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Punki Apr 19, 2004 1:32 pm

You would think alanw, that if they are ignored long enough people would let go of their hatred, but sadly that is not the case. There are people whose posts I have not read in years who (I am told) still make hateful posts to and about me. Seems like a very strange use of their time. I almost never think about them at all.

In this instant case, however, signing someone else's name to a negative comment, the potentional for damage is far greater. People will be hurt and think they know who hurt them, when in fact it is a troll. Hopefully, if anyone receives a "signed" negative comment, they will contact the person whose name was "signed" to make certain that they were the author, before they let it affect their relationship.

skofarrell Apr 19, 2004 1:38 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster
2. I was actually thinking of adding a line in my post saying "I only consider the moderation to be unbalanced, not the moderators."

Fascinating. Can you elaborate this point?

skofarrell Apr 19, 2004 1:39 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster
5. In view of some of the very extreme posts which have appeared in Omni since I have left (eg: gleefully calling for the nuclear destruction of Tel Aviv; saying of American civilians in Iraq "Will anyone regret if any one of these guys are hung on a bridge over the Euphrates ???? Not me;" and praising an advertisement calling for the murder of the Secretary of Defense) I almost certainly would do what I was unfairly accused of doing a few months ago: Make a personal attack. You would then have to ban me from Omni and I would no longer be posting there and we would be back to where we are right now, so why bother?

If you chose to, you could repudiate every one of these points without resorting to personal attacks.

jfe Apr 19, 2004 1:47 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster
1. I am not holding a grudge. In fact, if you decide to show up at the Great Delta Board PBI-FLL Meet I would be very happy to have you join us. The same is true for the other Omni mods.

Would love to go, but can't


Originally Posted by Dovster
2. I was actually thinking of adding a line in my post saying "I only consider the moderation to be unbalanced, not the moderators."

I am flattered, I think :confused:

Oh well, I can't be blamed for not trying ;)

GUWonder Apr 19, 2004 1:48 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster
You know you don't want me to answer that question! :D

Are you admitting that you are reading OMNI still and dinging people anonymously? ;) :D

Dovster Apr 19, 2004 1:50 pm


Originally Posted by skofarrell
If you chose to, you could repudiate every one of these points without resorting to personal attacks.

Firstly, it would do no good. There was absolutely no personal attack in letter you censored. (If you really and truly want, I still have it and can reprint it here to prove my point.)

Secondly, I think that a person, and in this case I am using that term extremely loosely, who expresses his hope for the nuclear destruction of a country -- not to mention the deaths of American civilians -- deserves a personal attack. There is certainly no point in trying to logically debate someone who displays such a blood lust (yet prides himself on going to "anti-war" demonstrations).

Incidentally, when someone chuckles (he added smiley faces) while hoping for the nuclear deaths of my children, my family, and my countrymen, I tend to take that VERY personally.

Dovster Apr 19, 2004 1:58 pm


Originally Posted by GUWonder
Are you admitting that you are reading OMNI still and dinging people anonymously? ;) :D

I have never denied reading Omni. (Last month, I also re-read Mein Kampf.)

I have made a few dings and yes, they were anonymous. Basically, however, I don't ding as it really serves no purpose. Until last week I used to give positive points anonymously but decided that it also serves no purpose. Now I make almost exclusively positive reps and sign them which hopefully brightens the recipient's day.

Cholula Apr 19, 2004 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster
It is one of the bells and whistles on F/T. Like Omni, it really has nothing to do with travel and could easily be dispensed with. However, again like Omni, there are people who get pleasure from it.


This has turned into a highly interesting thread over the last few hours! Just goes to show that controversial topics can be civilly discussed without name calling.
I find the reputation feature to be one of the more fun parts of the new FT....and I only have one lonely green dot. I've yet to receive any negative dings but I haven't given any out yet either. Since you can only give out a limited amount of reputation ratings a day, I don't want to waste any on negatives. Too many people who I want to reward with positives.
More on topic here, I wondered how long it would take until someone started to abuse the reputation system. Sending negative dings and signing someone else's name is about as low as you can sink. I agree, however, that the whole system shouldn't be abandoned just because of a few bad apples. The best system might be one, as has been suggested, that automatically identifies the poster when they issue both positives and negatives.

RKG Apr 19, 2004 2:40 pm


Originally Posted by RobotDoctor
I agree with mandatory signatures when posting a reputation point. Make this part of the system.

I agree completely. If this cannot be done - then just turn this feature off. There are apparently some members that just cannot deal with this feature like adults.

cactuspete Apr 19, 2004 2:44 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster
Secondly, I think that a person, and in this case I am using that term extremely loosely, who expresses his hope for the nuclear destruction of a country -- not to mention the deaths of American civilians -- deserves a personal attack. There is certainly no point in trying to logically debate someone who displays such a blood lust (yet prides himself on going to "anti-war" demonstrations).

Incidentally, when someone chuckles (he added smiley faces) while hoping for the nuclear deaths of my children, my family, and my countrymen, I tend to take that VERY personally.

^^

UALOneKPlus Apr 19, 2004 3:08 pm


Originally Posted by Cholula
This has turned into a highly interesting thread over the last few hours! Just goes to show that controversial topics can be civilly discussed without name calling.
I find the reputation feature to be one of the more fun parts of the new FT....and I only have one lonely green dot. I've yet to receive any negative dings but I haven't given any out yet either. Since you can only give out a limited amount of reputation ratings a day, I don't want to waste any on negatives. Too many people who I want to reward with positives.
More on topic here, I wondered how long it would take until someone started to abuse the reputation system. Sending negative dings and signing someone else's name is about as low as you can sink. I agree, however, that the whole system shouldn't be abandoned just because of a few bad apples. The best system might be one, as has been suggested, that automatically identifies the poster when they issue both positives and negatives.

Cholula - you've got many reputations points coming to you!! ^ ^ :)

RobotDoctor Apr 19, 2004 3:30 pm


Originally Posted by Cholula
This has turned into a highly interesting thread over the last few hours! Just goes to show that controversial topics can be civilly discussed without name calling.
I find the reputation feature to be one of the more fun parts of the new FT....and I only have one lonely green dot. I've yet to receive any negative dings but I haven't given any out yet either. Since you can only give out a limited amount of reputation ratings a day, I don't want to waste any on negatives. Too many people who I want to reward with positives.
More on topic here, I wondered how long it would take until someone started to abuse the reputation system. Sending negative dings and signing someone else's name is about as low as you can sink. I agree, however, that the whole system shouldn't be abandoned just because of a few bad apples. The best system might be one, as has been suggested, that automatically identifies the poster when they issue both positives and negatives.

I, too, have not given a single negative point. I agree with Cholula in that there are many people deserving of positive points that a negative is a waste. I have had 1 negative reputation point and that was, .............. surprise ................ , not signed.

Vaze Apr 19, 2004 4:43 pm

I can see where to add to a posters reputation, but I must be denser than the average FT as I don't see how to view reputations - anyone care to enlighten me? or does this post merit a ding on GP? :p

jfe Apr 19, 2004 4:49 pm

It is incredible, I got dinged for a Happy Easter thread (thanks to those who posted a positive one afterwards ^), and now I got a a ding for a french joke :confused:

I guess I shouldn't be upset about it, just amazing how people use the system ;)

ScottC Apr 19, 2004 4:52 pm


Originally Posted by jfe
It is incredible, I got dinged for a Happy Easter thread (thanks to those who posted a positive one afterwards ^), and now I got a a ding for a french joke :confused:

I guess I shouldn't be upset about it, just amazing how people use the system ;)

Sad, very sad.


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