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The information in this wiki is out of date - please see the information in the wiki in this new thread ---> The Oneworld Explorer User Guide

The oneworld explorer ticket thread.

Thanks to eamus in particular for the work in starting this thread and collating this information, which is taken from his two posts. This wiki supersedes the information in those first two posts. It is now community-maintained, please be bold and amend as you see fit.

The purpose of this thread is to collect some FAQs on the most popular oneworld ticket, the Explorer. This thread is not intended to be totally comprehensive, nor is it a substitute for using the search function for specific or obscure points (the search function is at the top right of your screen, in case you missed it!). It is an aid for planning your massive mileage-earning trip round the world on the airlines of the oneworld alliance. Once you have trawled through this thread you should be OK to start work on your itinerary. If you have any questions not covered here or in a search of old threads, don't be afraid to post and ask the experts here.

Please note that while we attempt to be as accurate as possible, the official rules do change. The airline who issues your ticket will have final say on what the rules are, and how they interpret them. Here goes:

Terminology:

Q: You people seem to like talking in code. Do you have a glossary?
A: Of course. Here are some basic terms:

ONE or OWE = oneworld Explorer ticket
DONE4 = D class (business class) oneworld Explorer ticket for 4 continents. The initial letter is A, D or L depending on whether it is First, Bus. or Economy, and the final number is the number of continents, 3-6 (sometimes a * is used to indicate a generic question/response, eg. *ONE4 or *ONE*)
Segment = a flight with a single flight number between two cities, whether or not it stops between the origin and destination, and whether or not there is a change of aircraft along the way. So for instance SYD-JFK is one segment even though it stops in LAX, but NRT-HKT is two segments (NRT-HKG, HKG-HKT) since there is no oneworld single flight number between NRT and HKT. Don't confuse "segment" with "sector," another term you often see. A sector is one take off and one landing, so SYD-JFK is two sectors but only one segment.

Other Useful Terms:
F, J, Y = the full price booking classes for first, business and economy classes respectively. Being discount tickets, *ONE* tickets generally use A, D or L for the respective classes, but sometimes people like to use "J" as a generic way of describing business class, for instance.
RTW = round the world
SWP = South West Pacific (one of the continents)
WT+ = World Traveller Plus, the premium economy cabin on some BA flights

The Airlines:
AA = American Airlines
AB = Air Berlin (HG for Niki) Shutdown 28 Oct 2017
AY = Finnair
AT = Royal Air Maroc (joined 1 April 2020)
BA = British Airways
CX = Cathay Pacific (and KA for Cathay Dragon)
IB = Iberia
JJ = LATAM Left OW alliance
JL = Japan Airlines (and NU for Japan Transocean AIr)
LA = Lan Chile (and XL, 4M for the other Lan's) Left OW alliance
MH = Malaysia Airlines
QF = Qantas (which DOES NOT HAVE A "U" IN IT !!!!!!!)
QR = Qatar Aiways
RJ = Royal Jordanian
S7 = S7 Airlines
UL = SriLankan Airlines


The Basics:

Q: What airlines can I fly with on a ONE ticket?
A: Any oneworld airline, as listed above, or their affiliate airlines (list below may not be up to date, see oneworld.com):

American Eagle (operated by Envoy Airlines, Republic Airlines, SkyWest Airlines, ExpressJet Airlines, Mesa Airlines, Compass Airlines, Trans States Airlines, PSA Airlines, Piedmont Airlines, and Air Wisconsin)

Belair
LGW
TUlfly


BA CitiFlyer including flights operated by Eastern Airways
Comair [South Africa](not to be confused with the Delta affiliate in the US with the same name)
SUN-AIR of Scandinavia
Open Skies
BA Limited

Nordic Regional Airlines (Norra)

Air Norstrum
Iberia Express

J-Air
HAC (Hokkaido Air System)

LATAM Express
LATAM Peru
LATAM Colombia

Alliance Airlines
QantasLink operated by Eastern Australia, Jetconnect (NZ), National Jet Systems, Sunstate Airlines, and Network Aviation

Globus

NOTE: Codeshare flights operated by other partner/affiliate airlines are not permitted on this ticket. So for example the QF flights that are codeshares operated by FJ (Air Pacific) are not eligible. However it is possible to fly on codeshares within the alliance. For example you can take an AA flight number that is actually operated by BA. The benefit of doing this is that it may help depending on which frequent flyer membership you are with, and what bonuses are given with these flights.

NOTE: If a ticket includes travel to/from/via Cuba it may not also include flight segments for travel on American Airlines/American Eagle/American Connection due to US Government restrictions. [this may have cha

Q: What are the basic rules of the fare?
A: It is a round the world ticket, so you must cross both the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean, but can only do so once for each ocean. The fare is calculated based on the number of continents you visit. The continents are counted even if you only change planes there (eg. stopping in Asia on a flight from Europe to Australia), and the continent count includes the continent of origin. See below for backtracking rules. You can fly up to 16 segments in total.

Q: Can I backtrack?
A: You can backtrack within countries and continents, but you cannot re-enter a continent after leaving it, except: (a) a transit without stopover in Asia on a flight between Europe and SWP or vice versa, (b) a transit without stopover in North America on a flight between South America and SWP, Asia or Europe or vice versa, (c) two permitted in Europe/Middle, for travel originating in Africa, Africa - Europe/Middle East - RTW - Europe/Middle East - Africa, for travel originating other than Africa, Europe/Middle East - Africa - Europe/Middle East, one of the visits to Europe/Middle East must be a transfer without stopover between Africa and the previous/next continent, if travel to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa.

Any of these transit without stopover benefits can be taken in either direction (eg. Europe-SWP or SWP-Europe) and either before or after you wish to enter the continent for the second time to use your stopovers there. You can only leave and re-enter the continent of origin once, except for North America where you may have an additional transit without stopover.

Q: What are the continents on which the fare is calculated? Which countries are in which continent?
A: Forget all your geography lessons, and take a look at the map accessible by clicking this hyperlink and you should see the continents. For those who prefer the text, oneworld defines the continents as follows:

North America = United States, Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean area, Central America and Panama
South America = all of South America other than Panama
Europe = all of Europe, including Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, and all of the Middle East including Egypt and Sudan
Africa = all of Africa other than Algeria, Egypt, Morocco and Tunisia
Asia = all of Asia excluding everything in the South West Pacific
South West Pacific = all of the South West Pacific, including Australia and New Zealand

Q: How many of those 16 segments can I use in each continent?
A: You get four (4) segments in each of Europe, Africa, Asia, South America and South West Pacific, and six (6) segments in North America. None of the intercontinental flights, including those across the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, count against any continent allowance, although obviously they do count against your 16 segment total allowance. There are, in addition, other restrictions you need to be aware of.

Q: What about surface segments (eg arrive at LGA and depart from JFK)?
A: These are counted towards the total of 16 segments.

Q: Are there any other restrictions that I have per region/continent?
A: Yes:

Europe - Not more than two Europe/Middle East segments may be used for journeys between the U.K. and the following: Algeria, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Georgia, Greece, Israel, Macedonia, Malta, Montenegro, Morocco, Funchal, Portugal, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Tunisia, Ukraine, and the Middle East. You get four segments in Europe, so if you go from Heathrow to, say, Dubai, you cannot then go from Heathrow to Greece and back.

