is a tiny lady in there. All that is enough for me. So little respect for the human body and privacy.
Sure science goes foward all the time. But should morals and self respect just vanish with it.
That kind of science I can and will be without.
If it means that I have to stop flying I will.
I cant help about thinking about my dear grandfather. Born and raised in Sweden. He was born 1883.
He told me a lot of times how the naked skin was viewed in the 1800 and 1900. It was a time when if you even saw a toe it was very special.
That was his words to me when a I was a young teenager and asked him about his youth.
Now when I hear all this TSA and other security people talking it is scary. They say it is just an image and nobdy knows it is you. Maybe not. But the TSA standing outside the "box" knows it. All other people around me knows it. Plus the person who is viewing knows that there is a tiny lady in there. All that is enough for me. So little respect for the human body and privacy.
Sure science goes foward all the time. But should morals and self respect just vanish with it.
That kind of science I can and will be without.
If it means that I have to stop flying I will.
Last edited by tanja; Oct 23, 2010 at 10:41 am
#44
Join Date: Oct 2009
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how about one of you clowns saying "oh that didn't work, we have to do you again?"
Will you be issuing dosimeters?
#45
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I have it from very reliable sources that the resolution of the L3 MMW scanner is about 10X better than the published image, and the artifacts are pretty much gone. TSA will not allow L3 to publish a higher resolution image, as they have an agenda, primary of which is not to scare the kettles.
All cases where the press and others are allowed in the resolution room are simulations, specifically designed for the press and the kettles.
My guy says "you would be shocked by the current state of the art". The images you see are 5-7 years old, and after more than 50 software and hardware upgrades, and $10M in R&D, they approach the Rapiscan in resolution (about 0.1mm).
The Rapiscan resolution and image processing has also improved, but not as fast as the L3. Of course TSA is hiding the images, but some will leak eventually, and that will create quite a furor. ^
All cases where the press and others are allowed in the resolution room are simulations, specifically designed for the press and the kettles.
My guy says "you would be shocked by the current state of the art". The images you see are 5-7 years old, and after more than 50 software and hardware upgrades, and $10M in R&D, they approach the Rapiscan in resolution (about 0.1mm).
The Rapiscan resolution and image processing has also improved, but not as fast as the L3. Of course TSA is hiding the images, but some will leak eventually, and that will create quite a furor. ^


