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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:06 pm
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Originally Posted by eyecue
OMG I cant believe you.
2. You know and it is well posted that there is no way to capture any images that TSA sees of actual passengers. I operate one of those machines and when the program is running there is nothing that you can do with the computer except use the manufacturers software that is on the computer. You cannot cut and paste, you cannot access the drives, you cannot do ANYTHING except look at the pictures and move to the next picture.
Actually, we know that the systems are required to be able to store the images. Your user account simply doesn't have rights to access that function.
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:06 pm
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It is readily apparent to me that the male individual is wearing either briefs or an athletic supporter, both of which would hold the entire exterior penile complex higher on the anatomy (i.e., I don't think there is anything anatomically incorrect with the male subject). However, the mere fact that I can see the bottom of the scrotal sac, along with the anal cleft, in a 300dpi rear-view image means this shows too much detail.
Hey your doing good with this! The answer is that he is wearing briefs. If he had a jock on you would not see the scrotal sack at the back of the anal cleft.
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:09 pm
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Originally Posted by DevilDog438
FYI - MPEG is a video format (also lossy in detail), while GIF (not Jiff - which is close to the name of a peanut butter) is a static image format (also lossy in detail).
And GIF is usually only for 256 colors or less, making JPEG's a much better format for pics.

If you really want to get into uncompressed pics, you're looking at bitmaps (BMP) files. My photographer friend has a camera that encodes both in raw and jpeg pics so she can pick the format depending on the needs. Having both on the camera at the same time also saves her time in converting to jpeg and compressing them later.

It wouldn't surprise me if the NoS had something similar given TSA's obsession with having as much detail as possible to determine if something's safe (can't be too careful ya know ). A raw image for the screener to see very clearly with a jpeg that's "good enough" if one had to be saved (for "training purposes" of course).
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:09 pm
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It's also common practice to dumb down images on a website so they're not ripped off or anything like that. Usually to get the "full monty" one has to schedule an appointment with the rep/photographer/etc to see what it's really capable of. Website shots are just a teaser in many cases.
HAving worked with the machine for years, I can tell you that what you see is what you get. Plus with the expensiveness of this machine I would doubt that the maker would want to be accused of false advertising. With all the press that this thing is getting it would not be in anyones best interest to change the images one way or another.
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:09 pm
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Originally Posted by eyecue
Hey your doing good with this! The answer is that he is wearing briefs. If he had a jock on you would not see the scrotal sack at the back of the anal cleft.
So you're saying wearing a jock could possibly aid in defeating this? Who knows what one could hide in the folds of his balls?

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HAving worked with the machine for years, I can tell you that what you see is what you get. Plus with the expensiveness of this machine I would doubt that the maker would want to be accused of false advertising.
It's not false advertising to deliver more than what's promised.

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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:12 pm
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Actually, we know that the systems are required to be able to store the images. Your user account simply doesn't have rights to access that function.
I wont argue with that point except to say that there is only one login for our user account, the maintenance/service mode account is unknown to us.

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So you're saying wearing a jock could possibly aid in defeating this? Who knows what one could hide in the folds of his balls?
Hmmm thats why the new pat down goes there.

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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Superguy
And GIF is usually only for 256 colors or less, making JPEG's a much better format for pics.

If you really want to get into uncompressed pics, you're looking at bitmaps (BMP) files. My photographer friend has a camera that encodes both in raw and jpeg pics so she can pick the format depending on the needs. Having both on the camera at the same time also saves her time in converting to jpeg and compressing them later.

It wouldn't surprise me if the NoS had something similar given TSA's obsession with having as much detail as possible to determine if something's safe (can't be too careful ya know ). A raw image for the screener to see very clearly with a jpeg that's "good enough" if one had to be saved (for "training purposes" of course).
Getting OT here, but I always capture in NEF (Nikon's version of RAW) and JPEG. If the JPEG looks good enough for casual work (family casual pics), I'll print. If I need to work the picture, the NEF gets pulled into CS4.

