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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by vasantn
I assume you are referring to me, and I will be glad to send you the next offending email which will doubtless arrive in a few minutes. I have not looked at the headers, but will do so at the next opportunity. All I know to be "factual and true" is that (1) I have never used my dedicated FT email address for any other purpose and (2) the SPAM that I refer to started arriving shortly after IB's acquisition of FT. If this is indeed an unhappy coincidence, I apologize for the harsh tone of my earlier post. However, an alternative explanation escapes me.
If your computer gets compromised by a virus/malware/spyware, it can read the contents of your mail folders in Outlook Express (or your mail client of choice, but usually Outlook/OE), and send the e-mail addresses it finds to a compromised server somewhere to get added to a spam list. I might be teaching granny to suck eggs, but you might want to make sure you have an up-to-date virus scanner, and run an adware/malware scan such as Adaware or Windows Defender.

This could be how your FT e-mail address has started getting penis enlargement mail.

I too have a dedicated e-mail address for FT and to date the only spam received there was the IB one today.

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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 2:09 pm
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Originally Posted by MikeyBee
If your computer gets compromised by a virus/malware/spyware, it can read the contents of your mail folders in Outlook Express (or your mail client of choice, but usually Outlook/OE), and send the e-mail addresses it finds to a compromised server somewhere to get added to a spam list. I might be teaching granny to suck eggs, but you might want to make sure you have an up-to-date virus scanner, and run an adware/malware scan such as Adaware or Windows Defender.

This could be how your FT e-mail address has started getting penis enlargement mail.

I too have a dedicated e-mail address for FT and to date the only spam received there was the IB one today.

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I don't claim to be an expert on computer security, but I send 50+ emails a day out into the world using my regular work email address and have probably received 3-4 total SPAM emails in the last two years. I do regularly run virus and adware scans.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 2:14 pm
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Originally Posted by vasantn
I don't claim to be an expert on computer security, but I send 50+ emails a day out into the world using my regular work email address and have probably received 3-4 total SPAM emails in the last two years.
Your company likely has a low-spam tolerance and is deleting them before you see them.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 6:57 pm
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Originally Posted by Randy Petersen

As for disappointment, i doubt anyone is more disappointed than I. We've spent years building up an expected environment and from that investment of trust, i hate to see it changed - for any reason.
I am sure we recognise that.

Folks as Koko said, things are evolving. They always have here, and always will. If we do not like it, don't visit or don't post, and clearly not much of that is occurring!

FWIW they did not email me .. wonder if it was somehow USA targeted?
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 7:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Dovster
My opinion:

IB, in turn, having paid that money to Randy deserves the opportunity to recoup it and profit from its investment. Moreover, if it does not, it will eventually decide to cut its losses and shut FT down.

That would not be a happy event for anyone. Not for IB. Not for FlyerTalkers. Not even for Randy -- who despite having received payment for FlyerTalk still has a heavy emotional involvement in it.

This is going to require IB and FTers to work together and to be willing to compromise.
I'm sure that IB also knows that if they blow it with FlyerTalk many many of us will follow Randy to whatever venture he may (be contractually allowed to) start.
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 7:42 pm
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Originally Posted by nroscoe
I'm sure that IB also knows that if they blow it with FlyerTalk many many of us will follow Randy to whatever venture he may (be contractually allowed to) start.
Or somewhere else completely..
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Old Oct 17, 2007 | 8:04 pm
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I've been following the various threads in both ORP & Tech issues.

I get that those of us (like me) have the 'Premium' issue don't get the ads - haven't seen anyone's private parts yet . So that part is working. But I also don't think it's fair to others by other Premium members on this thread who have paid the $12 to avoid vagina shots to say 'ante up or quit your b*tch'in'. Come on folks. Porn? They should not have to ante up $12 to avoid that.

And yes it was only FT that promised your info is safe but IB took it over, so either they abide by it or they don't. Which now that IB has gotten their input (and it's not been good), seems like they'll do in the future.