Americas - Within North America, only one transcontinental flight is allowed between selected cities on the East and West Coasts. "Transcontinental" is defined as a flight between one of ATL/BWI/BOS/CLT/FLL/BDL/MIA/EWR/NYC/ORL/PHL/PIT/SJU/RDU/TPA/YYZ/WAS/PBI and one of LAS/LGB/LAX/OAK/PHX/PDX/SAN/SFO/SJC/SNA/SEA/YVR. Also, in North America only one segment is permitted between the continental US and Hawaii (so if you want to visit Hawaii, you must go to/from Australia), and only one flight to/from ANC (Anchorage, Alaska) is permitted.

South West Pacific - within Australia only one flight is permitted between:
* Perth, and Brisbane, Canberra, Cairns, Melbourne or Sydney
* Darwin, and Canberra, Melbourne or Sydney
* Broome, and Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney
* Dampier, and Brisbane, Melbourne or Sydney

Exceptions - there is no restriction between Sydney/Melbourne & Perth for passengers originating in:
* Perth, when in conjunction with travel to/from Jo'burg/Shanghai
* New Zealand, when in conjunction with travel to/from Jo'burg

Q: Can I take the QF flight from LAX-JFK (or vice versa) even if I don't have an onward flight with QF?
A: No. The rules would appear to allow it, but in actual practice QF does not. (Edited to add: The OWE rules don't prohibit it, but QF does not have 5th freedom rights to carry passengers solely between LAX and JFK, i.e., domestically within the U.S. The Passenger must originate/terminate in Australia.)

Q: Can I buy more segments?
A: This is no longer permitted. If you want to exceed the per-continent segment limit, one option is to add a "side trip" which are additional flights that are part of the ticket but calculated and priced per their own fare; you are still limited to a maximum of 16 sectors on one ticket. Another option is to include one or more flights in the booking record that are priced and ticketed separately; since such flights are on their own ticket, they do not count against the 16 segment limit of the main ticket. Not all agents or airlines are comfortable issuing separate tickets out of one booking record, so it is easier to book in a new record, but keeping al flights in one record and issuing separate tickets is often used to increase the ease of having connections protected when there are flight delays, schedule changes, etc.

Q: What about stopovers? What are the rules? And benefits?
A: A stopover is break in your journey of more than 24 hours. You can have as many stopovers as you like (one per segment if you like), but you cannot have more than two stopovers in the continent of origin. The key thing here is the 24-hour rule, and there are two main benefits. First, at some airports (eg. LHR) not having a stopover can save significant taxes as you will be classed as a passenger in transit, and second, you can stop for dinner and a night with friends, even if you are out of stopovers in the country of origin.

Q: Where can I fly on a ONE ticket?
A: You can get an idea of available destinations from the maps on the AA website at this hyperlink; just select oneworld cities once the relevant area has loaded. There is also a pretty bad map on the oneworld website here.

Q: What tools are available for working out my itinerary and the airline timetables?
A) You can access the official oneworld trip planner on https://rtw.oneworld.com/rtw/ - this includes the ability to book most itineraries online.

Q: Can I end my itinerary in a city other than the one where I started?
A: Yes. You can separate your origin and destination under any of the following circumstances: anywhere within the country of origin, between the US and Canada, anywhere within Africa, anywhere within the Middle East, between Hong Kong and China, between Malaysia and Singapore, or between Maldives and Sri Lanka or India. So you could start in CAI and end in DXB, but could not start in JFK and end in MEX.


Booking Tickets:
Q: The booking classes are A (first), D (business) and L (economy). If I buy a first class ticket and there is no first class on my flight, what happens?
A: That depends on what you mean by "no first class." If the seat inventory (A in this case, but the same goes for D) is not available for the flight you want and you can't get a flight that does have available inventory, you get downgraded to the next available inventory class (A goes down to D, and D goes down to L) and no compensation or refund is payable. Except on two class US domestic flights, if the plane is only one class (all economy) or two class (economy and business), then you get downgraded and no compensation or refund is payable. On two class US domestic flights and QR flights within the Middle East, if you hold a D class ticket you can book into the A (first) inventory, if it is available, at no extra charge. On domestic flights on AE (American Eagle), AY, and LA (which are one class except LA's SCL-IPC), all A and D tickets book into the Y (full fare economy) inventory bucket which means it is economy seating, but there should be plenty of availability.

Q: Can I upgrade some of the segments to fly business/first class?
A: In limited circumstances. Your options are: (a) you can upgrade your entire itinerary - subject to availability - by paying the higher class fare but otherwise without penalty, (b) flights operated by AA may be upgraded with AA miles, (c) US/Canada domestic flights operated by AA may be upgraded with 500-mile "sticker" upgrades issued by AA, (d) flights operated by CX may be upgraded using CX miles, (e) flights marketed and operated by JL may be upgraded using JL miles, and (f) flights operated by QF may be upgraded using QF miles/upgrade credits. BA also offers "on board" upgrades for prices ranging from GBP200 up if there is a spare seat on board. Talk to the purser when you board, but these upgrades only qualify for the mileage/status you originally booked. For instance if you were in BA economy and upgraded on board to WT+ for GBP200 on LHR-SIN, you only get the discount economy miles, not the WT+ miles.

Q: Can I upgrade some of the segments to fly premium economy class ?
A: Economy class can be upgraded to CX,JL,QF premium economy cabin or BA World Traveller Plus cabin for an additional charge, per flight segments.
USD1450 for SWP-Asia, SWP-Europe/Middle East, SWP-Norrh America, SWP-South America. USD350 for SEA-South Asian Subcontinent, SEA-Japan/Korea, USD250 for within SEA,Australia,Middle East. USD950 for all ohter sectors.
Booking class: BA(T), JL(E), CX(R), QF(R).

Q: What is an open segment and why would I book that?
A: An open segment is basically setting your itinerary in advance, but not confirming your seat on the plane. You do this by leaving the date on the flight coupon (eg. LHR-JFK) open, even though you have decided that you will at some point be flying that route. You might do this as it is easier to change your travel timing as you go. If you set all the flight dates and then needed to make a change at some point, you may have to change all the onward flights and not just the next one or two.

The downside is that you need the inventory to be available on the date you finally want to travel, and on some routes/carriers at certain times of the year, A and D inventory may have limited availability. Further, it gives you no protection should a route be discontinued. If a route between XXX and YYY is discontinued, you then will have to pay the reroute fee and use an additional segment to fly XXX-ZZZ-YYY.

Q: Can I change my mind?
A: Yes, you will find the *ONE* to be a reasonably flexible ticket. Date/time changes are permitted at no charge, and subject to availability you can change the oneworld carrier you want to use without charge as long as there is no change in origin/destination and intermediate points (eg. changing BA to QF for a flight SYD-LHR). Changes other than date/time (routing is the obvious change) incur a US$125 charge and the ticket is reissued, with some carriers charging you a service fee. Date/time changes are permitted at no charge, but routing changes incur a US$125 charge, and again some carriers charge you a service fee. The rules don't state that routing changes in this case are a reissue (see below about what happens if the rules change). The number of continents/extra flight segments may be increased or decreased and you will be charged/refunded accordingly. If you change the date or time of your first flight and the ticket price has increased since you bought the ticket, you'll pay the higher fare. If you need to cancel before departure, tickets originating in North or South America incur a penalty of 10% of the ticket price, tickets originating elsewhere incur no penalty. If you need to cancel after departure, all tickets other than those originating in SWP (no penalty) or Japan (lower of 10% penalty or JPY50,000) incur a 10% penalty. You may get a refund of the unused portion of your ticket based on the cost of the flights used to date and the penalty due.

