I am planning a trip to Asia and Sydney and Brisbane for Feb/March 2005.

I will be traveling in J

My expected routing woulde be LAX/HKG/SIN (WITH POSSIBLE HKG/TPE/HKG IN THERE ALSO- ALL ON CX

THEN SIN/BKK ON CX

THEN BKK/SYD ON QF( STOP OFF IN SYD- CAN i DO THIS FOR 2 DAYS OR DO I ONLY HAVE 24 HOURS??
THEN SYD/BNE ON QF
THEN BNE/SYD/LAX)NO STOP OFF IN SYD-ONLY ROUTING THIS WAY TO GET NEW SLEEPER SEATS IN J AS BNE/LAX NON STOP NOT FITTED AT THIS TIME.

Questions:

Who do I call to get this ticketed? Can I call AA? or do I have to call CX?

Is adding in HKG/TPE/HKG possible?

Can I go through SYD twice (stopping off only once) or does this break some rules?

Is this trip based on mileage alone. Anyone know approx cost? I suspect that it is a lot less than the $8k approx for regular booking.

Any assistance would be appreciated

Tks

I have reserved, but not yet purchased, a simpler but otherwise similar routing for a circle pacific fare. My routing is as follows:

LAX-HKG on CX
HKG-SYD (just a layover, no stopover) on QF
SYD-CNS (continuation of above flight) on QF
CNS-SYD on QF, stopping there this time
SYD-LAX on QF

This is a J-class (or D, I guess) circle pacific. I booked it through AA--when I called the main phone number, they transferred me to the RTW desk. But once there, the agent made the reservation with no problem. I currently have it reserved, with a record locator assigned. The fare is $4900 (US), plus any additional fees. I'm not sure what the total will be after adding on the fees, but I should be purchasing it in a week or so, so I'll know then. I'm not sure if it's possible to get a better fare booking through Cathay or Qantas (though I'd love to know it if there is!), but that was my experience with it.

Good luck!

ETA: Yes, the trip is based on mileage--I managed to squeeze mine in just under 22,000 miles, which is the lowest value. There are also tickets available for 26,000 or 29,000 miles. I believe the agent will be able to tell you how many miles. There are also sites such as The Great Circle Mapper, which will tell you the approximate miles for a routing.

If you can adjust the routing/order slightly you can get it under 22,000 miles (excluding TPE). Or you can include TPE if you take the BNE-LAX flight instead of SYD-LAX (I understand exactly why you want to go SYD-LAX).

For example, lax-hkg-bkk-sin-syd-bne-syd-lax is about 21,530 miles. And lax-hkg-tpe-hkg-bkk-sin-syd-bne-lax is 21,740 miles.

The price goes up quite a but if you need to purchase the 26,000 miles option. I would price out the HKG-TPE-HKG fare as a separate ticket. Then you can decide if that cost is worth sticking with a SYD-LAX routing.

So are you saying that these fares are based purely on moles flown within ranges.
So one price for -22,000 miles and another set price for -26,000 miles.???

So does QF or CX fly into BNE non stop from either BKK or SIN?? And in terms of QF , if they do, do they have the new J seats like they do SIN/BKK to SYD?

Thank you.

The fare is based on miles, being 22,000, 26,000 or 29,000 miles, class (economy, business or first) and country of ticket purchase which must also be the departure of first flight.

QF flies SIN-BNE non-stop using 2-class 747-300. Both QF and CX fly HKG-BNE. I think only TG fly direct BKK-BNE so that can't done on a OneWorld Circle Pacific.

If flying in J in the near future, I would take QF BKK-SYD to get the the skybed seats.

I have a similar question to one that opened this thread.
If I use CX to connect to NRT (rather than AA) and stopover there for a day, then begin the "circle pacific" routing, will the mileage calculation be as though I took the direct flight to NRT from the states?
I am allowed two passages through HKG as part of the fare, correct?
The cost of an additional stopover is $100 USD?
thanks

The mileage calculation is per "direct" flight. A direct flight is one with a single flight number and may include one or more stops. but if you do not continue on the same flight (same flight number, same day), it is not a direct flight.

So if you take CX from USA (LAX, SFO, YVR, JFK etc) to HGK and then connect to a different CX flight number to NRT, that is two sectors and the mileage is the sum of USA-HKG + HKG-NRT.

The CX flight that goes JFK-YVR-HKG is a single flight number, so in that case if you board in JFK and onlt transit in YVR and end in HKG, that is a "direct" flight JFK-HKG and mileage is calculated as JFK-HKG only.

