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senseker Feb 25, 2010 3:32 pm


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 13453488)
You know, there's this modern invention known as a "wristwatch" that might be of interest to you ... :)

I don't like watches. Besides, I have hairy arms, so the hair gets stuck in the little rivets of the watch, and it's annoying.

jkhuggins Feb 25, 2010 4:13 pm


Originally Posted by senseker (Post 13465247)
I don't like watches. Besides, I have hairy arms, so the hair gets stuck in the little rivets of the watch, and it's annoying.

There's always pocket watches ...

bdschobel Feb 25, 2010 6:32 pm

...and hairy pockets! :D

Bruce

FliesWay2Much Feb 25, 2010 8:02 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 13456063)
I've said this before, but it bears repeating.

As I lawyer, I've conducted hundreds of depositions in my 18 year career. After spending a full 8 hours with a witness during which I can ask virtually whatever I want, the witness is compelled to respond under penalty of perjury, and I can study the witness' responses (and after conducting and analyzing weeks of written discovery and being completely familiar with the facts surrounding the witness' testimony), I can usually arrive at a fairly informed opinion as to whether a witness is lying or not, has something to hide, etc. The idea that a BDO, after a few days of training, can make this determination based solely on a few moments of observation is ludicrous beyond all belief.

I keep coming back to SPOTNik Jeannette in Sam's video documentary. I assume she's typical of the trained SPOTNik. If so, the only comment I have is that she's a piece of work.

While being wanded while wearing a pair of cargo shorts and sandals one day last summer at IAD, I said to the screener, "Did it ever occur to you how absolutely STUPID you look wanding bare skin?"

His come-back was: "Well, are you going to help me find a new job?"

I responded, "People who are asking for job help don't do very well if they demand that someone help them."

I rest my case...

aviators99 Feb 26, 2010 12:42 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 13467032)
While being wanded while wearing a pair of cargo shorts and sandals one day last summer at IAD, I said to the screener, "Did it ever occur to you how absolutely STUPID you look wanding bare skin?"

His come-back was: "Well, are you going to help me find a new job?"

I responded, "People who are asking for job help don't do very well if they demand that someone help them."

I rest my case...

Even with the way I feel about TSOs, I think his comeback was quite funny, and surprisingly witty.

n4zhg Feb 26, 2010 5:29 am


Originally Posted by jkhuggins (Post 13465518)
There's always pocket watches ...

TSO: What time is it?

ME: Time to buy a watch, you cheap .......!

clrankin Feb 26, 2010 9:09 am


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 13467032)
His come-back was: "Well, are you going to help me find a new job?"

My next question would have been something like "Why-- are you tired of having a workfare job that requires no skills, thought, or actual work on your part?"

tsadude1 Feb 26, 2010 12:40 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 13456063)
The idea that a BDO, after a few days of training, can make this determination based solely on a few moments of observation is ludicrous beyond all belief.

OMG I have been a BDO for almost three years now. We have completed more training on just asking questions and observing/analyzing the answers than just a few days. One of your peers, Jo-Ellan Dimitrius, has published a book that is required reading. Its more than a few days, it's now thousands of hours. Can you match that on just observation and analyzing? Besides, if it takes you 8 hours to get the results, I can give you some pointers to knock some time off ;)

Boggie Dog Feb 26, 2010 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 13471526)
OMG I have been a BDO for almost three years now. We have completed more training on just asking questions and observing/analyzing the answers than just a few days. One of your peers, Jo-Ellan Dimitrius, has published a book that is required reading. Its more than a few days, it's now thousands of hours. Can you match that on just observation and analyzing?

So how many terrorist have TSA BDO's identified?

How many TSA employees doing illegal things have TSA BDO's identified?

JSmith1969 Feb 26, 2010 12:49 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13471587)
So how many terrorist have TSA BDO's identified?

How many TSA employees doing illegal things have TSA BDO's identified?

Zero and zero. In the first case, that's because terrorism is very, very rare and any TSO is likely to encounter zero terrorists over the course of even a decades-long career. In the latter case, that's because the BDO program is nonsensical voodoo that does not work.

tsadude1 Feb 26, 2010 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by Boggie Dog (Post 13471587)
So how many terrorist have TSA BDO's identified?

How many TSA employees doing illegal things have TSA BDO's identified?

This is headed to OMNI :p

Prove that it hasnt had results

PTravel Feb 26, 2010 12:54 pm


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 13471526)
OMG I have been a BDO for almost three years now. We have completed more training on just asking questions and observing/analyzing the answers than just a few days. One of your peers, Jo-Ellan Dimitrius, has published a book that is required reading. Its more than a few days, it's now thousands of hours. Can you match that on just observation and analyzing?

I stand by what I said, regardless of how many books you've read or how many hours you've observed. It is patently ludicrous that, based on momentary observation, you can detect anything.


Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 13471632)
This is headed to OMNI :p

Prove that it hasnt had results

1. No positive results have been reported, whereas interceptions of terrorists are routinely reported.

2. If you stop enough people, sooner or later, you'll hit one who is a bad guy. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. That doesn't validate either the theory, the procedure, or the constitutional violation.

jbcarioca Feb 26, 2010 1:10 pm

I really don't care for bashing the TSA agents. None of us would work for their salaries. Nobody who had a better choice would take the jobs. Every day, all day they have to put up with self important SOB's like FTers, intermingled with Aunt Sarah who's on her first airline flight after 87 years and the single woman with four sniveling toddlers. I am amazed they don't go postal themselves. We surely ought to reserve out contempt for the silly bureaucrats who want to pass the wand over somebody and his hairy legs. We should give the poor slobs on the line a break.

tsadude1 Feb 26, 2010 1:12 pm


Originally Posted by PTravel (Post 13471664)


interceptions of terrorists are routinely reported.

So you are stating that you have personal knowledge of this?


Originally Posted by FliesWay2Much (Post 13466993)
I keep coming back to SPOTNik Jeannette in Sam's video documentary. I assume she's typical of the trained SPOTNik. If so, the only comment I have is that she's a piece of work.

I have to show this to my peers. ^ We have no worries :D

T-the-B Feb 26, 2010 1:42 pm

apples and oranges
 

Originally Posted by tsadude1 (Post 13471632)

Prove that it hasnt had results

I don't think BoogieDog was claiming that the BDO program hasn't had results; just that it hasn't resulted in the apprehension of any terrorists or criminal TSA employees.

The BDO program has certainly produced results in the form of wasted effort, squandered funding and pointless harassment of passengers who pose absolutely no threat to travel safety and security.


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