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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13455485)
BDO’s are looking for the unconscious cue’s that you are giving away every second of your life. Cue’s that you cannot consciously control. So “clamming up” really serves no other purpose than to give the average person the impression that you are a jerk.
Wait ... of course, you can't tell me what kind of cues BDOs are looking for, because that's SSI. So I have no reason to know whether or not I could control those cues, other than your unverifiable assertion that I can't. And "clamming up" does serve a purpose. If it shortens my interaction with a BDO, then it gives the BDO less opportunity to observe whatever he's been trained to observe. And as for "clamming up" giving the impression that I'm a jerk ... you've never seen someone who had a bad day and didn't want to talk to anyone? You've never seen someone whose been distracted and didn't want to engage in conversation? You've never met a terminally shy person who didn't have their helping of Powdermilk Biscuits(TM) that morning? Are all those people jerks? :rolleyes:, indeed. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 13455509)
Voodoo "security" -- that which covers the practices of the TSA voodoo doctors known as BDOs -- cannot detect bombers. They cannot even detect explosives.
TSA-wanted-and-approved BDO practices were in play for the flight with the failed "underwear bomber". So much good that TSA-wanted-and-approved voodoo "security" did for that flight. :rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13455591)
You are aware that the "underwear bomber" boarded the plane in the United Kingdom, right? And that the United Kingdom is not a part of the United States, right? And that the TSA only screens folks in US airports, right?
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Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 13455568)
Really? Like what kind of cues, for instance?
Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 13455568)
Wait ... of course, you can't tell me what kind of cues BDOs are looking for, because that's SSI. So I have no reason to know whether or not I could control those cues, other than your unverifiable assertion that I can't.
Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 13455568)
And "clamming up" does serve a purpose. If it shortens my interaction with a BDO, then it gives the BDO less opportunity to observe whatever he's been trained to observe.
Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 13455568)
And as for "clamming up" giving the impression that I'm a jerk ... you've never seen someone who had a bad day and didn't want to talk to anyone? You've never seen someone whose been distracted and didn't want to engage in conversation? You've never met a terminally shy person who didn't have their helping of Powdermilk Biscuits(TM) that morning? Are all those people jerks? :rolleyes:, indeed.
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13455591)
You are aware that the "underwear bomber" boarded the plane in the United Kingdom, right? And that the United Kingdom is not a part of the United States, right? And that the TSA only screens folks in US airports, right?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: But you do realize that flights from non-US cities to US cities have additional screening procedures, right? And that those procedures aren't applied to people flying to other countries, right? Gee, I wonder who asked those international airports to conduct those additional procedures! Do you know? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13455591)
You are aware that the "underwear bomber" boarded the plane in the United Kingdom, right? And that the United Kingdom is not a part of the United States, right? And that the TSA only screens folks in US airports, right?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: TSA Protects Passengers Traveling to the U.S. by: Inspecting air carrier operations to the U.S. Assessing security of airports overseas Flying Air Marshal missions Ensuring foreign airport compliance with TSA security requirements Advising foreign governments on transportation security Training overseas security personnel Ensuring implementation of international security standards Reviewing threat mitigation strategies for foreign airports Working with non-U.S. air carriers to achieve regulatory compliance Assisting foreign governments to achieve sustainable security capacity To carry out TSA's mission internationally, TSA has twenty-one TSA Representatives (TSARs) and more than 50 TSA inspectors responsible for coordinating and conducting security assessments at more than 300 foreign airports and repair stations in more than 100 different countries. TSARs serve as transportation security liaisons to these host governments in addition to the local U.S. Embassy. TSA inspectors perform onsite security assessments that focus on personnel and equipment preparedness. Through their efforts, TSA has successfully vetted all airports with direct flights into the United States. TSARs and TSA inspectors work closely with their international partners to share best practices for air cargo screening, employee security procedures, security checkpoints, checked baggage screening and behavior detection. TSA and our global partners continuously share cutting-edge explosive detection technology that advances security through the detection of dangerous materials. These technologies, which can detect explosive materials in multiple forms, are specifically designed to make security effective and to facilitate the travel of passengers. So who is right, TSORon: you or your employer? |
Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 13455568)
Wait ... of course, you can't tell me what kind of cues BDOs are looking for, because that's SSI. So I have no reason to know whether or not I could control those cues, other than your unverifiable assertion that I can't.
