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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 7:54 pm
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I suggest you can just get over the WBI issue and move on with your life, get in line with the rest of us. You know you are gonnna anyway. But if you chose to exercise your right to fight it, consider doing it in ways that dont bully those on the line who do not write policy.
This sounds much better in the original French in Paris, circa 1940.
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 8:04 pm
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Wow, talk about apples and oranges. Doctors are private employees who are working specifically for my benefit and, more to the point, a benefit that I have requested. TSA and the TSOs it employees is a government agency that cannot exceed the limited powers afforded to it by the Constitution. TSA is doing nothing from which I benefit -- quite the contrary, in fact, if it goes forward with its plans to install back-scatter x-ray. A protest directed to the government agent responsible for a trespass on the Constitution that works to my detriment is most certainly appropriate.

Indeed, you do.

It is their constitutional right -- there is no question of that.

I find it fascinating that the name callers on FT can seldom spell. Presumably the two go hand-in-hand.
Not unlike those who choose to focus on a person, versus the issue? Attack the messenger, not the message...that is a great tactic of the lost.

It's not you I hope to influence, its those on the fence. Some are just a lost cause.
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 8:07 pm
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This sounds much better in the original French in Paris, circa 1940.
Correlating the two is a stretch, but this thread appears to be about insulting TSOs just for doing their jobs.

So, back on topic. Me, I vote for those who do (flip off TSOs), even if its a protected right.

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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 8:08 pm
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Not unlike those who choose to focus on a person, versus the issue? Attack the messenger, not the message...that is a great tactic of the lost.
Okay, I'll try one more time: a TSO is NOT the messenger. A TSO is the visible arm of the government that, by usurping Constitutional rights, acts as a tyrant. At the risk of invoking Godwin's law, by your logic, the Gestapo were mere messengers for the Third Reich.

It's not you I hope to influence, its those on the fence. Some are just a lost cause.
Your sig line is interesting. And completely wrong.
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 8:14 pm
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Okay, I'll try one more time: a TSO is NOT the messenger. A TSO is the visible arm of the government that, by usurping Constitutional rights, acts as a tyrant. At the risk of invoking Godwin's law, by your logic, the Gestapo were mere messengers for the Third Reich.

Your sig line is interesting. And completely wrong.
I will try one more time. Go back and reread.... the poster I highlighted and was talking to was about my spelling errors, not TSOs. He was attacking me (the messenger) not because I was wrong, but because of bad spelling.

By my logic, you are off-base and responding to something I never implied.

My sig is interesting, and totally off-topic. But I will keep it around anyway, even without your agreement. It's my opinion, and something I tend to value.

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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Dan_E
Correlating the two is stetch, but this thread appears to be about insulting TSOs just for doing their jobs.
It isn't a stretch at all. The heart and soul of the Vichy government was to tell citizens to just do what they were told and get over it. I am sorry you don't like the correlation, but I am not going to capitulate to you or anyone else when I believe that my rights are in jeopardy.
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 8:20 pm
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Originally Posted by PTravel
Okay, I'll try one more time: a TSO is NOT the messenger. A TSO is the visible arm of the government that, by usurping Constitutional rights, acts as a tyrant. At the risk of invoking Godwin's law, by your logic, the Gestapo were mere messengers for the Third Reich.

Your sig line is interesting. And completely wrong.
No, to get on with your illogical and off topic miss-read of my post, you are kidding me, right? I mean do you in your mind actually put front line TSO workers on the same level as Gestapo.

If that is your implication, other than lmfao, I will not even respond to that drivel.

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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 8:24 pm
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It isn't a stretch at all. The heart and soul of the Vichy government was to tell citizens to just do what they were told and get over it. I am sorry you don't like the correlation, but I am not going to capitulate to you or anyone else when I believe that my rights are in jeopardy.
Sir, put down your computer, step away from the innernetz, and get out and see reality. Go to the mall. Meet a friend for coffee or tea. Its spring in some places, see the wonder that happens this time of year.

Me, I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight. Don't you have friends who can do an intervention or something?

Sheesh, over reaction hardly explain how that sounds. Hard to believe there are two of you on at the same time postingg this.
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 8:39 pm
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No, to get on with your illogical and off topic mis-read of my post, you are kidding me, right? I mean do you in your mind actually put front line TSO workers on the same level as Gestapo.

