BA/QF RTW fare
Jun 23, 2020 | 6:23 am
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BA/QF RTW fare
Please can a RTW fare expert help me? I've called Trailfinders, they have offered me 3 different options for my proposed itinerary : Departing 8 Dec 20
LON BA SCL QF AKL QF BNE YY SIN YY LON.
1) A OW RTW fare of circa Ł2600 making use of any OW carrier and routing within reason.
2) A Global Explorer fare of circa Ł2300 presumably BA/QF/CX.
3) A QF Special Fare of Ł1900 using BA to SCL and restricted to QF for the rest of the journey.
Is my above understanding correct? Does anybody know the seasonality of the fares? When does Shoulder season end and High season begin? Can the Special Fare be booked directly with Qantas? Any assistance or other creative ideas gratefully received!
Thanks.
LON BA SCL QF AKL QF BNE YY SIN YY LON.
1) A OW RTW fare of circa Ł2600 making use of any OW carrier and routing within reason.
2) A Global Explorer fare of circa Ł2300 presumably BA/QF/CX.
3) A QF Special Fare of Ł1900 using BA to SCL and restricted to QF for the rest of the journey.
Is my above understanding correct? Does anybody know the seasonality of the fares? When does Shoulder season end and High season begin? Can the Special Fare be booked directly with Qantas? Any assistance or other creative ideas gratefully received!
Thanks.
Jun 23, 2020 | 7:15 am
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3) A QF Special Fare of Ł1900 using BA to SCL and restricted to QF for the rest of the journey.
Is my above understanding correct? Does anybody know the seasonality of the fares? When does Shoulder season end and High season begin? Can the Special Fare be booked directly with Qantas? Any assistance or other creative ideas gratefully received!
Thanks.
Is my above understanding correct? Does anybody know the seasonality of the fares? When does Shoulder season end and High season begin? Can the Special Fare be booked directly with Qantas? Any assistance or other creative ideas gratefully received!
Thanks.
Code:
1 BA 251S 05DEC 6 LHRSCL SS1 2200 0935 06DEC 7 /DCBA /E
2 QF 28S 10DEC 4 SCLSYD*SS1 1335 1750 11DEC 5 /DCQF /E
3 QF 149S 11DEC 5 SYDAKL*SS1 1850 2359 /DCQF /E
4 QF 126S 16DEC 3 AKLBNE SS1 1630 1710 /DCQF /E
5 QF 51S 11JAN 1 BNESIN SS1 1150 1750 /DCQF /E
6 QF 1S 15JAN 5 SINLHR SS1 2355 0615 16JAN 6 /DCQF /E
WPMGBPĄAQFĄ
PSGR TYPE ADT - 01
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
LON
SCL BA S 05DEC SLRWUK 05DEC 05DEC 01P
XSYD QF S 10DEC SLRWUK 10DEC 10DEC 02P
AKL QF S 11DEC SLRWUK 11DEC 11DEC 02P
BNE QF S 16DEC SLRWUK 16DEC 16DEC 02P
SIN QF S 11JAN SLRWUK 11JAN 11JAN 02P
LON QF S 15JAN SLRWUK 15JAN 15JAN 02P
FARE GBP 1020.00
TAX GBP 80.00GB GBP 48.66UB GBP 614.40XT Ą
MD
TOTAL GBP 1763.06 Ą
ADT-01 SLRWUK
LON BA SCL QF X/SYD QF AKL Q LONAKL24.84 807.36QF BNE QF SIN
QF LON434.73NUC1266.93END ROE0.805091
XT GBP20.30ZQ GBP33.20AU GBP3.60WG GBP30.20WY GBP10.40F1
XT GBP8.50IA GBP18.20KK GBP20.50SG GBP3.50OP GBP50.50YR
XT GBP415.50YQ
ENDOS*SEG1/2/3/4/5/6*CARRIER RESTRICTIONS APPLY/FEES APPLY
TKT/TL23JUL20/2359
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER SPECIFIED - QF
Jun 23, 2020 | 9:57 am
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Thank you for the questions clansey1973. Gave me something to do while I'm hunkered down 😊 (I'm in the virus at-risk age group)
I'm assuming:
I see [MENTION=82303]ernest[/MENTION]ywang has addressed your third option, which is good because I know nothing about that fare. But I do know quite a bit about the other two.
