Suspicious behavior
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Suspicious behavior
What constitutes a suspicious behavior?
1. Leaving package/luggage unattended.
2. Carrying any prohibited items such as firearms/knife etc.
3. Use of threatening language or gestures towards crew/officials.
4. Vandalizing property in order to atrract/dicert attention.
5. Attempting to gain access to restricted areas.
6. Taking pictures/videos of restricted areas or general public/traffic
I am not sure how speaking in foreign language, wearing specific article of clothing, use of restroom, taking pictures of family in the airport, looking outside plane window to see "sights, etc could constitute suspicious behavior.
1. Leaving package/luggage unattended.
2. Carrying any prohibited items such as firearms/knife etc.
3. Use of threatening language or gestures towards crew/officials.
4. Vandalizing property in order to atrract/dicert attention.
5. Attempting to gain access to restricted areas.
6. Taking pictures/videos of restricted areas or general public/traffic
I am not sure how speaking in foreign language, wearing specific article of clothing, use of restroom, taking pictures of family in the airport, looking outside plane window to see "sights, etc could constitute suspicious behavior.
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The chief problem, as Schneier points out, is that many people confuse "suspicious" with "unusual". "Unusual" is an easier word to define: anything that doesn't normally happen within the scope of the life experience of the observer.
Usually, things that are "suspicious" are "unusual". However, things that are unusual aren't inherently suspicious. Being "suspicious" requires the ability to assess risk and threat: a property which people are notoriously bad at, unless specifically trained. And most of us (myself included) aren't trained in that regard.
Usually, things that are "suspicious" are "unusual". However, things that are unusual aren't inherently suspicious. Being "suspicious" requires the ability to assess risk and threat: a property which people are notoriously bad at, unless specifically trained. And most of us (myself included) aren't trained in that regard.
#3
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Apparently being brown, wearing a turban, speaking in a foreign language ....
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...his-plane.html
...are all very suspicious behaviors on UA...
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...his-plane.html
...are all very suspicious behaviors on UA...
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Apparently being brown, wearing a turban, speaking in a foreign language ....
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...his-plane.html
...are all very suspicious behaviors on UA...
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trave...his-plane.html
...are all very suspicious behaviors on UA...
#5
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BINGO. Passengers thought to behaving suspiciously because they were speaking in a foreign language, wearing a turban or some such thing, going to the lav, or looking out the window and pointing at the Statue of Liberty are always brown skinned, never white or black. When it comes to travelling by air, this group is unfairly penalised. Yet TSA claims there is no profiling. WHat do they take us for?
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BINGO. Passengers thought to behaving suspiciously because they were speaking in a foreign language, wearing a turban or some such thing, going to the lav, or looking out the window and pointing at the Statue of Liberty are always brown skinned, never white or black. When it comes to travelling by air, this group is unfairly penalised. Yet TSA claims there is no profiling. WHat do they take us for?
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What an awesome response. Blacks have a hard time getting a fair shake when they are climbing the corporate ladder. Would you recommend they just stay home as well?
Ironically I'm former conservative-cum-libertarian who would argue against most forms of affirmative action and most race-based policies, however, I find this "war-on-brown" we find ourselves in to be not only sickening but also something that is destroying what it means to be an American. If someone like me has this strong of a reaction, I can only wonder how my friends further left feel.
A truly disgusting comment.
Ironically I'm former conservative-cum-libertarian who would argue against most forms of affirmative action and most race-based policies, however, I find this "war-on-brown" we find ourselves in to be not only sickening but also something that is destroying what it means to be an American. If someone like me has this strong of a reaction, I can only wonder how my friends further left feel.
A truly disgusting comment.
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Read Malcolm Gladwell's article, "Criminal Profiling Made Easy."
