slhu82

Thanks for your help. Because of this 34000 miles error, I have to use the AI version. Both new version and AA allow me to fly LAX -> xMIA -> LIM and LIM -> xMIA -> IAH. I guess because I do not have stopover, it does not count as 2 trans-con?

I quickly use EF to search RT fare difference between QR and RJ. It actually differs a lot. That's might be reason why online tool does not allow to have QR as first leg. We will see once we get back from AA

steveholt

AA doesn't offer immediate pricing, so this is normal.

I'm now getting the "The chosen departure city requires British Airways to operate your first flight. Please choose a different departure city as British Airways is not permitted to operate the first flight. Alternatively, please contact British Airways directly to book your Round The World fare." message.

dvs7310

Looks like it's blocking all bookings out of CAI with that error. I can't even get it to go LHR or MAD. The first segment on QR has always created that error, but for it to block RJ and AT as well is new and it doesn't seem to want to put the first segment on BA or IB. I even tested the AI tool as well, it'll route onto IB or BA, but won't price. Hopefully this is temporary, but something tells me it's not a bug.

Completely make ex-CAI no use for me because I credit to AA, so don't want any long AA or BA segments to get one of them to book it. I don't know QF will book one manually without QF segments like the OW tool does when it sends bookings to QF. JL has extra fees but might be the only way to do it now.

**Edit: This is only ex-CAI. Other points of origin in the region are working as usual with RJ, BA, etc. on the first segment. Of course none of them have an attractive base fare.

dvs7310

QR has always had a higher base fare ex-CAI than the others (but never by $2000). Everyone else uses an EGP base fare, QR to my understanding uses USD and that appears to be the old USD base fare. To even see that on EF you have to specify QR in the search, it doesn't come up with the other OW carriers in the general CAI-CAI search. If I look at historical fares in EF, back a couple months ago the QF fare was $4570 on DONE4, so QR being $5220 seems about right.

That actually is an interesting data point then, someone else mentioned they ticketed with AA and if QR was the first segment the price spiked (this is before ticketing), and that now makes sense as AA would have been using the QR fare instead of the RJ or BA base fare. But to my understanding, if you make a change right after ticketing (and pay the $125 fee) then it'll still use the original fare and you can switch to QR from CAI. (I did that myself, and my base fare remained at 141,000 EGP for DONE4 or 145,000 EGP for DONE5, so it clearly did not switch to the QR base fare)

danger

izzik

LAX-MIA is the only transcon. MIA-IAH is not a transcon.

izzik

YMMV with JAL too. I had tried calling JAL to book and the agent wouldn't price anything out unless the first segment was JL. She tried to redirect me back to the OW tool online.

slhu82

1. you can not return to CGK without visiting another asia city.
2. TYO is your origin. so you only allowed to have 2 stopovers in Asia. You visited CGK twice so adding HKG causes the problem. If i were you, i will pick another airport close to CGK and drop HKG or buy CGK to HKG separately very cheap

jerry a. laska

1. There is nothing in the rules that prevents two visits to CGK. You cannot fly the same city pairs twice in the same direction but typical isn't doing this.
2. I think the problem that typical is having with the tool is that the tool treats every city you enter as a stopover. The tool does not recognize that I may want to choose a city to route to using the tool and merely connect there for less than 24 hours. As far as the rules go typical 's routing TYO-CGK-DOH....LAX-HKG-CGK-TYO would be legal with TYO-oCGK-DOH....LAX-xHKG-oCGK-TYO but the tool will only provide you a routing like LAX-HKG-CGK if you have entered LAX-CGK and it has decided that is legal and then it provides you the LAX-xHKG-CGK routing as an option when you go to select flights.

A travel agent, JAL, or AA (if typical has some AA overwater flights in there) could ticket but selecting transit cities in the continent of origin in difficult in the tool.

SirToby

If I may jump onto this topic:
Is this a similar problem with the itinerary I was playing around with?

hnd-dfw-lax-jfk-hel-agp-mad-lhr-doh-ktm-kul-cgk-hkg-cts-hnd

It would also give me errors saying too many stops in continent of origin, I am understanding it correctly, that it treats KTM, CGK and CTS as stopovers even if flight "connection" in KTM would be below 24 h?
(Plan would be to only have real stops in CGK and CTS, other Asian cities just connection points).

dvs7310

If you're inputting everything manually in the OW tool to get that KTM transit (as I'm pretty sure the OW tool would never offer that as a connection) then yes it'll count it as a stopover even if under 24h. You'd have to ticket that manually with AA, JL or BA but it's not invalid if under 24h.

Having said that you have too many segments in Asia. (continent of origin) KTM-KUL-CGK-HKG-CTS-HND is 5 segments and you're allowed only 4. You'd need to end your itinerary in CTS for two reasons, first is the 4 segment limit in Asia plus you can't return to the country of origin until the end of your itinerary (except North America). Generally that's fine though, the dometic ticket on JL is usually 15-20,000 JPY in Class J CTS to TYO, I want to say around 25,000 JPY in F. So if you eliminate your CTS-HND then you might get the tool to ticket as that would mean it'd be looking at KTM and CGK as stopovers and CTS as the end point.

SirToby

Thanks for your input, really appreciated!