The first option looks like a Oneworld Explorer ticket, specifically a LONE4 (economy class, 4 continents). The base fare for this is Ł2,100. I priced your itinerary using the tool available on the Oneworld website – the all-in fare is Ł2,824 (you could purchase it online if you wish). While more expensive than option 3, with this ticket you can do a lot more than your proposed itinerary. To learn more, take a look at the wiki to The Oneworld Explorer User Guide thread (in brief, you can fly any of the Oneworld airlines plus their affiliates, take up to one year and up to 16 flights).
Your second option is Oneworld's Global Explorer, specifically a LGLOB26 (economy class, maximum 26000 miles). The base fare for this is Ł1800, so the all-in cost for your itinerary will be about Ł300 less than the LONE4 cost. (The saving should be a bit more – because on this ticket you can take LA's SCL-AKL non-stop flight rather than fly QF via SYD, thus saving the transfer add-ons at SYD.) Again, with this ticket you can do a lot more than your proposed itinerary, though in your case you are pushing up against the 26,000 mile limit and the allowed 5 stopovers (your itinerary is 25,245 miles and 4 stopovers). More miles and more stopovers = more money, of course. You cannot book this ticket online – you need to contact a Oneworld airline or use travel agent.
So bottom line – if you only want your 4 stopovers, then Option 3 looks like your best bet.
But if you want to do more – then read on 😊
Option 1 – LONE4
You are allowed up to 4 flights in each of South West Pacific, Asia and Europe/Middle East – so you can make numerous additions to your itinerary. (see the User Guide wiki Ticket Tricks section)
Option2 – LGLOBnn
As I've said your proposed itinerary is bumping up against the limits of the LGLOB26, but for Ł300 more you can buy a LGLOB29, which allows up to 29,000 miles and up to 15 stopovers (maximum of 4 per continent). A feature of the Global Explorer is that it allows more airlines than just the Oneworld airlines plus their affiliates. Of interest to you may be that you can fly LA (the South American airline LATAM) and FJ (Fiji Airlines) and can also fly the QF codeshares on TN (Air Tahiti Nui) – here's a sub-29000 mile itinerary I knocked up as an example LHR-CMN-RIO-SCL-IPC-PPT-AKL-NAN-BNE-KUL-DEL-LHR.
I'm assuming:
- Your desired itinerary is LON-SCL-AKL-BNE-SIN-LON
- You will be travelling in economy class
I see [MENTION=82303]ernest[/MENTION]ywang has addressed your third option, which is good because I know nothing about that fare. But I do know quite a bit about the other two.
The first option looks like a Oneworld Explorer ticket, specifically a LONE4 (economy class, 4 continents). The base fare for this is Ł2,100. I priced your itinerary using the tool available on the Oneworld website – the all-in fare is Ł2,824 (you could purchase it online if you wish). While more expensive than option 3, with this ticket you can do a lot more than your proposed itinerary. To learn more, take a look at the wiki to The Oneworld Explorer User Guide thread (in brief, you can fly any of the Oneworld airlines plus their affiliates, take up to one year and up to 16 flights).
Your second option is Oneworld's Global Explorer, specifically a LGLOB26 (economy class, maximum 26000 miles). The base fare for this is Ł1800, so the all-in cost for your itinerary will be about Ł300 less than the LONE4 cost. (The saving should be a bit more – because on this ticket you can take LA's SCL-AKL non-stop flight rather than fly QF via SYD, thus saving the transfer add-ons at SYD.) Again, with this ticket you can do a lot more than your proposed itinerary, though in your case you are pushing up against the 26,000 mile limit and the allowed 5 stopovers (your itinerary is 25,245 miles and 4 stopovers). More miles and more stopovers = more money, of course. You cannot book this ticket online – you need to contact a Oneworld airline or use travel agent.
So bottom line – if you only want your 4 stopovers, then Option 3 looks like your best bet.