Q: What happens if the rules on my ticket change, or are about to change?
A: If the rules change before your ticket is issued, then the new rules will apply and you will have to change any existing reservations that are not permitted under the new rules. If the rules change after your ticket is issued, the rules that apply are those that were in force when your ticket was issued. But be aware - if after the rules change you want to cancel the ticket, or to do something not permitted under the old rules, then the ticket will be cancelled and reissued, and the new rules will apply. If you are worried about rule changes and want to maximize your flexibility, set your last flight to be 12 months after the date of your first flight (which is permitted). This gives you 12 months' worth of flexibility once you start travelling since date changes are currently free of charge. To give yourself even more flexibility, get your ticket issued up to 12 months in advance of your first flight (which is also permitted), which gives you an effective 2 year lock on the rules as long as you don't change that first flight.

Q: How much does the ticket cost?
A: The base ticket price depends on the number of continents you visit, a minimum of three and a maximum of six, and the starting country. Oneworld no longer publishes a list of base ticket prices. Taxes and charges are added to this base ticket price as determined by your itinerary. Note that similar or even identical itineraries can thus have varied pricing depending on which airlines you fly and/or use to ticket as charges can vary between airlines flown and ticketing . Infants under 2 and not occupying a seat are charged 10% of the adult fare. Children 2-11 and occupying a seat are charged 75% of the adult fare, except for tickets originating in India where they pay 67% of the adult fare.

Q: If I pony up the money for an A ticket, which routes still have "real" first class?
A: This is a bit of a moving target, but essentially the following routes have traditional first class service on a three class plane (all include the reverse routes too):

AA - LHR to LAX, JFK, ORD, BOS and MIA; NRT to LAX, SJC and JFK; GRU to MIA and JFK; DFW to LGW and FRA; and some flights MIA to EZE
BA - LHR to SYD, HKG, SIN, NRT, HND, KUL, PEK, PVG, JFK, EWR, YYZ, YVR, BOS, PHL, ATL, AUS, DFW, DEN, IAH, LAX, LAS, SJC, SAN, IAD, PHX, SFO, SEA, MIA, JNB, CPT, DXB, AUH, MCT, DOH, ABV, LOS, ACC, BOM, NBO, GRU, SCL, MEX, DEL, BLR, BAH, JED, RUH, KWI, TLV and CAI; LGW to BGI, BDA, GND, POS, UVF
CX - HKG to LHR, JFK, LAX, YVR, FRA, SFO, and CDG; some flights HKG to HND, and unpredictably to NRT, SIN, BKK, MNL, KIX, SEL, TPE, and CGK.
JL - HND to CDG, LHR, and SFO; NRT to JFK, LAX, ORD, CGK, and SYD.
QF - LAX to JFK, SYD and MEL; SYD-SFO + SFO-YVR (seasonal), LHR to SIN, BKK, HKG, SYD and MEL; some flights HKG to SYD and MEL, SYD-JNB (seasonal F Class offering?), although one weekly SYD-JNB (Fridays?) and SYD-SFO service is operated by Qantas' 2-class 747-400s (no First Class, only J/Y).
QR - Any route served by the Airbus 380.
LA - SCL to MAD, FRA, AKL, and SYD

Q: Have there been any problems with handwritten tickets?
A: You need to confirm that each airline receives the ticket number for the flights that are booked on them. In particular, Cathay has been known to cancel space if it has not received the ticket number. Although the booking airline should send the ticket number to all airlines on the itinerary, it is best to call Cathay to assure they have received it.

Code:
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 104N . * WHEN A TICKET MUST BE HANDWRITTEN, IT IS
 105N . NECESSARY TO MANUALLY INSERT AN SSR MESSAGE TO
 106N . ADVISE THE TICKET NUMBER TO ALL CARRIERS IN THE
 107N . ITINERARY. THIS WILL PREVENT THE OTHER CARRIERS
 108N . FROM CANCELING SPACE DUE TO NO TICKET NUMBER.
 
 Booking Class:
 AONEx DONEx IONEx LONEx
 AA(except AA2755-6099) A D I L
 AA2755-6099 D/Y D/Y I L
 BA/CX/KA/MH/QF/QR A D I L
 AB/HG/IB/RJ/UL D D I L
 S7 D D D L
 AY International D D I L
 AY Domestic Y Y Y L
 JL International A D I L
 JL/NU Domestic F J J Y
 JJ J/W D/W I/W L
 LA International J/W D/W I/W L
 XL/4M International J/W D I L
 LA IPC-SCL vv J/W D I L
 LA/XL/4M Domestic Y Y Y L
 AA PREMIUM ECONOMY P
 IB PREMIUM ECONOMY T
 BA WORLD TRAVELLER PLUS T
 CX/QF PREMIUM ECONOMY R
 JL PREMIUM ECONOMY E

Miles and Status:

This is a very difficult section, since what you will earn in terms of miles and elite status depends on which airline program you want to use. As a related point, you may find that a routing needs to be constructed using or avoiding certain oneworld airlines because of the mileage-earning implications. For instance, L class tickets on BA gets 25% miles when booked to the QF program, but the same L ticket on the QF codeshare earns 100% QF miles. All programs are geared off the booking class, so knowing the booking class and the flight number/operator are the key points. The best advice is to thoroughly check the earning rules for your preferred program(s), and if necessary, post questions on your local airline forum if you are unsure. That said, there a very general FAQ that the regulars on this forum thought should be posted.

Q: I know that the booking classes are A, D and L, but what happens to my miles if I am booked into another class?
A: Generally you will earn miles for the class in which you travel. If you are downgraded from A to D, you will earn D miles/status. Similarly, if you are on a domestic US flight and your D ticket is booked into the A inventory, you will earn A miles/status. If you upgrade individual flights, you receive the miles for the flight in which you were booked originally (ie. before the upgrade) except for pre-paid WT+ upgrades where you get the applicable WT+ miles/status. As said above, on board upgrades on BA earn miles/status for the class originally booked.

Q: Is there a consistent baggage limit, and if so, what is it?
A: The xONEx checked baggage allowance is 2 pieces. Each carrier can specify its own limit on the maximum weight allowed per piece. On some it is 32kg, on others it is 23kg, and there may be variations for some flights (eg QF domestic prop flights have a lower limit).


Further Information:
All the above information comes from the universal starfiles, which are the rules applicable to these (and other) tickets. Some very nice FTers have obtained copies of the rules and posted them on their websites. Note though that since the airlines do not routinely make the starfiles available to the public there may be a time lag in updated files becoming available to this community.

The oneworld.com does now routinely publish the rules which can be found by searching on their website via http://www.oneworld.com/search-results?q=rules

Validity Tools to check your routing
This tool is great for doing initial validity checks on your routing: http://www.slfft.org/mm/award.htm

If this location is inaccessible, see this thread for more information: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...ml#post6954703

Earning AA miles & status https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/amer...-miles-aa.html

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AB Air Berlin shut down 28 Oct 2017
LA Latam left OW May 2020
AT joined OW 1 April 2020






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Old Nov 30, 2014 | 7:23 am
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Originally Posted by Calchas
The sixteen sector limit is a technical restriction imposed by IATA. An e-ticket cannot hold more than sixteen sectors, including surface sectors. (Well actually, each e-ticket can only hold four sectors, but you can join up to four tickets together to form a booklet of conjunction tickets.)

If you want more sectors, you will have to book them separately.

(Some airlines did used to violate this provision by creating larger ticket booklets of more than four tickets, but the tickets they produced were non-standard and caused difficulties for other airlines, so IATA has become quite strict about the 16 segment ceiling now.)
Sorry - I didn't make it clear - I meant that if I wanted more than the 4 per continent limit whilst still staying within the overall 16 limit, was there anything that I could do? Sorry I didn't make that clear first time.

