Insulting security?
Mar 22, 2010 | 9:55 pm
#61
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eyecue - nice threat, and I dare you to pull that because when the dust settles the result wont be close to whats in your distorted mind.
To those TSA employees who are saying they would willing violate the rights of passengers. If i were you I would be extremely careful in your comments because they could come back to haunt you and prove very expensive. There is a case going through the system right now that expose you personally to a huge liability for your incorrect(per your own policy and SOP) and retaliatory comments.
You might call it your first amendment rights to say what you want but this case is about to set some major precedents for future cases. Remember nothing truly disappears from the internet it lives on forever, and could haunt you for a eternity.
Just a word of warning.
To those TSA employees who are saying they would willing violate the rights of passengers. If i were you I would be extremely careful in your comments because they could come back to haunt you and prove very expensive. There is a case going through the system right now that expose you personally to a huge liability for your incorrect(per your own policy and SOP) and retaliatory comments.
You might call it your first amendment rights to say what you want but this case is about to set some major precedents for future cases. Remember nothing truly disappears from the internet it lives on forever, and could haunt you for a eternity.
Just a word of warning.
Mar 22, 2010 | 10:01 pm
#62
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CFR or USC cite, please.
Mar 22, 2010 | 10:18 pm
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Mar 22, 2010 | 11:22 pm
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It is not me guys and gals. I am just telling you how it could end up. It is all interpretation of your actions and the rules. I have seen the middle finger salute offered at the checkpoint and I am well aware of what can happen with the person. It is your opinion that it is your 1st amendment right, and I am fine with that. There is a rule though that can apply and it can be less than desirable for you.
What's next? A strip search for being in the possession of a Norman Mailer book?
Mar 22, 2010 | 11:44 pm
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Mar 23, 2010 | 12:18 pm
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It is not me guys and gals. I am just telling you how it could end up. It is all interpretation of your actions and the rules. I have seen the middle finger salute offered at the checkpoint and I am well aware of what can happen with the person. It is your opinion that it is your 1st amendment right, and I am fine with that. There is a rule though that can apply and it can be less than desirable for you.
Suppressing the bill of rights at the CP is asking for trouble as well as its only going to take one incident to have a whole lot of TSOs and probably many at HQ in a world of hurt.
Mar 23, 2010 | 12:28 pm
#67
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It is not me guys and gals. I am just telling you how it could end up. It is all interpretation of your actions and the rules. I have seen the middle finger salute offered at the checkpoint and I am well aware of what can happen with the person. It is your opinion that it is your 1st amendment right, and I am fine with that. There is a rule though that can apply and it can be less than desirable for you.
Mar 23, 2010 | 1:08 pm
#68
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I imagine this type of person would take the same type of attitude towards red-light cams while running a yellow "real late?" Or when going through the MRI machine seaching for tumors? Maybe even to the security cams while standing in line for a Big Mac?
Moms and dads need to do a better job teaching some manners.
Mar 23, 2010 | 1:18 pm
#69
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Nice attitude, did well in civics class I see?
I imagine this type of person would take the same type of attitude towards red-light cams while running a yellow "real late?" Or when going through the MRI machine seaching for tumors? Maybe even to the security cams while standing in line for a Big Mac?
Moms and dads need to do a better job teaching some manners.
I imagine this type of person would take the same type of attitude towards red-light cams while running a yellow "real late?" Or when going through the MRI machine seaching for tumors? Maybe even to the security cams while standing in line for a Big Mac?
Moms and dads need to do a better job teaching some manners.
The problem is with fake authority trying to overreach its bounds. TSA has a long standing reputation of doing that.
Mar 23, 2010 | 1:35 pm
#70
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I don't see the problem with expressing one's feelings toward the machines and the personnel in that manner. It may be rude, but let's face it-- most of the procedures that TSA has are invasive and rude too. Like begets like.
The problem is with fake authority trying to overreach its bounds. TSA has a long standing reputation of doing that.
The problem is with fake authority trying to overreach its bounds. TSA has a long standing reputation of doing that.
The TSA may have a long standing reputation (so you claim) of over-reaching, but you cannot say that is 100% true of those individuals who are being faced with interpreting that disrespectal image. I guess that collatoral damage is okay by some, but not me, that agent doesnt deserve that type of attitude.
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Mar 23, 2010 | 1:47 pm
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I guess it depends on what you consider "collateral" damage.
Having to "voluntarily surrender" perfectly safe items at the checkpoint can be considered collateral damage, giving up your privacy such that an unknown TSO can see you essentially naked can be considered collateral damage, having a name the same as someone on the no fly list and having to jump through hoops every time you fly can be considered collateral damage.
Having to "voluntarily surrender" perfectly safe items at the checkpoint can be considered collateral damage, giving up your privacy such that an unknown TSO can see you essentially naked can be considered collateral damage, having a name the same as someone on the no fly list and having to jump through hoops every time you fly can be considered collateral damage.
Mar 23, 2010 | 2:09 pm
#72
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I guess it depends on what you consider "collateral" damage.
Having to "voluntarily surrender" perfectly safe items at the checkpoint can be considered collateral damage, giving up your privacy such that an unknown TSO can see you essentially naked can be considered collateral damage, having a name the same as someone on the no fly list and having to jump through hoops every time you fly can be considered collateral damage.
Having to "voluntarily surrender" perfectly safe items at the checkpoint can be considered collateral damage, giving up your privacy such that an unknown TSO can see you essentially naked can be considered collateral damage, having a name the same as someone on the no fly list and having to jump through hoops every time you fly can be considered collateral damage.
I dont argue with your right to work to get rid of body scanners, I only say that taking it out on the guy on the line is a piss-poor approach and wont get you very far.
Mar 23, 2010 | 2:11 pm
#73
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Nice attitude, did well in civics class I see?
I imagine this type of person would take the same type of attitude towards red-light cams while running a yellow "real late?" Or when going through the MRI machine seaching for tumors? Maybe even to the security cams while standing in line for a Big Mac?
Moms and dads need to do a better job teaching some manners.
I imagine this type of person would take the same type of attitude towards red-light cams while running a yellow "real late?" Or when going through the MRI machine seaching for tumors? Maybe even to the security cams while standing in line for a Big Mac?
Moms and dads need to do a better job teaching some manners.
"Giving the finger" is a form of free speech. The TSA would be in a heap of trouble should they ever meet up with someone who would choose to fight them on this issue.
Mar 23, 2010 | 2:12 pm
#74
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that ought to be a good one to fight as how does my "saluting" the tso "in the secure viewing area" interfere with the screening process? perhaps my "salute" could cause a distraction for the tso while they look at my image for hidden w's, e's & i's? so let the tsa prove that i flipped the bird. show me the picture and i'll take my lumps but according to the tsa, images cannot be stored so if you can't show me the picture because the pictures cannot be retained or reproduced, i didn't salute.....