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13455640)
OR you could take a few minutes to look it up on the internet! DOH!
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Originally Posted by jkhuggins
(Post 13455747)
But how can I trust what's out there on the Internet? You'll be the first person to tell me not to trust what I find on some wacko website ... because, after all, I won't be able to find an "official" source for that SSI information ...
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Originally Posted by ND Sol
(Post 13454267)
You are being very specific in your response by parsing your words, but yet you continue to state that you "are required to report" when it is not a requirement? In order to constitute a requirement, there must be repercussions for not meeting the requirement. That is not the case with drugs, drug paraphernalia, etc. Do you have something to support your statement? If not please stop perpetuating the myth that it is a requirement; it is only voluntary.
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13455500)
wow, looked like it was REAL clear to me there NDS. Maybe you are reading into what I wrote things that are not there? This certainly would not be the first time now would it. :rolleyes:
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13455591)
You are aware that the "underwear bomber" boarded the plane in the United Kingdom, right? And that the United Kingdom is not a part of the United States, right? And that the TSA only screens folks in US airports, right?
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13392358)
No halls, you made an unqualified statement which I proved wrong. End of story. Admit it and move on, its not all that hard.
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Originally Posted by TSORon
(Post 13455485)
I’m not a BDO Phil. If I am talking to a passenger its mostly because I am a nice guy and honestly want to engage the passengers I meet. After all, someone has to give them a good impression of the TSA, after all the “bad press” we have been getting about the WBI systems. :) Against me that might work, but not a BDO. BDO’s are looking for the unconscious cue’s that you are giving away every second of your life. Cue’s that you cannot consciously control. So “clamming up” really serves no other purpose than to give the average person the impression that you are a jerk. If that’s what your aiming for them more power to you. Every action we make has a consequence. :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by FWAAA
(Post 13455631)
I thought he boarded in Amsterdam. I didn't realize that Amsterdam was part of the UK, but you're the screener, so you must know better.
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Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 13455829)
If this BDO thing is so good why haven't any of the TSA BDO's identified one of TSA's thieves, sex perverts, drug dealers or even a real terrorist?
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Originally Posted by DevilDog438
(Post 13452861)
an actual conversation with a BDO increases the opportunity of the BDO triggering said fruitless secondary on a pax.
A good BDO doesnt need to ask/say anything. If you have to talk to someone while conducting SPOT, you're weak. |
Originally Posted by tsadude1
(Post 13455901)
A good BDO doesnt need to ask/say anything. If you have to talk to someone while conducting SPOT, you're weak.
As I lawyer, I've conducted hundreds of depositions in my 18 year career. After spending a full 8 hours with a witness during which I can ask virtually whatever I want, the witness is compelled to respond under penalty of perjury, and I can study the witness' responses (and after conducting and analyzing weeks of written discovery and being completely familiar with the facts surrounding the witness' testimony), I can usually arrive at a fairly informed opinion as to whether a witness is lying or not, has something to hide, etc. The idea that a BDO, after a few days of training, can make this determination based solely on a few moments of observation is ludicrous beyond all belief. |
Originally Posted by Boggie Dog
(Post 13455829)
If this BDO thing is so good why haven't any of the TSA BDO's identified one of TSA's thieves, sex perverts, drug dealers or even a real terrorist?
On the first three, because the BDO program is a laughable fraud whose own numbers, cited in this forum time and time again, demonstrate that BDOs have no idea what the hell they are doing nor any special skill for spotting nefarious evildoers. |
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