But if you want to do more – then read on 😊
Option 1 – LONE4
You are allowed up to 4 flights in each of South West Pacific, Asia and Europe/Middle East – so you can make numerous additions to your itinerary. (see the User Guide wiki Ticket Tricks section)
Option2 – LGLOBnn
As I've said your proposed itinerary is bumping up against the limits of the LGLOB26, but for Ł300 more you can buy a LGLOB29, which allows up to 29,000 miles and up to 15 stopovers (maximum of 4 per continent). A feature of the Global Explorer is that it allows more airlines than just the Oneworld airlines plus their affiliates. Of interest to you may be that you can fly LA (the South American airline LATAM) and FJ (Fiji Airlines) and can also fly the QF codeshares on TN (Air Tahiti Nui) – here's a sub-29000 mile itinerary I knocked up as an example LHR-CMN-RIO-SCL-IPC-PPT-AKL-NAN-BNE-KUL-DEL-LHR.
Jun 23, 2020 | 10:12 am
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can you provide a bit more information on this please.
Am I right it is an ex-LON return ticket with fare basis SLRWUK?
Where is the destination? In ExpertFlyer I've looked at its routing rules for LON-BNE rtn and LON-AKL rtn and neither seems to allow travel via SCL.
Just curious is all.
Jun 23, 2020 | 3:47 pm
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Your second option is Oneworld's Global Explorer, specifically a LGLOB26 (economy class, maximum 26000 miles). The base fare for this is Ł1800, so the all-in cost for your itinerary will be about Ł300 less than the LONE4 cost. (The saving should be a bit more – because on this ticket you can take LA's SCL-AKL non-stop flight rather than fly QF via SYD, thus saving the transfer add-ons at SYD.) Again, with this ticket you can do a lot more than your proposed itinerary, though in your case you are pushing up against the 26,000 mile limit and the allowed 5 stopovers (your itinerary is 25,245 miles and 4 stopovers). More miles and more stopovers = more money, of course. You cannot book this ticket online – you need to contact a Oneworld airline or use travel agent.
Option2 – LGLOBnn
As I've said your proposed itinerary is bumping up against the limits of the LGLOB26, but for Ł300 more you can buy a LGLOB29, which allows up to 29,000 miles and up to 15 stopovers (maximum of 4 per continent). A feature of the Global Explorer is that it allows more airlines than just the Oneworld airlines plus their affiliates. Of interest to you may be that you can fly LA (the South American airline LATAM) and FJ (Fiji Airlines) and can also fly the QF codeshares on TN (Air Tahiti Nui) – here's a sub-29000 mile itinerary I knocked up as an example LHR-CMN-RIO-SCL-IPC-PPT-AKL-NAN-BNE-KUL-DEL-LHR.
As I've said your proposed itinerary is bumping up against the limits of the LGLOB26, but for Ł300 more you can buy a LGLOB29, which allows up to 29,000 miles and up to 15 stopovers (maximum of 4 per continent). A feature of the Global Explorer is that it allows more airlines than just the Oneworld airlines plus their affiliates. Of interest to you may be that you can fly LA (the South American airline LATAM) and FJ (Fiji Airlines) and can also fly the QF codeshares on TN (Air Tahiti Nui) – here's a sub-29000 mile itinerary I knocked up as an example LHR-CMN-RIO-SCL-IPC-PPT-AKL-NAN-BNE-KUL-DEL-LHR.
Hi
can you provide a bit more information on this please.
Am I right it is an ex-LON return ticket with fare basis SLRWUK?
Where is the destination? In ExpertFlyer I've looked at its routing rules for LON-BNE rtn and LON-AKL rtn and neither seems to allow travel via SCL.
Just curious is all.
can you provide a bit more information on this please.
Am I right it is an ex-LON return ticket with fare basis SLRWUK?
Where is the destination? In ExpertFlyer I've looked at its routing rules for LON-BNE rtn and LON-AKL rtn and neither seems to allow travel via SCL.
Just curious is all.