Additionally - I'm getting an error:

One of the visits to Europe must be a transfer without stopover (less than 24 hours) between Africa and the previous/next continent. Additionally, travel may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
My trip starts JNB->MLE (via LON, DOH) and finishes JFK->JNB (via LON) and at no other time touches Europe - both of these stopovers are less than 24 hours. Is the rtw planner wrong? Or am I misunderstanding the rules (which I think allow you 2 visits to Europe, and 1 that lasts more than 24 hours- currently I have no visits lasting > 24 hours but 2 visits to Europe.)

Thanks in advance!

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Originally Posted by Byrneand
Thanks Gardyloo for the reply, very helpful.

1) We'd be looking to do the trip in business.
2) Apologies yes its Male so MLE.
3) Fully aware of the infant charge of 10% which is fine. Key issue is if we are starting the trip in JNB but routing back up to London en route to MLE, can we pick up our infant at that point (say after 4/5 days with the grandparents whilst we would be in SA). E.g. Can you add the infant for specific legs?
As far as I know, no, you'd have to include the infant on all segments, but how things would actually work out in practice I can't say. Presumably by not appearing for the first segment, the infant's overall ticket would be in question.

However, you also state,
Key issue is if we are starting the trip in JNB but routing back up to London en route to MLE
This creates an unticketable itinerary, owing to the (relatively new) rule 3.2.1, to wit:

3.2.1 Africa-Europe-RTW-Europe-Africa

One of the visits to Europe must be a transfer without stopover between Africa and the previous/next continent. Travel may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
So in other words you could start in, say, Kenya, head to London then on to MLE, and then end back in Africa - anywhere except South Africa or Mauritius - provided the second pass through London (or the first) was just a plane change. But in that case, the price advantage created by starting the trip in JNB would also be moot.

It really sounds to me like you should give consideration to starting in someplace like Jordan, Israel or Egypt, eliminating the fourth continent, and still not pay too big a penalty in cost terms.
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Originally Posted by pauljeff
Sorry - I didn't make it clear - I meant that if I wanted more than the 4 per continent limit whilst still staying within the overall 16 limit, was there anything that I could do? Sorry I didn't make that clear first time.
There used to be provision in the rules that one could purchase additional segments within all but the originating continent for $XXX per segment depending on booking class, and provided that the overall 16 segment limitation wasn't exceeded. As far as I can see, that option has been dropped from the rules.

Originally Posted by pauljeff
My trip starts JNB->MLE (via LON, DOH) and finishes JFK->JNB (via LON) and at no other time touches Europe - both of these stopovers are less than 24 hours. Is the rtw planner wrong? Or am I misunderstanding the rules (which I think allow you 2 visits to Europe, and 1 that lasts more than 24 hours- currently I have no visits lasting > 24 hours but 2 visits to Europe.)
No, the itinerary will be invalid, as it violates rule 3.2.1 -

3.2.1 Africa-Europe-RTW-Europe-Africa

One of the visits to Europe must be a transfer without stopover between Africa and the previous/next continent. Travel may not include Mauritius/South Africa.
You need to refer to the official rules when planning a complicated trip. Have aspirin handy.
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask but here goes;

I am looking at combining a trip into Asia and the United States early next year. I was wondering if it is possible to find Circle Pacific fare information online? (I am based in Sydney).

Is it still the case that HKG is the cheapest place to buy a circle pacific ticket in Asia? If so, is there a way this can be purchased online? I can position somewhere else in Asia if it is significantly cheaper than ex SYD.

Thanks in advance.
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask but here goes;

I am looking at combining a trip into Asia and the United States early next year. I was wondering if it is possible to find Circle Pacific fare information online? (I am based in Sydney).

Is it still the case that HKG is the cheapest place to buy a circle pacific ticket in Asia? If so, is there a way this can be purchased online? I can position somewhere else in Asia if it is significantly cheaper than ex SYD.

Thanks in advance.
Perhaps we should start a separate thread. For now, here is the fare information for a DCIR22.

You will have to purchase this through the airline ticketing desk or potentially through a competent travel agent.

I've not had time to look at prices for you

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Departing HKG on 19/12/14 for HKG
Fare basis code DCIR22
Flying AA

Rule Category                           Rule Text

RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS      NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
                                           VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                           FIRST/BUSINESS/ECONOMY CLASS CIRCLE TRIP EXPLORER
                                           FARES
                                           APPLICATION
                                            AREA
                                             THESE FARES APPLY 
                                              BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 3.
                                            CLASS OF SERVICE
                                             THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS/ECONOMY CLASS
                                              SERVICE.
                                            TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
                                             FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
                                              CIRCLE-TRIP/SINGLE OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
                                             FARES APPLY BETWEEN POINTS IN AREA 1 AND AREA 3
                                              VIA THE NORTH/CENTRAL PACIFIC - IE. BETWEEN ASIA
                                              AND THE AMERICAS IN ONE DIRECTION AND VIA SOUTH
                                              PACIFIC - IE. BETWEEN THE AMERICAS AND AUSTRALIA/
                                              NEW ZEALAND IN THE OTHER DIRECTION FOR TRAVEL
                                              TRAVEL ORIGINATING AND TERMINATING IN -
                                              A. AUSTRALIA    B. BRUNEI
                                              C. CAMBODIA     D. CANADA
                                              E. CHINA        F. HONG KONG
                                              G. INDONESIA    H. JAPAN
                                              I. MALAYSIA     J. MEXICO
                                              K. MYANMAR      L. NEW ZEALAND
                                              M. PHILIPPINES  N. SINGAPORE
                                              O. SOUTH AMERICAP. SOUTH KOREA
                                              Q. TAIWAN       R. THAILAND
                                              S. USA          T. VIETNAM      ---
                                              FARES APPLY ONLY IF PURCHASED PRIOR TO DEPARTURE.
                                              ---
                                              A MAXIMUM OF 16 SEGMENTS INCLUDING SURFACE
                                              SEGMENTS BETWEEN ANY 2 AIRPORTS ARE PERMITTED
                                              FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
                                              ---
                                            CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
                                             THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS
                                              CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY
                                              THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
                                              AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,
                                              WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN
                                              FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST
                                              JUDGEMENT.
                                             FIRST/BUSINESS/ECONOMY CLASS CIRCLE TRIP TRAVEL
                                              VIA AA/BA/CX/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/UL/US
                                              /XL/4M.
                                            OTHER CONDITIONS
                                             PASSENGER EXPENSES NOT PERMITTED.
                                             ---
                                             TWO FREE PIECES OF 23 KILOS EACH SHALL BE
                                             PERMITTED.  ADDITIONAL ALLOWANCES MAY APPLY.
                                             REFER TO INDIVIDUAL CARRIER WEBSITES.
                                        
ELIGIBILITY                                NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
                                        
DAY/TIME                                   NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
                                        
SEASONALITY                                NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
                                        
