xONEx max. 16 segments (speculation)
May 30, 2007, 6:43 pm
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xONEx max. 16 segments (speculation)
I've just received an email from AA which is pushing the OW Explorer ticket and their RTW desk. One disturbing aspect is that it says "Prices are in USD and are based on U.S. point of sale/point of origin, exclude taxes & fees and allow a maximum of 16 flight segments." (my emphasis).
Any news/corroboration on whether this is just a mistake, or is another rule change imminent?
Any news/corroboration on whether this is just a mistake, or is another rule change imminent?
May 30, 2007, 7:21 pm
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It would seem logical for OW to reduce the maximum to 16 segments, since that number matches their infrastructure capabilities for ticket production. And afaik the ticket will still give more bang per buck than any competitive offering.
Thus, it's likely to remain at 20.
Thus, it's likely to remain at 20.
May 30, 2007, 7:37 pm
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May 30, 2007, 11:11 pm
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Agreed. 16 is a bit harsh, especially if *A RTW stays at 24. Hopefully it is just someone at AA mixing up the 2 concepts.
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May 31, 2007, 2:15 pm
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May 31, 2007, 2:33 pm
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Maybe issue separate tickets and cross reference them? Or is there something I'm not aware of prohibiting this from happening?
Jun 1, 2007, 7:56 am
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If you want to maximise exactly what the rules are saying. Lets say on a DONE4:
4 segments in Asia
4 Segments in SWP
6 Segments in US
4 Segments in Europe
That is 18 sectors already
Then to get from asia to SWP = 1 sector
SWP to US = 1 sector
US to EUR = 1 sector
EUR-Asia = 1 sector
total sectors required = 22.
4 segments in Asia
4 Segments in SWP
6 Segments in US
4 Segments in Europe
That is 18 sectors already
Then to get from asia to SWP = 1 sector
SWP to US = 1 sector
US to EUR = 1 sector
EUR-Asia = 1 sector
total sectors required = 22.
Jun 1, 2007, 8:58 am
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The 20 segment limit only came in within the last 4-5 years IIRC. Previously there was no overall segment limit, just the restrictions on flight segments in individual continents. Imagine doing MRs before that enhancement. 
edited to add: Found a thread detailing the introduction of the 20 segment rule - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185964
edited to add: Found a thread detailing the introduction of the 20 segment rule - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=185964
Jun 1, 2007, 11:19 am
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Jun 1, 2007, 1:09 pm
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I can imagine it, because I did it. This was my first AONE5 ex-ARN, issued in January 2002:
ARN-(BA)-LHR-(BA)-DXB-(BA)-LHR//FRA-(AA)-DFW-(AA)-SCL-(LA)-IPC-(LA)-SCL-(LA)-LAX-(AA)-ORD-(AA-SEA-(AA)-ORD-(AA)- SFO-(AA)-ORD//JFK-(AA)-SFO-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-KIX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-DPS-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-BKK-(QF)-SYD-(QF)-AYQ-(QF)-PER-(QF)- SYD-(LA)-AKL-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-LHR-(BA)-ARN
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=A...OR=&MAP-STYLE=
ARN-(BA)-LHR-(BA)-DXB-(BA)-LHR//FRA-(AA)-DFW-(AA)-SCL-(LA)-IPC-(LA)-SCL-(LA)-LAX-(AA)-ORD-(AA-SEA-(AA)-ORD-(AA)- SFO-(AA)-ORD//JFK-(AA)-SFO-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-KIX-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-DPS-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-BKK-(QF)-SYD-(QF)-AYQ-(QF)-PER-(QF)- SYD-(LA)-AKL-(CX)-HKG-(CX)-LHR-(BA)-ARN
http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=A...OR=&MAP-STYLE=
I think the ONE product is still awesome value with the 20 segment limit. Then again I'm only in the midst of issuing my first, a DONE4 - might have a different opinion if I've done a DONE (pardon the pun) before the 20 segment limit.
Jun 1, 2007, 4:56 pm
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As far as E-tickets are concerned it'll be a maximum of 16 sectors. If you have a surface sector or arrive into one airport and depart from another, ie JFK/LGA, the ARNK bit counts as one sector !
AA is just preparing for end of 2007/beginning 2008 when all paper tickets will be done away with if e-ticketing is permitted. Which means that everything may be restricted to 16 sectors when you issue a RTW ticket. You may add on as you travel, but I don't know how AA or other oneworld partners will handle this - but I think it will be problematic no matter how simple the airlines want you to look at things.
AA is just preparing for end of 2007/beginning 2008 when all paper tickets will be done away with if e-ticketing is permitted. Which means that everything may be restricted to 16 sectors when you issue a RTW ticket. You may add on as you travel, but I don't know how AA or other oneworld partners will handle this - but I think it will be problematic no matter how simple the airlines want you to look at things.