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May 8, 2014, 9:02 am

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Originally Posted by oliver2002

Hmm.... EI-LNC just did OSL-FLL-CPH-FLL-ARN a few days ago, LNB too: http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/ei-lnb

I must be misreading something on Flightradar - how can EI-LNB have flown both DY7032 and DY7036 on the 4th of May? Both deparing at the same time, but one going to OSL and one going to ARN?

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May 8, 2014, 9:30 am

#257

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Norwegian has five 787-8 Dreamliner aircraft in its fleet and another three on order. In addition, the company has six 787-9 Dreamliners on order. With the new order announced today, Norwegian will have 17 aircraft in its long-haul fleet in 2018.

Read more: http://www.asdnews.com/news-54845/No...#ixzz318e3FTrx

May 8, 2014, 9:32 am

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A Norwegian-named airline based in Ireland that employs Thailand-based crews through a Singaporean pilot supply company? It's a new world for airlines, and industry incumbents are fighting back.

Read more: http://management.fortune.cnn.com/20...ian-air-labor/

May 15, 2014, 5:20 am

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Originally Posted by Quark999

Here it is - I started with Wed, as that's when the first Norwegian US flight leaves on the 2nd of July.

Code:

From	To	Dep	             Arr
LGW	LAX	Wed, 15:35	Wed, 18:55
LAX	LGW	Wed, 20:30	Thu, 15:00
LGW	JFK	Thu, 18:20	Thu, 21:30
JFK	LGW	Thu, 23:00	Fri, 10:30
LGW	FLL	Fri, 15:50	Fri, 21:00
FLL	LGW	Fri, 22:30	Sat, 11:35
LGW	JFK	Sat, 17:15	Sat, 20:05
JFK	LGW	Sat, 21:35	Sun, 09:10
LGW	LAX	Sun, 13:45	Sun, 17:05
LAX	LGW	Sun, 18:35	Mon, 13:05
LGW	FLL	Mon, 15:50	Mon, 21:00
FLL	LGW	Mon, 22:30	Tue, 12:00
LGW	JFK	Tue, 17:15	Tue, 20:05
JFK	LGW	Tue, 21:35	Wed, 09:10

This is a super crazy schedule.
1½ hours on the ground at JFK and LAX is completely unrealistic. All other airlines have 2+ hours. Why can DY do it faster? I believe that the Concorde had priviligies (at a price).

I will continue to avoid DY on longhaul as their schedule is unrealistic - and in case of irregularities they will not re-book you. You can hapily wait for their next flight - net week

May 15, 2014, 5:22 am

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Norwegian long-haul to open routes to South America and Africa

Norwegian has just announced that they will open long-haul routes to South America and Africa in 2016, through their existing base in Barcelona (BCN).

Link (in norwegian only):
http://www.aftenposten.no/okonomi/Na...a-7567246.html

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May 15, 2014, 5:39 am

#261

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I couldn't find their online check in. Do they still not have it? Do they have a self service kiosk at LAX?

May 15, 2014, 8:01 am

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Snacky

You.have to give them credit for initiative and drive. So far.it has not earned them profit, nor consumer confidence but that may still come. I am not quite sure how I see the outcome, but I probably lean more to succes than failure in the long run.
Another interesting article in Norwegian that sums up the status thus far.
mobil.aftenposten.no/okonomi/Det-aret-det-var-sa-bratt-7562790.html#.U3TF97mmom9

May 15, 2014, 9:45 am

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Right, there might be some brain twister in here that I overlooked in terms of working out times in the air, but I decided to compare the Norwegian schedule to BA G-BZJB - their oldest Dreamliner, courtesy of BA Source.

Code:

From	To	Dep	        Arr
LHR	EWR	Wed, 18:45	Wed, 19:00
EWR	LHR	Wed, 23:00	Thu, 10:25
LHR	YYZ	Thu, 13:35	Thu, 14:45
YYZ	LHR	Thu, 18:45	Fri, 06:15
LHR	YYZ	Fri, 13:00	Fri, 15:00
YYZ	LHR	Fri, 18:45	Sat, 06:30
LHR	EWR	Sat, 18:45	Sat, 20:30
EWR	LHR	Sat, 23:00	Sun, 09:45
LHR	HYD	Sun, 14:35	Mon, 05:05
HYD	LHR	Mon, 06:45	Mon, 12:55
LHR	EWR	Mon, 18:45	Mon, 21:00
EWR	LHR	Mon, 23:00	Tue, 10:25
LHR	HYD	Tue, 14:35	Wed, 5:15
HYD	LHR	Wed, 06:45	Wed, 12:55

Now this is not as agressive, and there's a curious 12:15 park at LHR on the weekend in there, but there are times where the plane is in the air for more than 17 hours a day.

I still don't think Norwegian's schedule is unachievable, but as pointed out it might not be "on time" in a lot of cases. After every JFK arrival there is 4:35 to 5:25 to recover at Gatwick which should be enough - until something goes completely wrong. That's where BA's park at Heathrow would come in handy...

May 19, 2014, 2:10 am

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USAToday: Let discount Norwegian fly - Our view

USAToday has an editiorial, expressing their view on the recent controversy around Norwegian (DY) expanding in the US market.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...bates/9255831/

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May 19, 2014, 9:12 am

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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer

I'm not too sure about that. In my "circles" they have a very good reputation. Granted none of them have used their long haul product yet, but I think their very well received short haul product will soften the blow somewhat.

May 20, 2014, 2:59 am

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Now this is not as agressive, and there's a curious 12:15 park at LHR on the weekend in there, but there are times where the plane is in the air for more than 17 hours a day.

The 12h 'park' is for a line check which is required after operating a certain number of hours & cycles.

I'll continue to stick to the idea that DY plans to use a previously arrived aircraft to fly back from JFK to LGW.

May 20, 2014, 3:05 am

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Norwegian has just announced that they will open long-haul routes to South America and Africa in 2016, through their existing base in Barcelona (BCN).

Weird. I get why they picked BCN for geographic reasons to make use of the 787 range, but this will mean that they have to deploy a hub strategy and feed European traffic to BCN and then fly it out. This is totally contrary to their current intra-Europe strategy flying leisure tourists to BCN as an LCC.

May 20, 2014, 3:17 am

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USAToday has an editiorial, expressing their view on the recent controversy around Norwegian (DY) expanding in the US market.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...bates/9255831/

Snacky

While I generally agree with the USA Today, and certainly don't think there are any safety concerns, there are "loop holes" (or should I say benefits) in a setup via Ireland that the EU should look in to. Norwegian is not the only carrier benefiting from this Ryan Air does as well in slightly different ways. The new thing is that Norwegian is planning to fly to the US. My reason for wanting the EU to look at it is more from a tax and society than competition perspective.

Quote:

Originally Posted by callum9999

Basically agree, the reputation on short haul is good, though the long haul trouble is starting to cost them in general as well. I don't know anyone who currently has much confidence in booking long haul with Norwegian. Short haul people are fine to use them.

Last edited by CPH-Flyer; May 20, 2014 at 3:22 am

May 22, 2014, 5:45 am

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Basically, if you've not flown Norwegian, they don't compare at all with your regular LCC.

Brand new planes, latest recardo seats, free wifi on board, nice staff...

May 22, 2014, 8:32 am

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Basically, if you've not flown Norwegian, they don't compare at all with your regular LCC.

Brand new planes, latest recardo seats, free wifi on board, nice staff...

+1. (European sectors)

Even the food/snacks on board used to be good. (haven't flown with them for some years though)

However, there are some serious problems with their long-haul flights, note.