Heck I would not have minded getting a 1-time SPAM (and I think others are the same, although I'm projecting) - IF it said it was 1-time only, it provided an opt-in, not just an opt-out & even if it was an opt-out, an opt-out that worked (which I'm assuming they've done by now given the potential for the CAN-SPAM against them).

And if they had done a message at the top of the forums, 'we're thinking of offering travel related emails (such as was received by everyone) & would you like to get them, click here for yes/click here for no', that would have basically solved all the complaint issues (at least for the travel stuff - not re: the porn). Those who were interested would say yes/the rest no, and everyone's email would be safe. They blew that one.

What I will NOT give IB a pass on is from what I've read on this forum & in tech issues is where FTers are getting malware & trojans which are infecting their computers - and no, not all those people are luddites w/ no protection at all. AFAIK my computer is ok, but now I'm bringing someone in to check it out. And I use my computer primarily for bizness (although obviously I surf FT). If malware/trojans from FT/IB had damaged it, they'd be hearing from me in a more direct fashion than posting on FT. Granted I think I'm ok, but if not a 'we're checking into it' post on FT would not suffice. And given IB's offices are about 2 miles from my place I'd demand a tech visit to sort it all out. Others geography might not work so well.

OVMV. Cheers.
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 1:42 am
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Originally Posted by ozstamps
FWIW they did not email me .. wonder if it was somehow USA targeted?
I got it - as did at least one other person in the UK.
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 3:27 am
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I also received the IBTravelDeals.com spam to a dedicated FT-only email address. Not happy. I am in Australia with a .org email address.
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 3:58 am
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Originally Posted by ozstamps
wonder if it was somehow USA targeted?
Nope- I got it in Ireland.
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 4:25 am
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Originally Posted by ozstamps

FWIW they did not email me .. wonder if it was somehow USA targeted?
Originally Posted by Aviatrix
I got it - as did at least one other person in the UK.
Originally Posted by StevePER
I also received the IBTravelDeals.com spam to a dedicated FT-only email address. Not happy. I am in Australia with a .org email address.
Originally Posted by typhoon
Nope- I got it in Ireland.
Oz, I didn't get it in Israel. In view of the posts that I cited above, it can not be because of our non-US addresses.

I can only figure that the e-mail was sent out by a beautiful woman with good taste -- and you I both know that such women never write to us!
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 6:35 am
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Another possibility is that your SPAM filter either on your ISP's end or on your end caught the email and removed it for you.

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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 8:00 am
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Originally Posted by dan1431
Another possibility is that your SPAM filter either on your ISP's end or on your end caught the email and removed it for you.

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That's exactly what happened to me, because I have my email registered at another IB site and must have at some point marked IB emails as spam.

But again, I fully EXPECT IB to send me 'helpful and relevant offers.' Like you folks never get 'helpful and relevant offers' from EVERY other business-owned IBB you sign up on!?

That's what internet businesses do! @:-)
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 8:57 am
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Originally Posted by kokonutz
That's exactly what happened to me, because I have my email registered at another IB site and must have at some point marked IB emails as spam.

But again, I fully EXPECT IB to send me 'helpful and relevant offers.' Like you folks never get 'helpful and relevant offers' from EVERY other business-owned IBB you sign up on!?
Only if I explicitly opt-in to the communication. If I say that I don't want e-mail about services I might be interested in, I expect that choice to be respected. On FT, I have not opted in.

As a rule, I don't opt in. There's only one site I'm a member of which requires that I receive their e-mails as a condition of membership. Their emails go straight to /dev/null on principle.

While I'm not to the point of outrage and wanting to storm IB with torch and pitchfork in hand (there's really not enough pitchfork-based mobs these days!), this fails the smell test.
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 11:57 am
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I got the email; my yahoo! email sent it to the spam folder.

I don't see what the big fuss is all about, since my email address wasn't sold to or shared with outside parties. The email came from the owner of Flyertalk. I don't think my intial sign-up agreement with Flyertalk prohibits the owner from emailing me.
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