FLIGHT APPLICATION                               NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  THE TOTAL JOURNEY MUST NOT EXCEED AN MPM OF -
                                                    -
                                                    ACIR22/DCIR22/LCIR22       22000
                                                    ACIR26/DCIR26/LCIR26       26000
                                                    ACIR29SA/DCIR29SA/LCIR29SA 29000
                                                    -
                                                    SURCHARGE TABLES ARE NOT PERMITTED
                                                    -
                                                    NOT EXCEED A TOTAL OF 16 SEGMENTS INCLUDING
                                                    SURFACE SEGMENTS BETWEEN ANY 2 AIRPORTS.
                                                  ---
                                                  A. TRAVEL MUST BE ON AA/BA/CX/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/
                                                  NU/QF/QR/RJ/UL/US/XL/4M AND THEIR AFFILIATES ONLY.
                                                  ---
                                                  B. FOR -CIR22 AND -CIR26 FARES
                                                  TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE NORTH/CENTRAL PACIFIC IN
                                                  ONE DIRECTION AND THE SOUTH WEST PACIFIC IN THE
                                                  OTHER DIRECTION OR VICE VERSA. ONLY ONE NORTH/
                                                  CENTRAL PACIFIC CROSSING AND ONE SOUTH WEST
                                                  PACIFIC CROSSING IS PERMITTED. TRAVEL ORIGINATING
                                                  IN OR INCLUDING SOUTH AMERICA IS NOT PERMITTED.
                                                  FOR -CIR29SA FARES
                                                  TRAVEL MUST ORIGINATE IN OR INCLUDE SOUTH AMERICA.
                                                  TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE NORTH/CENTRAL PACIFIC IN
                                                  ONE DIRECTION AND VIA CHILE/ARGENTINA TO/FROM
                                                  THE SOUTH WEST PACIFIC PACIFIC USING THE SERVICES
                                                  OF QF/LA IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.
                                                  ---
                                                  C. ONLY ONE INTERCONTINENTAL DEPARTURE AND ONE
                                                  INTERCONTINENTAL ARRIVAL PERMITTED IN EACH
                                                  CONTINENT.  CONTINENTS ARE DEFINED AS ASIA / NORTH
                                                  AMERICA / SOUTH AMERICA / SOUTHWEST PACIFIC.
                                                  ---
                                                  D. TRAVEL VIA THE CARIBBEAN/BERMUDA AND CENTRAL
                                                  AMERICA IS NOT PERMITTED ON ANY FARE.
                                                  ---
                                                  E.TRAVEL ON ANY AA/BA/CX/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR
                                                    /RJ/UL/US/XL/4M CODESHARE SERVICES OPERATED BY
                                                  AA/BA/CX/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/UL/US/XL/4M IS
                                                  PERMITTED.  OTHER CODESHARE SERVICES NOT
                                                  PERMITTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF QF CODESHARE
                                                  SERVICES OPERATED BY JETSTAR / JQ /
                                                  -
                                                  TRAVEL PERMITTED ON THE FOLLOWING AIRLINES WHICH
                                                  ARE AFFILIATED WITH/OR WETLEASE PROVIDERS TO
                                                  ONEWORLD.
                                                  -
                                                  AMERICAN AIRLINES - AMERICAN EAGLE // OPERATED BY
                                                  ENVOY ARLINES / REPUBLIC AIRLINES / SKYWEST
                                                  AIRLINES / EXPRESSJET AIRLINES / MESA AIRLINES /
                                                  COMPASS AIRLINES//
                                                  -
                                                  JAPAN AIRLINES - J-AIR
                                                  -
                                                  LAN - LAN EXPRESS / LAN PERU / LAN COLOMBIA
                                                  -
                                                  QANTAS - ALLIANCE AIRLINES/QANTASLINK OPERATED
                                                  BY NATIONAL JET SYSTEMS/EASTERN AUSTRALIA
                                                  SUNSTATE AIRLINES/JETCONNECT.
                                                  -
                                                  US AIRWAYS - US AIRWAYS EXPRESS INCLUDING FLIGHTS
                                                  OPERATED BY AIR WISCONSIN / PIEDMONT AIRLINES /
                                                  PSA / REPUBLIC / SKYWEST /TRANS STATES / MESA
                                                  AIRLINES.
                                                  ---
                                                  F. TRAVEL MAY ORIGINATE AT ANY POINT FOR WHICH
                                                  FARES ARE PUBLISHED AND MUST TERMINATE AT THE SAME
                                                  POINT EXCEPT THAT ORIGIN - DESTINATION SURFACE
                                                  SEGMENTS ARE PERMITTED AS FOLLOW -
                                                     A. WITHIN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
                                                     B. BETWEEN USA AND CANADA
                                                  ---
                                                   G. TRAVEL MAY NOT BE VIA THE POINT OF ORIGIN
                                                  ---
                                                  H. TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED VIA ANY COUNTRY IN THE
                                                  SOUTH ASIAN SUB CONTINENT.
                                                  ---
                                                  I. SURFACE TRAVEL AND USE OF OTHER CARRIERS
                                                  BETWEEN INTERMEDIATE POINTS ALONG THE CIRCLE WHICH
                                                  ARE NOT OPERATED BY AA/BA/CX/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/
                                                  QR/RJ/US/XL/4M IS PERMITTED AT THE PASSENGERS
                                                  EXPENSE AND MUST BE TICKETED SEPARATELY. MILEAGE
                                                  MUST BE INCLUDED IN THE MPM CALCULATION.
                                        
ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING             RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR DEPARTURE OF FIRST
                                           INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.
                                           WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 29 DAYS BEFORE
                                           DEPARTURE, TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED AT LEAST 25
                                           DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE.
                                           OPEN RETURNS PERMITTED.
                                           OR - RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR DEPARTURE OF FIRST
                                                INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.
                                                WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 8 DAYS BEFORE
                                                DEPARTURE, TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 3
                                                DAYS AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 7
                                                DAYS BEFORE DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
                                                OPEN RETURNS PERMITTED.
                                           OR - RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR DEPARTURE OF FIRST
                                                INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.
                                                TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 24 HOURS AFTER
                                                RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 1 HOUR BEFORE
                                                DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
                                                OPEN RETURNS PERMITTED.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  OSI YY OW CIR TO BE INSERTED INTO PNR TO AVOID
                                                  RESERVATION CANCELLATION.
                                                  ----------
                                                  BOOKING CLASS CODES
                                                                              FIRST BUSINESS ECONOMY
                                                  AA/BA/CX/QF/QR/JL/KA/MH/US    A    D       L
                                                  JJ                            J    J       H
                                                  LA                            D    D/W     L
                                                  RJ/UL/XL/4M/LA IPC-SCL        D    D       L
                                                  LA/XL/4M DOMESTIC             Y    Y       L
                                                  AA FLTS 2500-5369             A/Y  D/Y     L
                                                  JL DOMESTIC TO/FROM NRT       J    J       H
                                                   //TO 16NOV14//
                                                  JL/NU DOMESTIC OTHER THAN
                                                  TO/FROM NRT //TO 16NOV14//    F    J       Y
                                                  JL/NU DOMESTIC FLIGHTS        F    J       Y
                                                   //FROM 17NOV14
                                                  QF/CX PREMIUM ECONOMY                      R
                                                  BA WORLD TRAVELLER PLUS                    T
                                                  JL PREMIUM ECONOMY                         E
                                                  ---
                                                  NOTE - FOR FLIGHTS WHERE FIRST OR BUSINESS CLASS
                                                  IS NOT OFFERED OR AVAILABLE PASSENGERS MAY TRAVEL
                                                  IN A LOWER CLASS IN THE APPLICABLE BOOKING CODE
                                                  FOR THAT LOWER CLASS.
                                                  WHERE THE APPLICABLE BOOKING CLASS FOR THE LOWER
                                                  CLASS IS NOT AVAILABLE -
                                                  PASSENGERS TRAVELLING ON FIRST CLASS FARES MAY
                                                  BOOK Y CLASS
                                                  PASSENGERS TRAVELLING ON BUSINESS CLASS FARES MAY
                                                  BOOK B CLASS.
                                                  THE FARE FOR THE HIGHEST CLASS USED APPLIES
                                                  WIHOUT COMPENSATION.
                                                  EXCEPTION - FOR AA SERVICES WITHIN THE USA WHERE
                                                  NO BUSINESS CLASS IS OFFERED BUSINESS CLASS
                                                  PASSENGER MAY BOOK AND TRAVEL IN FIRST CLASS
                                                  BOOKING CODE - A - SUBJECT TO AVAILABILITY. THIS
                                                  PROVISION DOES NOT APPLY ON ANY FLIGHT WHERE
                                                  BUSINESS CLASS EXISTS BUT IS UNAVAILABLE FOR
                                                  BOOKING
                                                  ---
                                                  FOR US SERVICES WITHIN TC1 WHERE NO BUSINESS
                                                  CLASS IS OFFERED BUSINESS CLASS PASSENGERS MAY
                                                  BOOK AND TRAVEL IN FIRST CLASS BOOKING CODE - A -
                                                  SUBJECT TO AVAILABILITY. THIS PROVISION DOES NOT
                                                  APPLY ON ANY FLIGHT WHERE BUSINESS CLASS EXISTS
                                                  BUT IS UNAVAILABLE FOR BOOKING.
                                        
