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UALOneKPlus Apr 19, 2004 10:16 am

agree that all dings should be id'ed as well.

Note: Personally I don't believe in dings, and will never give one out. It's a useless venture and speaks more about the person giving out the ding than the person receiving them.

Punki Apr 19, 2004 10:18 am

Actually, alanw, there are several people who have been on my "ignore user" list for a long, long time. I do, from time to time, get an e-mail from someone commenting on a particularly nasty remark that one of my "ignored" has made. I ignore those e-mails as well. ;)

Apparently there is least one other person (or maybe the same person) who believes that signing someone else's name to negative reputation comments is ok. I just received this reputation ding to my original post on this thread.

"More self-absorbed pap from Punki" :-(

I would place my bets that the cowardly author is someone who enjoys a place on my ignore list. ;) At least they got the hyphen right.

P.S., I really do like getting and (even more) sending positive reputation comments. It is an easy and fun way to brighten someone's day. Is it possible to leave the good and remove the bad. I have yet to receive an identified or even remotely constructive negative. Has anyone? If the dings only exist to hurl insults, why do we have them at all?

alanw Apr 19, 2004 10:53 am


Originally Posted by Punki
Actually, alanw, there are several people who have been on my "ignore user" list for a long, long time. I do, from time to time, get an e-mail from someone commenting on a particularly nasty remark that one of my "ignored" has made. I ignore those e-mails as well. ;)

Apparently there is least one other person (or maybe the same person) who believes that signing someone else's name to negative reputation comments is ok. I just received this reputation ding to my original post on this thread.

"More self-absorbed pap from Punki" :-(

I would place my bets that the cowardly author is someone who enjoys a place on my ignore list. ;) At least they got the hyphen right.

P.S., I really do like getting and (even more) sending positive reputation comments. It is an easy and fun way to brighten someone's day. Is it possible to leave the good and remove the bad. I have yet to receive an identified or even remotely constructive negative. Has anyone? If the dings only exist to hurl insults, why do we have them at all?

While I can't speak to pap and hypens, Punki, I can tell you that every bit of negative feedback I have received has been anonymous and more than a few of them extremely nasty, including name-calling that is best reserved for role-playing in the bedroom (who knows...maybe I have a secret admirer?).

Rather than get upset and try to track down the culprit, I'm just writing it off. I got used to being called names a long time ago in Real Life, and I'm certainly not going to let random a-holes hiding behind a pseudonym on an IBB get to me.

That being said, I've left 3 negatives. The first I didn't leave my name, so I went back later and did it again, attributed, for good measure. ;)

When it comes to personalities, I think I'd rather save the effort for FTers I have met in the real world, all of which, I must say, have been very nice people.

The notion that there are packs of bitter handle-hiders roaming around ganging up on other members using fake names says more about them than whoever they choose to attack.

anonplz Apr 19, 2004 11:04 am


Originally Posted by alanw
The notion that there are packs of bitter handle-hiders roaming around ganging up on other members using fake names says more about them than whoever they choose to attack.

Agreed, but it'll just continue, because they can continue with it. So, get used to it.

alanw Apr 19, 2004 11:21 am


Originally Posted by anonplz
Agreed, but it'll just continue, because they can continue with it. So, get used to it.

As I said, I am used to it. If everyone else would do the same, they'd go find somewhere else to play.

Dovster Apr 19, 2004 11:24 am


Originally Posted by jfe
Would that make too much sense?

To me this is nothing but a feature that has created nothing but grief among some members, and just another way to create controversy.

I have said repeatedly that I feel the reputation feature neither adds to, nor damages, F/T. I very much doubt that had I been in Randy's shoes, I would have agreed to pay even $10 a year more for it.

Having said that, it very much goes against my grain to have F/T give up anything which gives some members a bit of pleasure simply because there are some who abuse it.

(In fact, whenever there were discussions about cancelling Omni I made the same argument.)

While it would be ridiculous to equate an anonymous hate messenger with a murderous terrorist, there is one similarity. They both feel they have the right to damage anyone who disagrees with them. I can't agree with giving either of them the victory that would come with depriving others of something they value or enjoy.

jfe Apr 19, 2004 11:29 am


Originally Posted by Dovster
I have said repeatedly that I feel the reputation feature neither adds to, nor damages, F/T.

