Organized resistance to WBI/invasive patdowns
Aug 31, 2010, 11:14 am
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TSA is ignoring/refusing FOIA requests for health & radiation testing of the scanners:
http://epic.org/privacy/body_scanner...Rad_Appeal.pdf
That should be mentioned on any fliers.
http://epic.org/privacy/body_scanner...Rad_Appeal.pdf
That should be mentioned on any fliers.
Aug 31, 2010, 12:23 pm
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TSA is ignoring/refusing FOIA requests for health & radiation testing of the scanners:
http://epic.org/privacy/body_scanner...Rad_Appeal.pdf
That should be mentioned on any fliers.
http://epic.org/privacy/body_scanner...Rad_Appeal.pdf
That should be mentioned on any fliers.
Aug 31, 2010, 2:21 pm
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Good points.
#1: This design can target an educated audience (wiser)?
#2: Not all outcomes may take place. When printed, check a few boxes?
#3: The backscatter X-ray risks are clearer than the active millimeter wave risks. Is there more information?
For a tri-fold format, additional content is needed. Is double-sided printing doable?
#1: This design can target an educated audience (wiser)?
#2: Not all outcomes may take place. When printed, check a few boxes?
#3: The backscatter X-ray risks are clearer than the active millimeter wave risks. Is there more information?
For a tri-fold format, additional content is needed. Is double-sided printing doable?
I strongly believe that whatever is put out needs to be completely transparent and reveal what will happen if you opt-out, i.e., the possibility of an extremely invasive "enhanced" pat down - think prison inmate.
I fear that if we do not do that, some poor person will think he/she is just going to waltz through a pat down only to find said pat down bordered on sexual assault. We then will have lost one potential supporter.
It's a fine line to walk and I realize that it's difficult as we could scare people away from opting out because they are so put off regarding such a pat down. Therefore, we need language to suggest that neither WBI nor "enhanced" pat downs are necessary to maintain security in the air. I think emphasis should also be put on the ability to hide things in body cavities which are not image-able.
This is my first thought re language:
"Please realize that when you opt out, you will be subjected to a pat down. You might find that "enhanced" pat down humiliating and disturbing. The TSA screener might touch your genitals in a way that could seem to you to be sexual assault.
If you feel you or your child were touched inappropriately, please file a complaint with the Transportation Security Administration at:......................"
Aug 31, 2010, 4:17 pm
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Aug 31, 2010, 5:38 pm
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I like how a TSA agent is apparently embarassed by his small penis, so you guys put his name in a flier to hand out at airports.
Either you have permission, in which case he couldn't have been that embarrassed, or you don't, in which case you seem to be sacrificing someone else's privacy for your own.
Either you have permission, in which case he couldn't have been that embarrassed, or you don't, in which case you seem to be sacrificing someone else's privacy for your own.
Aug 31, 2010, 5:45 pm
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I like how a TSA agent is apparently embarassed by his small penis, so you guys put his name in a flier to hand out at airports.
Either you have permission, in which case he couldn't have been that embarrassed, or you don't, in which case you seem to be sacrificing someone else's privacy for your own.
Either you have permission, in which case he couldn't have been that embarrassed, or you don't, in which case you seem to be sacrificing someone else's privacy for your own.
Aug 31, 2010, 6:24 pm
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Aug 31, 2010, 8:01 pm
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The Press is getting a little less Pro-Scanner
while the scanners are undoubtedly powerful and able to locate dangerous materials and devices in an efficient manner, they also give airport officials the ability to essentially see underneath people’s clothing: the scans are detailed enough to identify a person’s gender. In addition, the beam is powerful enough to identify a passenger’s surgery scars, or to discern whether a woman is on her menstrual cycle or not.
San Diego Entertainer
http://www.sdentertainer.com/news/ts...ional-airport/
Aug 31, 2010, 8:05 pm
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We need more reviews like this.^^
San Diego Entertainer
http://www.sdentertainer.com/news/ts...ional-airport/
San Diego Entertainer
http://www.sdentertainer.com/news/ts...ional-airport/
The people should be hit on the head with the facts until they wake up and do something.
In other news, how are the pamphlets coming? Can I help with anything? I'm willing to help write, edit, Paypal money for a domain registration or two. I've got some friends who have asked me to send them pamphlets and point them to websites so they can help spread the word as well.
Aug 31, 2010, 8:10 pm
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I like how a TSA agent is apparently embarassed by his small penis, so you guys put his name in a flier to hand out at airports.
Either you have permission, in which case he couldn't have been that embarrassed, or you don't, in which case you seem to be sacrificing someone else's privacy for your own.
Either you have permission, in which case he couldn't have been that embarrassed, or you don't, in which case you seem to be sacrificing someone else's privacy for your own.
Seems the cat is out of the bag.
Aug 31, 2010, 9:48 pm
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I have the usage rights. I can send the email to you or you can contact the person yourself.
Here's the bulk of our conversation:
Same image with different image processing and size:
http://rupture.co.uk/Terminal%204.html
Incidentally, this is the image that epic.org used in their most recent law suit demanding suspension of the nude-o-scope program.
Here's the bulk of our conversation:
Same image with different image processing and size:
http://rupture.co.uk/Terminal%204.html
Incidentally, this is the image that epic.org used in their most recent law suit demanding suspension of the nude-o-scope program.
It might be better to post the link in this thread for others to use
,A skeleton of the trifold format is no longer available. This flyer version should not be distributed. The front pane has a space for the larger image while the outside back and innermost panes still need more content.
If anyone has anything to add, please post with citations for consideration.
Last edited by newhaven; Sep 3, 2010 at 8:20 pm Reason: Removed link to old flyer version
Aug 31, 2010, 10:38 pm
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I'm skeptical about the X-ray based backscatter scanners; I'd feel more comfortable with the millimeter-wave units.
However, I am of two minds wrt the patdowns. The previous patdowns they used to do in the United States were useless. They avoided many areas, and I could have had all sorts of things down the front of my pants that they would have never caught.
In some respects, I'd prefer a dignified patdown, with a screener and a witness, behind a private screen, than the put-your-arms-in-the-air scanner with maybe-or-maybe not a patdown afterwords.
Of all the things we do in the name of security (3oz of liquid, shoes on the belt, belt off, etc) the pat down is one of the few things that actually makes some sense. Just do it, do it properly, do it respectfully with privacy and a witness, and get it over with.
However, what they're doing now is disgusting. These pat downs have become punishment for declining to get X-ray'd. That's outrageous.
However, I am of two minds wrt the patdowns. The previous patdowns they used to do in the United States were useless. They avoided many areas, and I could have had all sorts of things down the front of my pants that they would have never caught.
In some respects, I'd prefer a dignified patdown, with a screener and a witness, behind a private screen, than the put-your-arms-in-the-air scanner with maybe-or-maybe not a patdown afterwords.
Of all the things we do in the name of security (3oz of liquid, shoes on the belt, belt off, etc) the pat down is one of the few things that actually makes some sense. Just do it, do it properly, do it respectfully with privacy and a witness, and get it over with.
However, what they're doing now is disgusting. These pat downs have become punishment for declining to get X-ray'd. That's outrageous.