MINIMUM STAY                                     NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  RETURN TRAVEL FROM LAST INTERNATIONAL STOPOVER
                                                  POINT MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN 10 DAYS AFTER
                                                  DEPARTURE OF THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.
                                                    EXCEPTION  - FOR FIRST AND BUSINESS CLASS
                                                                 TRAVEL - 5 DAYS.
                                        
MAXIMUM STAY                               TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN
                                           12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
                                        
STOPOVERS                                  2 STOPOVERS REQUIRED AND A MAXIMUM OF 4 PERMITTED ON
                                           THE PRICING UNIT.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  A MAXIMUM OF 4 FREE PERMITTED ON THE PRICING
                                                  UNIT.
                                                  ---
                                                  ONLY ONE STOPOVER PERMITTED AT ANY ONE POINT.
                                                  ---
                                                  TWO STOPOVERS REQUIRED OUTSIDE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.
                                                  ---
                                                  A MAXIMUM OF ONE STOPOVER IN COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.
                                                  ---
                                                  A MAXIMUM OF TWO FREE STOPOVERS PER REGION - SWP/
                                                  ASIA/NORTH AMERICA/SOUTH AMERICA.
                                                  ---
                                                  WHERE A PASSENGER DISEMBARKS AT ONE POINT AND
                                                  RE-EMBARKS AT A SUBSEQUENT POINT ENROUTE THE
                                                  POINTS COUNT AS A SINGLE STOPOVER.
                                                  WHERE THERE IS A SURFACE SECTOR BETWEEN TWO
                                                  REGIONS THIS WILL COUNT AS A STOPOVER IN EACH
                                                  OF THE TWO REGIONS HOWEVER FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE
                                                  TOTAL STOPOVERS PERMITTED THIS WILL COUNT AS ONE
                                                  STOPOVER ONLY.
                                                  ---
                                                  ADDITIONAL STOPS PERMITTED AT AN ADDITIONAL CHARGE
                                                  PER STOPOVER OF USD150.00.
                                                  - ADDITIONAL STOPOVERS NOT PERMITTRED IN
                                                    COUNTRY OF ORIGIN.
                                                  - ONLY ONE ADDITIONAL STOPOVER PERMITTED AT ANY
                                                    ONE POINT.
                                                  - ADDITIONAL STOPOVERS RESTRICTED TO TWO STOPOVERS
                                                    PER REGION.
                                                  - CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNT NOT APPLICABLE.
                                        
TRANSFERS                                  UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT.
                                           FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON
                                           THE FARE COMPONENT.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  A. UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED BETWEEN
                                                     AA/BA/CX/JJ/JL/KA/LA/MH/NU/QF/QR/RJ/
                                                     UL/US/XL/4M.
                                                  B. NOT MORE THAN 3 TRANSFERS AT ANY ONE CITY
                                                     PERMITTED.
                                        
COMBINATIONS                                SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT
                                            PERMITTED.
                                            END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH
                                            NO RESTRICTIONS.
                                        
BLACKOUT DATES                             NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.
                                        
SURCHARGES                                 FROM HKG TO HKG, SECTOR SURCHARGE OF HKD 45 APPLIES.
                                           FROM HKG TO HKG, SECTOR SURCHARGE OF HKD 45 APPLIES.
                                        
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL                         ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
                                        
TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS                        NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
                                        
SALES RESTRICTIONS                         EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF AA/AY/BA
                                                  CX/IB/JJ/JL/KA/LA/LP/MH/QF/QR/RJ/UL/US/XL/4M.
                                                   EXCEPTION - WHEN JQ OPERATED QF MARKETED IS
                                                     INCLUDED IN AN ITINERARY IB STOCK
                                                     CANNOT BE UTILISED.
                                                  ----
                                                  WHEN TRAVEL ORIGINATES IN A COUNTRY FOR WHICH A
                                                  SPECIFIC LOCAL CURRENCY FARE IS PUBLISHED AND THE
                                                  TICKET IS SOLD IN ANOTHER COUNTRY THE FARE WILL BE
                                                  THAT PUBLISHED FOR THE COUNTRY OF ORIGIN
                                                  CONVERTED TO THE CURRENCY OF THE COUNTRY OF SALE
                                                  AT THE BANK SELLING RATE.  THE RESULTANT FARE MUST
                                                  NOT BE LOWER THAN THAT FROM THE COUNTRY OF SALE.
                                                  ----
                                                  RULES NOT APPLICABLE
                                                  EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY NOT PERMITTED.
                                        
PENALTIES                                  CHANGES
                                           
                                             CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  FEES AS DESCRIBED BELOW MAY BE WAIVED IN
                                                  CASE OF CERTIFIED DEATH/ILLNESS OF THE PASSENGER
                                                  OR PASSENGERS IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBER OR
                                                  ACCOMPANYING PASSENGER.
                                                  ----
                                                  LOCAL SERVICE FEES MAY APPLY ON REBOOKING/
                                                  REROUTING/ REISSUE OR REFUND.
                                                  --------------------------------------------------
                                                  CHANGES BEFORE DEPARTURE
                                                  CHANGES ARE PERMITTED PROVIDED TICKETED POINTS
                                                  REMAIN THE SAME. IF THE FIRST FLIGHT IS BEING
                                                  CHANGED AND THE FARE LEVEL HAS INCREASED SINCE
                                                  TICKET ISSUANCE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OLD
                                                  AND NEW FARE WILL BE CHARGED. IF THE FARE LEVEL
                                                  HAS DECREASED SINCE TICKET ISSUANCE NO REFUND
                                                  WILL APPLY.
                                                  -
                                                  CHANGES TO TICKETED POINTS ARE PERMITTED AT A
                                                  CHARGE OF USD 125.00 PER TRANSACTION. IF THE FARE
                                                  LEVEL HAS INCREASED SINCE TICKET ISSUANCE THE
                                                  DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE OLD AND THE NEW FARE WILL
                                                  ALSO BE CHARGED.  IF THE FARE LEVEL HAS DECREASED
                                                  SINCE TICKET ISSUANCE NO REFUND WILL APPLY.
                                                  ---
                                                  CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE
                                                  CHANGES ARE PERMITTED PROVIDED TICKETED POINTS
                                                  REMAIN THE SAME.
                                                  -
                                                  CHANGES TO TICKETED POINTS ARE PERMITTED AT A
                                                  CHARGE OF USD125.00 PER TRANSACTION.
                                                  -
                                                  NO SHOW REQUIRES REBOOKING AT CHARGE OF USD 125.00
                                                  -
                                                  IF THE REROUTING RESULTS IN A CHANGE TO THE
                                                  TOTAL TICKETED MILES THE TICKET SHALL BE
                                                  RECALCULATED.  TICKET MAY BE REISSUED TO ANY
                                                  APPLICABLE EXPLORER FARE VALIDATING ALL RULES OF
                                                  THE NEW FARE EXCEPT FOR RESTRICTIONS ON
                                                  RETROACTIVE USE.  REROUTING FEE APPLIES WHEN
                                                  THE RESULTING FARE IS LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO THE
                                                  ORIGINAL FARE.  NO REFUND APPLIES.  SEE UPGRADING
                                                  PROVISIONS WHEN RECALCULATION RESULTS IN A NEW
                                                  FARE BASIS AT A HIGHER VALUE.
                                           