Loosely paraphrased:
According to US Customs, suspicious activity included:
- Traveling with or without baggage
- Traveling in the front, middle, or aft section of the plane
- Traveling alone or with other passengers
- Checking in early, on time, or late
- Being the first to get off the plane, the last to get off the plane, or somewhere in the middle
I actually support some forms of profiling and behavioral detection since our "one size fits all" screening methods are cumbersome, expensive, insensitive, non-specific, humiliating, over-the-top, etc.
But detecting unusual or specific behavior is not an exact science. For this reason, I don't think that detection is the issue, it's how you react.
Some examples.
Let's say that you're a US Airways Express/Chatauqua Airlines crewmember. If a passenger is acting strangely, like praying and wearing tefillin, you might find this suspicious. If you've never seen it before--yes--it's unusual. But you react by being polite, friendly, approachable, and asking "what is that? I've never seen that before." You don't divert the plane.
Let's say that you're a Continental Airlines flight attendant. A passenger pauses to look out the window of an exit door. If you're a bit paranoid, you might find this suspicious. You should react by being polite, friendly, approachable, and saying, "Hi. Are you just looking out the window? Can I get you anything... here I'll bring it to your seat." You don't scream across the cabin "Get away from the door."
In other words, these crewmembers were observing perceived unusual or suspicious behavior. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But their reaction was completely inappropriate.
Loosely paraphrased:
According to US Customs, suspicious activity included:
- Traveling with or without baggage
- Traveling in the front, middle, or aft section of the plane
- Traveling alone or with other passengers
- Checking in early, on time, or late
- Being the first to get off the plane, the last to get off the plane, or somewhere in the middle
I actually support some forms of profiling and behavioral detection since our "one size fits all" screening methods are cumbersome, expensive, insensitive, non-specific, humiliating, over-the-top, etc.
But detecting unusual or specific behavior is not an exact science. For this reason, I don't think that detection is the issue, it's how you react.
Some examples.
Let's say that you're a US Airways Express/Chatauqua Airlines crewmember. If a passenger is acting strangely, like praying and wearing tefillin, you might find this suspicious. If you've never seen it before--yes--it's unusual. But you react by being polite, friendly, approachable, and asking "what is that? I've never seen that before." You don't divert the plane.
Let's say that you're a Continental Airlines flight attendant. A passenger pauses to look out the window of an exit door. If you're a bit paranoid, you might find this suspicious. You should react by being polite, friendly, approachable, and saying, "Hi. Are you just looking out the window? Can I get you anything... here I'll bring it to your seat." You don't scream across the cabin "Get away from the door."
In other words, these crewmembers were observing perceived unusual or suspicious behavior. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But their reaction was completely inappropriate.
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What a despicable and shameful reply. Typical TSA garbage. Is this the training TSA gives? Shame on a TSA employee you for having an attitude like this.
It's a shame that we have people with this attitude living in this country.
We'll all be metter off if suc people were sent off to G'tmo,
What makes you think I am brown? Do you think only a brown man could have empathy for another brown man? That's an attitude of an ignorant person.
In any case, who are you to tell me to stay home.
It's a shame that we have people with this attitude living in this country.

We'll all be metter off if suc people were sent off to G'tmo,

What makes you think I am brown? Do you think only a brown man could have empathy for another brown man? That's an attitude of an ignorant person.
In any case, who are you to tell me to stay home.
Last edited by Yaatri; Jan 28, 2010 at 2:16 pm
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For the purpose of this discussion, how do you define "suspicious"? It's difficult to answer your question with knowing what you meant.
That probably indicates someone was forgetful. In a minuscule portion of cases -- none, maybe -- it indicates that someone sneaked a bomb past TSA's checkpoint and left it sitting there.
Discouraged, but to my knowledge, legal.
The knife probably indicates forgetfulness, but might have been brought by someone who didn't want to give up his pocket knife and just gambled that no one would notice. The gun? That seems more likely to indicate trouble.
Possibly unlawful. Does anyone know?