Personally, I would be very surprised if the RAW feed was not what is shown to the TSO on either WBI system.
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:15 pm
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Originally Posted by eyecue
1. The site is the proof. The page is on the TSA portion of the makers site.
So? How does that prove that the image you've linked is identical in size and resolution to those seen by the degenerates operating TSA's strip-search technology?

2. You know and it is well posted that there is no way to capture any images that TSA sees of actual passengers. I operate one of those machines and when the program is running there is nothing that you can do with the computer except use the manufacturers software that is on the computer. You cannot cut and paste, you cannot access the drives, you cannot do ANYTHING except look at the pictures and move to the next picture.
Actually, that's not true. And you know it, since it's been "well posted." And none of that addresses the question of why people seeking an accurate example of what the degenerates operating TSA's strip-search technology see should have to go to a third-party site, rather than TSA's own.

3. The only thing that is not posted that is different are the GUI controls for image and those are manufacturer proprietary.
Again, prove it. We have absolutely no reason to take you at your word, given your choice of profession.
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:17 pm
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Originally Posted by Superguy
It's not false advertising to deliver more than what's promised.



Fixed it for you.
Cool but you have to take my word for it and I know that none of you trust me or anything that TSA has to say, however what is depicted on the site is exactly correct. So skeptics that you are, you can go away believing that I am a liar if you wish. I am just trying to shed some light on this without going over into what I cannot say.

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So? How does that prove that the image you've linked is identical in size and resolution to those seen by the degenerates operating TSA's strip-search technology?



Actually, that's not true. And you know it, since it's been "well posted." And none of that addresses the question of why people seeking an accurate example of what the degenerates operating TSA's strip-search technology see should have to go to a third-party site, rather than TSA's own.



Again, prove it. We have absolutely no reason to take you at your word, given your choice of profession.
Hey at least I tried. I am not rife with insults about things like you constantly calling TSA degenerates. The reason that the TSA cannot show their own images is because it would involve storing them and then reproducing them and then posting them. That has several issues to overcome that cannot be overcome. The least of which is the fact that it would be the government doing it. Since the manufacturer is doing it, the TSA can defer to them for representative images. WHile they may be a THIRD PARTY, the are the manufacturer and therefore are afforded some credibility. If TSA was to post actual images then someone would turn around and say that TSA lied because the TSA said that it could not capture any images. It is a no win situation.
As far as my credibility is concerned. There are some people on here that can vouch for me. I have had some interesting and pleasant conversations and even helped people solve issues or put them in contact with people that can solve issues. AS far as them coming forward and telling you on this forum that I am an up and up guy? I cant say that they would do that. Some people on here have to save face.

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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:30 pm
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I know this would never happen, but I think it would help to dispel some rumors about the images if TSA allowed somebody from the general public, maybe an FTer, to visit the screening room

I know, false hopes, right?
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:33 pm
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I know this would never happen, but I think it would help to dispel some rumors about the images if TSA allowed somebody from the general public, maybe an FTer, to visit the screening room

I know, false hopes, right?
I dont know about that. That is like 30 levels over my head. I can tell you though that not even LEO's are allowed to see the images.
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:34 pm
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Originally Posted by eyecue
I dont know about that. That is like 30 levels over my head. I can tell you though that not even LEO's are allowed to see the images.
But CBS and a camera are allowed to film inside the imaging room?

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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:36 pm
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Originally Posted by eyecue
Hmmm thats why the new pat down goes there.
Gotta find that little bit of water that might be snuck, eh?

So what's next? Checking vaginal cavities? After all, the NoS could be defeated by that too so they should be checked too. Can't be too careful!
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:47 pm
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Gotta find that little bit of water that might be snuck, eh?

So what's next? Checking vaginal cavities? After all, the NoS could be defeated by that too so they should be checked too. Can't be too careful!
That is why there are layers of security.
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Old Oct 22, 2010 | 11:53 pm
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That is why there are layers of security.
bolding mine

You really meant 'layers of horse s**t., didn't ya?

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