Then why have it :confused:

Dovster Apr 19, 2004 11:45 am


Originally Posted by jfe
Then why have it :confused:

It is one of the bells and whistles on F/T. Like Omni, it really has nothing to do with travel and could easily be dispensed with. However, again like Omni, there are people who get pleasure from it.

As an Omni mod, you are even more familiar than I am with the vile hate posts which form a very small percentage of Omni's content. Those posts are not sufficient reason to deprive F/T members of the ability to frequent Omni if they so desire and the abuse of the Reputation system is not sufficient reason to take away the pleasure that some gain from it.

jfe Apr 19, 2004 12:28 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster
As an Omni mod, you are even more familiar than I am with the vile hate posts which form a very small percentage of Omni's content. Those posts are not sufficient reason to deprive F/T members of the ability to frequent Omni if they so desire and the abuse of the Reputation system is not sufficient reason to take away the pleasure that some gain from it.

Then why are you boycotting OMNI and supporting the reputation system ;)

Dovster Apr 19, 2004 12:32 pm


Originally Posted by jfe
Then why are you boycotting OMNI and supporting the reputation system ;)

You know you don't want me to answer that question! :D

jfe Apr 19, 2004 12:35 pm

Please Do!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Originally Posted by Dovster
You know you don't want me to answer that question! :D


Please, I would love to hear it :)

jfe Apr 19, 2004 12:42 pm

BTW, you are welcomed to participate in what will be the biggest thread in FT history


Who Will Be The Next FlyerTalk Member To Post? An OMNI Game

Maybe you want to give OMNI another chance ;)

Dovster Apr 19, 2004 12:55 pm


Originally Posted by jfe
Please, I would love to hear it :)

Okay, but remember -- when the letters, especially from your fellow mods, start coming in saying "Why are you bringing that up again?" it was only in reply to your question.

I do not boycott Omni because of the hate posts.

I boycott Omni because of what I perceive to be unbalanced moderation. If the Reputation system were to be moderated and one side of the political spectrum be given great leeway in writing whatever it wanted while the other side found even mild comments being censored, I would boycott it also.

I see this as creating an uneven playing field and thus do not want to get in the game. Some people agree with me -- as evidenced not only by letters they sent me but the tendency of many on the political right to avoid Omni. Other people do not agree with me. They still enjoy going to Omni and for that reason I don't want to deprive them of that pleasure.

Incidentally, I saw recently where one person (who I don't believe is on the Right at all) has copied my signature and is now using it on his posts.

I want to make it clear that I am not franchising OBEs. I neither encourage nor discourage anyone from granting himself one. I can not comment on whether such usage is legal in the United Kingdom.

jfe Apr 19, 2004 1:05 pm


Originally Posted by Dovster
I see this as creating an uneven playing field and thus do not want to get in the game.

Same goes for the reputation feature ;)

Oh well, at least I tried, hate for people to hold grudges.

And unbalanced, only when I forget my medication :D

Dovster Apr 19, 2004 1:26 pm


Originally Posted by jfe
Same goes for the reputation feature ;)

Oh well, at least I tried, hate for people to hold grudges.

And unbalanced, only when I forget my medication :D

1. I am not holding a grudge. In fact, if you decide to show up at the Great Delta Board PBI-FLL Meet I would be very happy to have you join us. The same is true for the other Omni mods.

2. I was actually thinking of adding a line in my post saying "I only consider the moderation to be unbalanced, not the moderators."

3. None of this applies to the Reputation system. There is no moderation and hence can be no unequal moderation.

4. Forget number 4. Every blasted list you see has a number 4. I am going to go straight to number 5.

5. In view of some of the very extreme posts which have appeared in Omni since I have left (eg: gleefully calling for the nuclear destruction of Tel Aviv; saying of American civilians in Iraq "Will anyone regret if any one of these guys are hung on a bridge over the Euphrates ???? Not me;" and praising an advertisement calling for the murder of the Secretary of Defense) I almost certainly would do what I was unfairly accused of doing a few months ago: Make a personal attack. You would then have to ban me from Omni and I would no longer be posting there and we would be back to where we are right now, so why bother?


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