xONEx max. 16 segments (speculation)
Jun 1, 2007 | 8:03 pm
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Pun aside, I never know how to say the fare code when I'm talking to an airline on the phone. I'd like to say something A-WUN-Three, but at least once an agent had no idea what I meant until I spelled it out A-O-N-E-three.
Jun 2, 2007 | 2:47 am
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As far as E-tickets are concerned it'll be a maximum of 16 sectors. If you have a surface sector or arrive into one airport and depart from another, ie JFK/LGA, the ARNK bit counts as one sector !
AA is just preparing for end of 2007/beginning 2008 when all paper tickets will be done away with if e-ticketing is permitted. Which means that everything may be restricted to 16 sectors when you issue a RTW ticket. You may add on as you travel, but I don't know how AA or other oneworld partners will handle this - but I think it will be problematic no matter how simple the airlines want you to look at things.
AA is just preparing for end of 2007/beginning 2008 when all paper tickets will be done away with if e-ticketing is permitted. Which means that everything may be restricted to 16 sectors when you issue a RTW ticket. You may add on as you travel, but I don't know how AA or other oneworld partners will handle this - but I think it will be problematic no matter how simple the airlines want you to look at things.
Jun 2, 2007 | 3:05 am
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I've given up on that one; most of the time the agent doesn't know what I'm talking about (maybe due to my Spanglish) so I now just say "oneworld explorer, five continent, business class".
Jun 2, 2007 | 3:22 am
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http://www.itp.net/news/details.php?id=24035&category=
Who knows whether the extension will really occur.
Looks like the compulsory eticketing is going to cause quite a few problems with interline ticketing and RTW products.
Jun 2, 2007 | 8:09 am
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Wouldn't you just be able to have two e-tickets to get enough segments? I'm not familiar enough with the exact systems in booking to know, but I did see that a recent flight I had between AA and BA had two consecutive ticket numbers, one for the AA part and one for the BA part.
Jun 3, 2007 | 5:13 pm
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Programming staff have a habit of bidding vast sums for what seems like a simple change. Generally at least partially justified by the terrifying importance of making sure the change actually works as expected and doesn't somehow bring down the whole system. It's seldom as simple as crossing out a '16' somewhere and substituting a larger number.
Jun 3, 2007 | 6:15 pm
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Programming staff have a habit of bidding vast sums for what seems like a simple change. Generally at least partially justified by the terrifying importance of making sure the change actually works as expected and doesn't somehow bring down the whole system. It's seldom as simple as crossing out a '16' somewhere and substituting a larger number.
I had to laugh when the talk was that JL and MA's entry into OW was delayed pending updating their computer and res systems. Holy moley, what were they using? Abacus, fingers, toes and Post-its?
Jun 3, 2007 | 9:33 pm
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This may be a bit redundant for the conversation but the 16 segment limit applies only to future segments on the ticket. I just completed an e-ticketed AA 19 segment DONE4 by adding the flights in half way through, this was something I was going to do anyway but it does mean that you can do a 20 segment e-ticketed AA *ONE, you just need to pay a $120 fee for the extra 4 segments. Yes, sucky and not fair but better than not being able to do them.
Jun 4, 2007 | 9:42 am
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This may be a bit redundant for the conversation but the 16 segment limit applies only to future segments on the ticket. I just completed an e-ticketed AA 19 segment DONE4 by adding the flights in half way through, this was something I was going to do anyway but it does mean that you can do a 20 segment e-ticketed AA *ONE, you just need to pay a $120 fee for the extra 4 segments. Yes, sucky and not fair but better than not being able to do them.
Jun 11, 2007 | 12:12 am
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Will e-tickets force *ONE* to max. 16 segments from 2008? (merged threads)
As many people will know, IATA wants to phase out paper tickets by the end of 2007. As shown in other threads, AA already has a policy of a maximum of 16 segments unless they (or their GSA) can be persuaded to issue a paper ticket. Does anyone know if this 16 segment limit is something set in stone (or silicon) by IATA IT system design?
If it is, will this mean a loss of 4 segments on *ONE* itineraries or is there some way round it, such as issuing two 10 segment e-tickets? (I'm sure I've had back-to-back e-tickets on different airlines under a single reservation code.)
Russ (currently planning a post-retirement 60K+ DONE6 for next year)
If it is, will this mean a loss of 4 segments on *ONE* itineraries or is there some way round it, such as issuing two 10 segment e-tickets? (I'm sure I've had back-to-back e-tickets on different airlines under a single reservation code.)
Russ (currently planning a post-retirement 60K+ DONE6 for next year)
Jun 11, 2007 | 3:48 am
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Jun 11, 2007 | 5:08 am
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Deadline extended
The deadline has been put back to 31 May 2008. See here for details.
Personally, I reckon that the 80/20 rule will apply yet again. In April 2007, some 80% of worldwide (IATA) tickets were electronic. Those with loads of IT experience will know that it usually takes 80% of the total effort to cope with the last 20% of cases, as this is where the most intractable issues are to be found. We shall see if even end-2008 can actually be met.
Personally, I reckon that the 80/20 rule will apply yet again. In April 2007, some 80% of worldwide (IATA) tickets were electronic. Those with loads of IT experience will know that it usually takes 80% of the total effort to cope with the last 20% of cases, as this is where the most intractable issues are to be found. We shall see if even end-2008 can actually be met.
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