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Old Oct 9, 2010 | 9:53 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
So im a little confused, as I am sure you are aware of this fact, as to why you ask how a special needs person can find out how they can be screened? You should know the answer - they can contact a TSA employee, by phone, email, or in person and explaining their particular situation, ask. It is not secret, as you seem to suggest. Or did I misread your question/statement?
What do you define by "special needs"? Is it the same as everyone else? Are all "special needs" similiar? I'll answer - they are not. I can easily list dozens and dozens of situations where special needs changes from person to person, and that would not cover nearly all special needs people, be they child or adult. So how can contacting a TSA employee by phone, e-mail or in person answer the question?

But since "it is not a secret" answer us this.

A special needs person, wearing an adult diaper, goes through the AIT. If there are contents in the adult diaper, how exactly will he be cleared?

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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 9:25 am
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Originally Posted by TSORon
There is more than enough information available to people to make an informed decision. They only need seek it. Failure to do so is not the fault of the TSA, at some point people must take responsiblitiy for their own actions and stop blaming someone, anyone, else for their own failures.
The TSA REFUSES to provide OFFICIAL information regarding screening procedures. Sure, we can infer on what they are without official information, based on personal experience and ancedotes from those who have been through hell at the hands of you and your buddies.

However, until YOUR EMPLOYER provides official information on screening procedures, we're only able to guess.

That you support this position 100% is a crying shame. How can you call yourself an American? A real American would have walked from this long ago.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 9:44 am
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[QUOTE=mikemey;14918615]The TSA REFUSES to provide OFFICIAL information regarding screening procedures. Sure, we can infer on what they are without official information, based on personal experience and ancedotes from those who have been through hell at the hands of you and your buddies.

However, until YOUR EMPLOYER provides official information on screening procedures, we're only able to guess.

That you support this position 100% is a crying shame. How can you call yourself an American? A real American would have walked from this long ago.[/QUOTE]


Seems you may have answered your on question.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 1:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Tom M.
What do you define by "special needs"? Is it the same as everyone else? Are all "special needs" similiar? I'll answer - they are not. I can easily list dozens and dozens of situations where special needs changes from person to person, and that would not cover nearly all special needs people, be they child or adult. So how can contacting a TSA employee by phone, e-mail or in person answer the question?

But since "it is not a secret" answer us this.

A special needs person, wearing an adult diaper, goes through the AIT. If there are contents in the adult diaper, how exactly will he be cleared?
Nice try at a trick question. Can I ask you annuinest question, do you or someone you know wear adult diapers? Honest answer please. Or are you just looking for something to find fault with?

Here is the problem with your question (and there is an answer or I should say many multiple answers): what kind of contents? How much contents? What kind of garnet is being worn above the diaper? How tightly/loose does that garnet fit the person? Is the garnet skirt, pants, shorts, etc. How well can we see the contours of the body under eat the clothing? I could go on....and each variable changes how that person may be or may NOT be screened.

You also seem to be making assumptions regarding the WBIs. What do they say about assumptions...?


However, usually what you ask will result in no additional screening. Why should it? Let's imagine the contents are liquid, or almost entirely so. Wet clothing is no problem for the WBIs. If so, every passenger rained on would receive a pat-down. Spill your drink on your pants before you go through the WBI, no problems.

Again, you seem to be making assumptions about the WBI. But that's ok. Personally, I believe you and others here will never be happy with them. So feel free to be critical of what I have written.

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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 1:51 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
Again, you seem to be making assumptions about the WBI.
Gee, it's almost like your agency and its clerks and apologists have been consistently dishonest and evasive about this strip-search technology from day one.

So feel free to be critical of what I have written.
We kind of have to, since you people won't be honest about them. Keep in mind that you yourself claim that images that show people's genitals are somehow not nude images. It's not as though you have a single shred of credibility or something.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 2:08 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
So im a little confused, as I am sure you are aware of this fact, as to why you ask how a special needs person can find out how they can be screened? You should know the answer - they can contact a TSA employee, by phone, email, or in person and explaining their particular situation, ask. It is not secret, as you seem to suggest. Or did I misread your question/statement?
Except that you, and other TSOs here, have stated that you won't explain the details as to how a physical screening is conducted ... because those details are SSI.

There is an inherent contradiction between "if you have a question, ask" and "I can't reveal the details because they're SSI."
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 2:37 pm
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Originally Posted by JSmith1969
Gee, it's almost like your agency and its clerks and apologists have been consistently dishonest and evasive about this strip-search technology from day one.