If that is your implication, other than lmfao, I will not even respond to that drivel.
No, TSO workers are not "on the same level as Gestapo." Both, however, are agents of a government acting in a rogue manner. TSO workers are not innocent purveyors of an unfortunate message, but instruments of illegal activity by an agency with no regard for the Constitution.
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 8:40 pm
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Sir, put down your computer, step away from the innernetz, and get out and see reality. Go to the mall. Meet a friend for coffee or tea. Its spring in some places, see the wonder that happens this time of year.

Me, I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight. Don't you have friends who can do an intervention or something?

Sheesh, over reaction hardly explain how that sounds. Hard to believe there are two of you on at the same time postingg this.
As I said, name-calling and misspelling. Why is that, I wonder?
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 8:57 pm
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No, TSO workers are not "on the same level as Gestapo." Both, however, are agents of a government acting in a rogue manner. TSO workers are not innocent purveyors of an unfortunate message, but instruments of illegal activity by an agency with no regard for the Constitution.
The bolding appears to be your (and a few like-minded individuals) opinion, and not one at this time held up by any major decision body in courts, or places other than blogs and the net. I can understand your feeling that you may believe you are quite possibly one of the few people who have acknowledged that the TSA is evil and the rest of us will finally catch on, but maybe you are wrong. And before you say it, I agree. I could be just as wrong. But for now, it's the law of the land, suck it up.

The difference is I am not really taking sides on the issue, primarily suggesting that maybe insulting front line TSOs by flipping them off while going through the WBI is a childish prank that doesn't get anybody any closer to answering questions posed in this thread, just holds up the line for the rest of us. It's like arguing on the internet.

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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 9:02 pm
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Originally Posted by PTravel
As I said, name-calling and misspelling. Why is that, I wonder?
Awwe, shucks. I guess I am just country as cornbread and a victim of public education.

Nah that's not it.

It is either because I am not using Firefox web browser, or because I choose to use campy words like aint and innernetz.

Either way, how does a misspelled word or an errant (or missed apostrophe) wipe out an entire argument, slick?
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 9:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Dan_E

My sig is interesting, and totally off-topic. But I will keep it around anyway, even without your agreement. It's my opinion, and something I tend to value.
So you believe that "careless talk" is not protected under the First Amendment?
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 9:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Dan_E
The bolding appears to be your (and a few like-minded individuals) opinion, and not one at this time held up by any major decision body in courts, or places other than blogs and the net. I can understand your feeling that you may believe you are quite possibly one of the few people who have acknowledged that the TSA is evil and the rest of us will finally catch on, but maybe you are wrong. And before you say it, I agree. I could be just as wrong. But for now, it's the law of the land, suck it up.

The difference is I am not really taking sides on the issue, primarily suggesting that maybe insulting front line TSOs by flipping them off while going through the WBI is a childish prank that doesn't get anybody any closer to answering questions posed in this thread, just holds up the line for the rest of us. It's like arguing on the internet.
So do you think that changes made by TSA weren't results of lawsuits like Bierfeldt and Fofana, and that the judge there found that TSA did everything right, and that TSA settled Bierfeldt because they were so confident they were going to win?

Doesn't make any sense.

You can make this about tinfoil hat people all you want. That doesn't change the fact that TSA doesn't have rogues in it, and that some policies were found to be illegal under the law in a court of law.
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Old Mar 23, 2010 | 9:47 pm
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I must respectfully disagre with the sentiment espoused here.
Yeah, I'm feeling *nothing* but respect from you here.

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Nice attitude, did well in civics class I see?
Quite well, thank you.

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I imagine this type of person would take the same type of attitude towards red-light cams while running a yellow "real late?"
Maybe, if it turns out the red light cameras had been illegally set up. Turns out this happened a lot in my home town...green and yellow way too short.

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Or when going through the MRI machine seaching for tumors?
Hrm...would I be getting an MRI against my will? I don't think so.

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Moms and dads need to do a better job teaching some manners.
And also teaching kids to question authority, and question stupid meaningless security theater.

I wonder if type type of person actually goes baaaah?
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