                                           CANCELLATIONS
                                           
                                             CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED FOR CANCEL/NO-SHOW/REFUND.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  AFTER TICKET ISSUANCE - CANCELLATION/NO SHOW
                                                  FORFEIT 10PCT OF THE TICKETED FARE FOR ECONOMY
                                                  CLASS FARES.
                                                  FORFEIT 5PCT OF THE TICKETED FARE FOR BUSINESS/
                                                  FIRST CLASS FARES.
                                                  ---
                                                  IN CASE OF REFUSAL OF OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS/ENTRY
                                                  PERMIT/VISA A FULL REFUND WILL APPLY PROVIDED
                                                  OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION FROM THE APPROVED AUTHORITY
                                                  IS PRODUCED AND ATTACHED TO THE REFUND REQUEST.
                                                  ---
                                                  FOR PARTIALLY USED TRANSPORTATION THE REFUND IF
                                                  ANY WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE FARE PAID
                                                  AND THE FARE FOR THE TRANSPORTATION USED LESS THE
                                                  FEE AMOUNT SPECIFIED ABOVE.
                                                  ---
                                                  NO SHOW REQUIRES REBOOKING AT A CHARGE OF
                                                  USD125.00
                                                  ---
                                                  FOR TICKETS SOLD IN VENEZUELA ANY FULL OR PARTIAL
                                                  REFUND MUST BE PROCESSED THROUGH THE ORIGINAL
                                                  ISSUING LOCATION IN VENEZUELA.
                                                  ---
                                                  UPGRADING  -
                                                  AN ECONOMY CIRCLE PACIIFC FARE MAY BE UPGRADED TO
                                                  A HIGHER TIERED CIRCLE PACIFIC FARE OR A FIRST/
                                                  BUSINESS CLASS CIRCLE PACIFIC FARE WITHOUT FEE.
                                                  -
                                                  A BUSINESS CIRCLE PACIFIC FARE MAY BE UPGRADED TO
                                                  A HIGHER TIERED CIRCLE PACIFIC FARE OR A FIRST
                                                  CLASS CIRCLE PACIFIC FARE WITHOUT FEE.
                                                  -
                                                  A FIRST CIRCLE PACIFIC FARE MAY BE UPGRADED TO A
                                                  HIGHER TIERED CIRCLE PACIFIC FARE WITHOUT FEE.
                                                  ---
                                                  UPGRADING BY SECTOR TO BUSINESS CLASS/FIRST CLASS
                                                  IS NOT PERMITTED.
                                                  ---
                                                  AT ANY TIME THE CIRCLE PACIFIC FARE MAY
                                                  BE USED AS CREDIT TOWARDS PAYMENT OF ANY HIGHER
                                                  FARE FROM THE POINT OF ORIGIN PROVIDED THE
                                                  CONDITIONS OF THE HIGHER FARE HAVE BEEN MET.
                                                  NO FEE WILL APPLY. WHERE SUCH CREDIT IS TOWARDS
                                                  ANOTHER EXPLORER FARE RETROACTIVE USE WILL
                                                  BE PERMITTED.
                                                  REISSUED TICKETS MUST BE ENDORSED NONREF/- XXX
                                                  - XXX EQUALS CIRCLE PACIFIC FARE BASIS CODE -
                                                  AND THE ORIGINAL NON REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS
                                                  NONREFUNDABLE. IF THE UPGRADED TICKET IS
                                                  SUBSEQUENTLY CANCELLED THE ORIGINAL FEE WILL
                                                  APPLY.
                                        
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS                     NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.
                                        
TICKET ENDORSEMENTS                        THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED
                                           - VALID ON ONEWORLD ONLY - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  TICKETS MUST SHOW BY USE OF AN INSERT STICKER
                                                  THAT TRAVEL IS AT A SPECIAL FARE AND SUBJECT TO
                                                  SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
                                           AND - THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE
                                                 ANNOTATED - NONREF - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  TICKETS MUST SHOW BY USE OF AN INSERT STICKER
                                                  THAT TRAVEL IS AT A SPECIAL FARE AND SUBJECT TO
                                                  SPECIAL CONDITIONS.
                                        
CHILDREN DISCOUNTS                         FARE RULE
                                           CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF
                                             THE FARE.
                                                 TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
                                             MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
                                               COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN ARE NOT ACCEPTED FOR
                                                  TRANSPORTATION USING THE CIRCLE PACIFIC
                                                  EXPLORER FARE.
                                           OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10
                                                  PERCENT OF THE FARE.
                                                      TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
                                                  MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
                                                    COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  IF AN INFANT REACHES TWO YEARS OF AGE AFTER
                                                  TRAVEL HAS COMMENCED BUT BEFORE TRAVEL IS
                                                  COMPLETE - A FULL CHILD FARE TICKET MUST BE
                                                  PURCHASED FOR THE ENTIRE JOURNEY.
                                                  ---
                                                  UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN ARE NOT ACCEPTED FOR
                                                  TRANSPORTATION USING THE CIRCLE PACIFIC
                                                  EXPLORER FARE.
                                         
                                           GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
                                           CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 2-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT
                                             OF THE FARE.
                                                 TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
                                             MUST BE ACCOMPANIED IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT
                                               PSGR 16 OR OLDER.
                                           OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 100
                                                  PERCENT OF THE FARE.
                                                      TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
                                                  MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
                                                    COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 16 OR OLDER.
                                           OR - 1ST INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 -
                                                  CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
                                                      TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
                                                  MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
                                                    COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 16 OR OLDER.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  WHEN TRAVEL INCLUDES BOTH DOMESTIC AND
                                                  INTERNATIONAL SERVICE AND DIFFERENT
                                                  INFANT FARES APPLY - THE FARE NEED NOT
                                                  BE MORE THAN THE SUM OF THE APPLICABLE
                                                  FARES FOR THE DOMESTIC AND INTERNATIONAL
                                                  PORTIONS.
                                           OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-14 - CHARGE 100
                                                  PERCENT OF THE FARE.
                                                 NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
                                                  UNACCOMPANIED CHILDREN 5 6 AND 7 YEARS OF AGE WILL
                                                  ONLY BE TRANSPORTED OVER THE LINES OF AA NON-STOP
                                                  OR THROUGH PLANE SERVICE.
                                        
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS                   NO DISCOUNTS FOR TOUR CONDUCTORS.
                                        
AGENT DISCOUNTS                            NO DISCOUNTS FOR SALE AGENTS.
                                        
ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS                        FARE RULE
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                                             PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
                                             1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLIGHT COUPON
                                             2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
                                             MUST BE DOMESTIC
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                                             4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
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                                             DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
                                             OR -
                                             REPRICE
                                             A. BEFORE JOURNEY DEPARTURE USE FARES IN EFFECT
                                             TODAY
                                             B. AFTER JOURNEY DEPARTURE USE HISTORICAL FARES
                                             BASED ON TRAVEL COMMENCEMENT
                                             PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
                                             1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
                                             MUST BE DOMESTIC
                                             2. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED
                                             3. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
                                             DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
                                           WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL
                                           FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND
                                           ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
                                           ENDORSEMENTS.
                                           OR -
                                           AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
                                           IN THE CASE OF DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER -
                                           CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
                                           BY THOSE OF AA INTERNATIONAL FARES CHARGE HIGHEST FEE
                                           OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
                                             REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
                                             PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
                                             1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FLIGHT COUPON
                                             2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
                                             MUST BE DOMESTIC
                                             3. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED
                                             4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
                                             5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
                                             DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
                                           WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL
                                           FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND
                                           ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
                                           ENDORSEMENTS.
                                           OR -
                                           BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
                                           CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
                                           BY THOSE OF AA INTERNATIONAL FARES CHARGE HIGHEST FEE
                                           OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS
                                             REPRICE USING CURRENT FARES - ONLY BOOKING CODE
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                                             PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
                                             1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
                                             MUST BE DOMESTIC
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                                             DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
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                                           WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE SUBTRACT RESIDUAL
                                           FROM THE PENALTY THEN ADD-COLLECT/REFUND
                                           ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
                                           ENDORSEMENTS.
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Old Jan 5, 2015 | 6:55 am
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I tried to find whether this has been covered before, but I don't think it has.

It concerns a number of AA/US flights that are direct from outside US to somewhere in the US via an international entry point.

I've tried to see if it will validate with the flights onboard with the RTW tool, but unfortunately the RTW tool finds these segments, but won't find others in my itinerary, so I can't build the itinerary online.

I'll give an example: AA69. It's MAD-MIA-SFO, but there's an aircraft change and there is a change of configuration as well

AA 69 0 MAD-MIA
J7 R7 D7 I7 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 V7 G7 S7 N7 Q7 O7 (so Business/Economy configuration on a 777-200)

AA 69 MIA-SFO
F3 A2 P2 Y7 B7 H7 K7 M7 L7 W7 V7 G7 S7 N7 Q0 O0 (so First/Economy configuration on a 737-800)

When you book it using the online tool, it allows MAD-SFO on AA69 with Booking Class D for the the entire journey although there is no Business on the MIA-SFO run.

If I try booking the same in reverse (AA 68 SFO-MIA-MAD), the online tool books it, but insists that the flight be booked into L because "there is no Business Class available".

Since I'm having problems with this itinerary, I want to just call AA. But will AA regard AA69 as one international sector with one flight number on the same day or will they insist that it's two sectors and therefore has to be booked with an intercontinental segment and then a domestic segment too?

Or is this something that falls between the rules?
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Originally Posted by beardoc
I'll give an example: AA69. It's MAD-MIA-SFO, but there's an aircraft change and there is a change of configuration as well

....

Since I'm having problems with this itinerary, I want to just call AA. But will AA regard AA69 as one international sector with one flight number on the same day or will they insist that it's two sectors and therefore has to be booked with an intercontinental segment and then a domestic segment too?
It's a "direct flight" between MAD and SFO. It counts as one segment in D class. If you want you can split it.

The fact that there is a stop (and an equipment change) should not be of any importance, unless it violates the transcontinental rule (I don't think that applies but need to check the specific wording).

I don't know why the tool has a problem with the return.
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Originally Posted by Calchas
It's a "direct flight" between MAD and SFO. It counts as one segment in D class. If you want you can split it.

The fact that there is a stop (and an equipment change) should not be of any importance, unless it violates the transcontinental rule (I don't think that applies but need to check the specific wording).

I don't know why the tool has a problem with the return.
In the past I've had problems with these routes - especially QF108 JFK-LAX-SYD - the online tool books it as an intercontinental leg, but when I looked to get a travel agent to do the same, they could not get around it being split into QF108 JFK-LAX and QF108 LAX-SYD, which thereby triggers the US transcon rule as I already had a transcon in my itinerary. In the end I just booked it via the booking tool to get around the agent.

I'm just hoping I don't run into the same thing, especially since I can't get the oneworld booking tool to pick up my other US domestic flights. It just won't show them.
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Originally Posted by beardoc
In the past I've had problems with these routes - especially QF108 JFK-LAX-SYD - the online tool books it as an intercontinental leg, but when I looked to get a travel agent to do the same, they could not get around it being split into QF108 JFK-LAX and QF108 LAX-SYD, which thereby triggers the US transcon rule as I already had a transcon in my itinerary. In the end I just booked it via the booking tool to get around the agent.

I'm just hoping I don't run into the same thing, especially since I can't get the oneworld booking tool to pick up my other US domestic flights. It just won't show them.
What does that mean, the agent could not get around itthese itineraries are manually priced aren't they?
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Old Jan 7, 2015 | 12:12 am
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Hi There,

Is changing a surface segment to a flight considered a change to the ticketed points?

Thanks
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Old Jan 13, 2015 | 9:46 am
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Hey guys,

Apologies if this is covered elsewhere - I tried using the search function to no avail. Does anyone have a route on a one world round the world ticket that takes in French Polynesia (Papeete)?

Thanks!
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Old Jan 13, 2015 | 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by Byrneand
Hey guys,

Apologies if this is covered elsewhere - I tried using the search function to no avail. Does anyone have a route on a one world round the world ticket that takes in French Polynesia (Papeete)?

Thanks!
A quick Google search suggests that PPT is served by oneworld carrier LA from SCL, so it should not be difficult to construct a route including it.

You can use http://rtw.oneworld.com to have a go at building your itinerary. The tool does not always price correctly and doesn't show every allowed combination.
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Old Jan 13, 2015 | 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by Calchas
A quick Google search suggests that PPT is served by oneworld carrier LA from SCL, so it should not be difficult to construct a route including it.
Thanks - yep - I'd seen the exit route out via Easter Island/Chile but had been struggling with a one world in from Australia/New Zealand/Asia direction.

Anyone done this?
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Originally Posted by Byrneand
Thanks - yep - I'd seen the exit route out via Easter Island/Chile but had been struggling with a one world in from Australia/New Zealand/Asia direction.

Anyone done this?
The only way on a oneworld ticket is to go to ...-SCL-PPT-SCL-.... If that breaks a rule, you will have to leave Australia-PPT as a surface sector and book your own travel there.
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Old Jan 13, 2015 | 10:50 am
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Originally Posted by Byrneand
Hey guys,

Apologies if this is covered elsewhere - I tried using the search function to no avail. Does anyone have a route on a one world round the world ticket that takes in French Polynesia (Papeete)?

Thanks!
The South Pacific islands are one of several major "gaps" in Oneworld coverage.

You can use the Global Explorer to visit Tahiti (or Fiji for that matter) as the GlobEx allows use of Qantas codeshares on Air Tahiti metal. The Oneworld Explorer doesn't. You can use the OWE to get from Tahiti to South America on Lan's service, but you can't do a return SCL-PPT-SCL trip with the OWE because it would involve backtracking between South America and the Southwest Pacific.

So using the OWE you'd have to fly from AKL or SYD on your own nickel, then pick up the OWE in PPT for onward travel to South America.

(With the Global Explorer you could continue from PPT to North America and wouldn't need to route via South America.)
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