We kind of have to, since you people won't be honest about them. Keep in mind that you yourself claim that images that show people's genitals are somehow not nude images. It's not as though you have a single shred of credibility or something.
Yawn. I guess a a dead horse can always be beaten.

Originally Posted by jkhuggins
Except that you, and other TSOs here, have stated that you won't explain the details as to how a physical screening is conducted ... because those details are SSI.

There is an inherent contradiction between "if you have a question, ask" and "I can't reveal the details because they're SSI."
And this is what actually confuses me. Any "alarm" can be cleared using pat-downs, HHMD, ETD. You know this. So what specifically are you asking?

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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 2:43 pm
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FYI - The MM Wave scanners cannot see through wet clothing. It's the moisture content of the human tissue that creates the image by absorption of the waves. That's why (1) the images are fuzzier than x-ray (2) They are foiled by wet clothing or conductive fabrics.

The X-Ray kind can see through wet clothing, conductive fabric -no problem.

Good thing I don't work for TSA - I'm sure the above is SSI
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 2:51 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
Yawn. I guess a a dead horse can always be beaten.
Thanks for admitting these are legitimate points you're incapable of addressing.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 3:04 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
Nice try at a trick question. Can I ask you annuinest question, do you or someone you know wear adult diapers?
I have no idea what 'annuinest' is, but my answer is 'Yes'. It has been no issue in his travels around much of the world.

And they have requested one 'last' trip to Hawaii. I am extremely hesitent to take him to the United States, although I do wish to honour that request, based mostly on what I read here from TSOs.

Originally Posted by SATTSO
Any "alarm" can be cleared using pat-downs, HHMD, ETD. You know this. So what specifically are you asking?
I will ask the question in another attempt:

Will a TSO perform a pat-down on an injury?

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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 4:51 pm
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My grandson is 8 with adult diapers.
And No it is not only liquid in the diapers.

What would happen to him? He is very aware that he has private parts and diapers. But he cant control it all.

Originally Posted by exbayern
I will ask the question in another attempt:

Will a TSO perform a pat-down on an injury?
Seems like they want to make sure it is not a fake injury.

Great.

I am not proud any more to live in this country. And I use to be.

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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by JSmith1969
Thanks for admitting these are legitimate points you're incapable of addressing.
If you think so. More power to ya.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 5:11 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
And this is what actually confuses me. Any "alarm" can be cleared using pat-downs, HHMD, ETD. You know this. So what specifically are you asking?
Ah ... but there are pat-downs, and there are pat-downs. At least, that's what the report seems to be.

It used to be that a pat-down never directly touched one's genitalia; if a pat-down in that area was required, it was always conducted with the back of the hand, and always carefully announced in advance. Now, there are tons of reports that a much more invasive form of pat-down is in use in some (but not all) locations --- in particular, involving using the front of the hand to screen the genitalia, and perhaps even involving squeezing the bits-and-pieces.

TSA won't confirm anything about these new screening techniques, except that "enhanced patdowns [are] part of our layered approach to security". So, there's no way for a common passenger to know (a) if they're going to be required to receive a patdown, (b) whether or not that pat-down will be "enhanced" or "non-enhanged", and (c) in either case, specifically what physical contact will be required in either scenario.

So, suppose for a moment that I'm the legal guardian of a passenger for whom physical contact is a concern. (The reason doesn't matter; pick your favorite reason.) How am I supposed to prepare my ward for a TSA checkpoint ... when TSA won't tell me what to expect?
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 5:13 pm
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Originally Posted by exbayern
I have no idea what 'annuinest' is, but my answer is 'Yes'. It has been no issue in his travels around much of the world.

And they have requested one 'last' trip to Hawaii. I am extremely hesitent to take him to the United States, although I do wish to honour that request, based mostly on what I read here from TSOs.
Stupid auto-correction on my phone....meant to ask the other poster "honest". Oh well.

Nah, adult diapers are not a problem. Oh, people here like so spread fear. But wearing then wi not be an issue.
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Old Oct 10, 2010 | 5:17 pm
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Originally Posted by SATTSO
Stupid auto-correction on my phone....meant to ask the other poster "honest". Oh well.

Nah, adult diapers are not a problem. Oh, people here like so spread fear. But wearing then wi not be an issue.
What is that suppose to mean./ That you will look in the diaper?
Can you change it to while you are at it?
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