I don't know of any CX flights that continue through HKG (ie start outside HKG, fly to HKG and continue to another destination beyond HKG). As far as I can tell, all CX flights either originate from or terminate at HKG. There are some, such as the YVR/JFK flight described above, that continue through other destinations.

As for stopovers, here are the restrictions:

• Max four stopovers for 22,000 miles fare
• Max five stopovers for 26,000 miles fare
• Max six stopovers for 29,000 mile fare
• Max one stopover at any one point
• Max one stopover in country of origin
• Max two free stopovers in any region
• Surface sectors are considered one stopover
• Additional stopovers can be purchased at US$75, max two per region, none in country of origin
• A stopover is a connection between two flight sectors that spans 24 hours or more.

NM

Right now I will be in BKK before SIN as I am flying HKG/BKK/SIN on CX

Dave Noble in QF forum informs me that the choice is QF 32 SIN/SYd and not QF SIN/Syd to get Skybeds since QF 32 is part of flight to LHR with guaranteed Skybeds.

I have another question: can one use a QF code share on another airline(actual QF flight #) on a circle Pacific fare?. Probably not eh??
I am looking at returning BNE/AKL/PPE/LAX.
It show on QF route map that QF flies AKL/PPE/LAX on a code Share- Who is the carrier?
I have a client in PPE and it might make sense to visit him, but I don't think it is possible! Is it?

Tks for all your help

Eireman

That is correct, QF31/32 is currently Skybeds, while QF5/6 is not an dwon't be until sometime next year - its a 2-class service.
No, you cannot use codeshares operated by non-OneWorld airlines. You can use codeshares where both the flight number and operating airline are OneWorld partners.

The only OneWorld fare I know of that permits some QF codeshares in the Pacific is the Global Explorer, and the actual flights are limited. Somthing like QF codeshares on NF/PX/SA/TN/VN/SB with QF flight numbers between 1-299.

Fortunately with the Global Explorer the codeshare options are indeed more generous as you've listed above (see below):
The limitation to QF 1-299 is only in the One World Explorer and Circle Pacific Fares though, fortunately it's not a limitation of the Global Explorer fare.

I am not familar with global explorer fares

Do they work and price like OWE fares?

Does this mean that each and every segment that I take be a code share flight or does it mean that with a Global Explorer fare that I could in fact do
LAX/BKK VIA hkG ON aa OR cx (nO STOP OVER)
BKK/SIN ON CX (STOP OVER)
SIN/SYD ON QF (STOP OVER)
SYD/BNE ON QF(STOP OVER)
BNE/PPE VIA akl?? ( NO STOP OVER) CODE SHARE
PPE/LAX NON STOP ON CODE SHARE

Thank you so much

The Global Explorer fares are a miles based fare, unlike the One World Explorer which is a continent based fare. With Business Class there's only the 34,000 mile option available as a possible fare for the GE (in economy there are 26 and 29,000 options as well). The costs are higher than for a 22,000 mile Circle Pacific fare though (in Australia the price for the GE in J is AU$9,169 for instance). The other down side is you have to go around the world on it as well, so you'd have to go via Europe in one direction.

In general they're not as good a value for money or as popular as the One World Explorer fares due to the miles limitation, but if you need to reach destinations only covered by the additional airlines available in the Global Explorer (especially useful in the Middle East and South Pacific) then it's worth looking at.

So for instance it would be possible for you to do LAX-LHR-BKK-SIN-SYD-BNE-AKL-PPT-LAX and you'd still have about 9,000 miles left over to play with for any other destinations you might desire.

I just visited the one world site and it seems like the One World Explorer tik is what I may need. I would need a 3 continent one based on PPT being in Australia region. Can any one confirm that?

My original -22,000 circle pacific fare was US$4900.00 in J. Does any one know what the 3 continent OWE costs in J? I am not interested in Global Explorer since you are saying that I would have to go via Europe.

There is a Qf code share from AKL to PPT and according to the web site it seems to be saying that as long as it has QF flight # and it is on an affiliate of QF that it should work.Does not say it has to be a OW affiliate

To be honest I find the distinction between OWE and Global explorer some what confusing.

You guys sure know a lot and it is much appreciated

Closer reading of the OW web site ( and it says nothing about Global Explorer fares) and I see that I misunderstood Affiliate and partner- they are not necessarily the same thing.

While QF may have aflight # (#3343)between AKL and PPT and while QF and Air tahiti Nui may be partners ( Are they I do not know) , the rules seems to suggest it has to be an affiliate if not on actual OW metal

Sot It looks like I will have to pass up PPT on this trip- darn!!!

According to line 34 of the Global Explorer STAR file posted here, the limitationof QF1-299 does apply.