Unless it rises to the level of assault (i.e., if someone feels he or she is actually at risk of harm as a result), it's just rude. Doesn't indicate wrongdoing, no reason to investigate.
That requires some guesswork. If we leave off the speculation about motive, it's unlawful and unethical, but not, it seems, reason to investigate for reasons other than righting the wrong by prosecuting the vandal.
Without even knowing what you meant by "suspicious", and assuming that it's not accidental (i.e., the door is clearly marked as someplace that the public are not allowed to go), this seems like the most suspicious of the actions you enumerated. However, it's probably just someone who wants to see what's there, but probably worth checking into a bit beyond just saying, "Beat it."
Maybe unlawful, but I suspect it's nothing more than trespassing.
Taking pictures of anything that can be seen from publicly-accessible areas of the airport is no more cause for concern than looking at that thing is. TSA places no restrictions on such (other maybe than photographing their computer monitors. Blogger Bob Burns says that's prohibited, but declined to cite any law stating such). It seems that most airports have no such restrictions, either. Neither of these facts means you're not likely to end up detained and searched or tossed in jail as a result.
Only in the minds of the paranoid or authoritarian is photography in public areas of an airport "suspicious behavior".
That probably indicates someone was forgetful. In a minuscule portion of cases -- none, maybe -- it indicates that someone sneaked a bomb past TSA's checkpoint and left it sitting there.
Discouraged, but to my knowledge, legal.
The knife probably indicates forgetfulness, but might have been brought by someone who didn't want to give up his pocket knife and just gambled that no one would notice. The gun? That seems more likely to indicate trouble.
Possibly unlawful. Does anyone know?
Unless it rises to the level of assault (i.e., if someone feels he or she is actually at risk of harm as a result), it's just rude. Doesn't indicate wrongdoing, no reason to investigate.
That requires some guesswork. If we leave off the speculation about motive, it's unlawful and unethical, but not, it seems, reason to investigate for reasons other than righting the wrong by prosecuting the vandal.
Without even knowing what you meant by "suspicious", and assuming that it's not accidental (i.e., the door is clearly marked as someplace that the public are not allowed to go), this seems like the most suspicious of the actions you enumerated. However, it's probably just someone who wants to see what's there, but probably worth checking into a bit beyond just saying, "Beat it."
Maybe unlawful, but I suspect it's nothing more than trespassing.
Only in the minds of the paranoid or authoritarian is photography in public areas of an airport "suspicious behavior".
Last edited by pmocek; Jan 28, 2010 at 3:55 pm Reason: improve grammar
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<SNIP>
Look for people who:
* Appear to be conducting surveillance
(using video cameras, taking photos, etc.)
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For example, DTW is governed by the Wayne County Airport Authority Airport Ordinance, which is implemented under the authority given to DTW by Michigan's Aeronautics Code, Michigan Compiled Laws, section 259.1 et seq.
Therein we find, in part:
11.8 No Concealed Weapon or Explosive. Except as provided in Section 11.8 (e), a person shall not:
a. Carry on the Airport a deadly or dangerous weapon, concealed or otherwise, on or about his or her person or in property accessible to them prior to entering a Sterile Area or Secured Area ...
d. For the purpose of this Subsection 11.8, a weapon shall include, but not be limited to, a firearm, a pellet pistol or rifle, a knife, cutting instrument, blackjack, bow and arrow, sling shot, metal knuckles or martial arts weapons ...
g. Violation of this Subsection is a misdemeanor.
a. Carry on the Airport a deadly or dangerous weapon, concealed or otherwise, on or about his or her person or in property accessible to them prior to entering a Sterile Area or Secured Area ...
d. For the purpose of this Subsection 11.8, a weapon shall include, but not be limited to, a firearm, a pellet pistol or rifle, a knife, cutting instrument, blackjack, bow and arrow, sling shot, metal knuckles or martial arts weapons ...
g. Violation of this Subsection is a misdemeanor.
But that's just one airport. Your mileage may vary.
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