xONEx max. 16 segments (speculation)
Jun 11, 2007 | 7:00 am
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Jun 28, 2007 | 6:21 pm
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The rules for segments have changed!
Hello all,
Am trying to book a LONE6.
My current itinerary is as follows:
syd-ayq, ayq-syd, syd-lax, sjo-mia, mia-aua, aua-jfk, jfk-gig, scl-ipc, ipc-scl, lim-mad, bcn-cai, lgw(lhr?)-rek, rek-lgw(lhr?), lhr-nbo, jnb-mru, mru-jnb, jnb-hkg, hkg-pek, pek-nrt, kix-cns.
However, the travel agent I'm working with in Sydney just emailed saying:
"******Sorry for the short notice********** but this airfare is changing it fare rules at the end of business tomorrow - Friday (Aust time) From Saturdsy the travel between your flights will be considered also as a segment therefore increasing segments - the only way to avoid this is to have the fare ticketed and paid for in full by the end of tomorrow."
Is this true?
Am trying to book a LONE6.
My current itinerary is as follows:
syd-ayq, ayq-syd, syd-lax, sjo-mia, mia-aua, aua-jfk, jfk-gig, scl-ipc, ipc-scl, lim-mad, bcn-cai, lgw(lhr?)-rek, rek-lgw(lhr?), lhr-nbo, jnb-mru, mru-jnb, jnb-hkg, hkg-pek, pek-nrt, kix-cns.
However, the travel agent I'm working with in Sydney just emailed saying:
"******Sorry for the short notice********** but this airfare is changing it fare rules at the end of business tomorrow - Friday (Aust time) From Saturdsy the travel between your flights will be considered also as a segment therefore increasing segments - the only way to avoid this is to have the fare ticketed and paid for in full by the end of tomorrow."
Is this true?
Jun 28, 2007 | 6:39 pm
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Perhaps related to this (timing is about right)?
If surface segments count in the limit of 20, a further worsening of xONEx relative to xRWSTARx. 
There has been some discussion ([insert link]) that move to 100% e-tickets may force surface segments to be included in the maximum segments (currently worded as flights) rule.
While looking for something else, I came across this.
Changes have been made to the following Oneworld and Global Explorer fares:
Oneworld Explorer Fare (AONE*/DONE*/L#ONE*)
Global Explorer Fare (AGLOB*/DGLOB*/L#GLOB*)
Oneworld Circle Pacific Explorer Fare (ACIR**/DCIR**/LCIR**)
Oneworld Circle Trip Explorer Fares (AONEWC*/ DONEWC*/ L#ONEWC*)
Circle Asia and South West Pacific Explorer Fares (AAS13/17/ DAS13/17/ LAS13/17)
Does anyone know what the changes are?
Originally Posted by Oneworld and Global Explorer Fare Update 21 June 2007
Changes have been made to the following Oneworld and Global Explorer fares:
Oneworld Explorer Fare (AONE*/DONE*/L#ONE*)
Global Explorer Fare (AGLOB*/DGLOB*/L#GLOB*)
Oneworld Circle Pacific Explorer Fare (ACIR**/DCIR**/LCIR**)
Oneworld Circle Trip Explorer Fares (AONEWC*/ DONEWC*/ L#ONEWC*)
Circle Asia and South West Pacific Explorer Fares (AAS13/17/ DAS13/17/ LAS13/17)
There has been some discussion ([insert link]) that move to 100% e-tickets may force surface segments to be included in the maximum segments (currently worded as flights) rule.
Jun 28, 2007 | 8:48 pm
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I see nothing on cxagents.com.
But if what you say is true then surely the rule is going to change to "16 segments including surface segments" since that seems to be the limit of the somewhat archaic software that the OneWorld alliance uses (not just "20 segments including surface segments").
If that happens without a round of significant fare reductions then IMO these tickets become pretty much useless for leisure travel.
But if what you say is true then surely the rule is going to change to "16 segments including surface segments" since that seems to be the limit of the somewhat archaic software that the OneWorld alliance uses (not just "20 segments including surface segments").
If that happens without a round of significant fare reductions then IMO these tickets become pretty much useless for leisure travel.
Jun 28, 2007 | 8:51 pm
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Just noticed this line in the fare rules from expertflyer:
EFFECTIVE FOR SALES/TRAVEL 01JUL07 - A MINIMUM OF 3 AND A MAXIMUM OF 20 SEGMENTS -INCLUDING SURFACE SEGMENTS- ARE PERMITTED FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
Last edited by Keith009; Jun 28, 2007 at 9:25 pm
Jun 28, 2007 | 9:33 pm
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Jun 29, 2007 | 3:43 am
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So I guess the next upset will come with OWE transfers between say, JFK and LGA, which on some cases is already considered a segment (for other tickets), will now count for the 20, stupid as it may sound.
Last edited by Viajero; Jun 29, 2007 at 8:16 am Reason: typo
Jun 29, 2007 | 7:35 am
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Jun 29, 2007 | 8:09 am
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Yes, that's what I meant (there was a typo in my post, now edited): that as from monday I fear same city transfers will count as part of the 20 segments which, if true, will be a significant negative.
Jun 29, 2007 | 10:56 am
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"EFFECTIVE FOR SALES/TRAVEL 01JUL07 ..."
Jun 29, 2007 | 11:09 am
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It is perfectly possible to make coupons out to NYC (certainly if open, not sure if on a specific flight), so there is probably a way round the same city problem. But surely that is just a small aspect of the overall devaluation if this comes to pass?