You can find the full information below:
Code:
FQLHRAKL5DEC-QFĄBS
LON-AKL CXR-QF SAT 05DEC20 GBP
AA 0/ 0/ 5 LH 0/ 0/ 2 BA 0/ 0/12 AC 0/ 0/ 6 UA 0/ 0/ 8
EK 0/ 0/10 QF 0/ 0/ 3 CX 0/ 0/15 SQ 0/ 0/ 9 CA 0/ 0/ 3
NZ 0/ 0/19 CI 0/ 0/ 1 MH 0/ 0/ 3 QR 0/ 0/ 5 CZ 0/ 0/ 1
KE 0/ 0/ 1 MU 0/ 0/ 1 VS 0/ 0/ 3 TG 0/ 0/ 2 PR 0/ 0/ 1
//SEE FQHELP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEW FARE DISPLAYS//
SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TICKET MAY BE ADDED WHEN ITIN PRICED
QF LONAKL.EH 05DEC20 MPM 14809
V FARE BASIS AP FARE-OW FARE-RT BK SEASON MINMAX RTG
1 SLGB Ą 640.00 S 27OCT-05DECĄĄ/12M EH01
2 SLRWUK Ą 700.00 S 27OCT-05DEC -/12M EH02
3 SLOGB Ą 410.00 S 27OCT-05DECĄĄ/ - EH01
QF LONAKL.AP 05DEC20 MPM 14083
V FARE BASIS AP FARE-OW FARE-RT BK SEASON MINMAX RTG
4 SLRWUK Ą 1300.00 S 27OCT-05DEC -/12M AP01
AP01* /VIA THE ATLANTIC AND PACIFIC/ PUBLISHED RTG 1476
BETWEEN BOG AND SCL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN PTY AND SCL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN GUA AND SCL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN UIO AND SCL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN CUN AND SCL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED Ą
MD
1. LON-QF/BA/AA-YVR/YTO/WAS/SLU/SJO/SFO/SEA/SAN/PHX/PHL/Ą
ORL/NYC/NAS/MSY/MIA/MEX/LAX/LAS/HNL/GND/GCM/FLL/DFW/
DEN/CUN/CHI/BOS/BGI/BDA-QF/BA/AA-YVR/YTO/WAS/SLU/SJO/
SFO/SEA/SAN/PHX/PHL/ORL/NYC/NAS/MSY/MIA/MEX/LAX/LAS/
HNL/GND/GCM/FLL/DFW/DEN/CUN/CHI/BOS/BGI/BDA-QF/BA/AA-
YVR/SFO/NYC/LAX/HNL/DFW-QF-SYD/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE/
ADL-AKL
2. LON-QF/IB-MAD-QF/IB-UIO/SJO/SCL/SAO/RIO/PTY/LIM/GUA/
BUE/BOG-QF/LA/BA-SCL-QF-SYD/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL-
AKL
3. LON-QF/LA/BA-SCL/SAO/RIO/LIM/BUE-QF/LA/BA-SCL-QF-SYD/
MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL-AKL
4. LON-BA/AA-NYC/MIA-AA-UIO/SJO/PTY/GUA/CUN/BOG-QF-SCL-
QF-SYD/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL-AKL
5. LON-QF/BA/AA-YVR/SFO/NYC/LAX/HNL/DFW-QF-SYD/MEL/BNE-
AKL
EH01* /WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/ PUBLISHED RTG 581
BETWEEN CPT AND JNB SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN SYD AND BNE SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN SYD AND MEL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN BNE AND MEL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
1. LON-QF/EK-DXB-QF/EK-TYO/SIN/SHA/SGN/SEL/OSA/MNL/KUL/
JKT/HKT/HKG/DPS/CAN/BKK/BJS-QF/EK-SIN-SYD/PER/MEL/ Ą
MD
BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL Ą
2. LON-SIN-SYD/PER/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
3. LON-QF/EK-DXB-QF/EK-TYO/SIN/SHA/SGN/SEL/OSA/MNL/KUL/
JKT/HKT/HKG/DPS/CAN/BKK/BJS-QF/EK-TYO/HKG-SYD/MEL/
BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
4. LON-SIN-TYO/HKG-SYD/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
5. LON-QF/EK-DXB-QF/EK-TYO/SIN/SHA/SGN/SEL/OSA/MNL/KUL/
JKT/HKT/HKG/DPS/CAN/BKK/BJS-QF/EK-DPS-SYD/MEL-SYD/
MEL/BNE-AKL
6. LON-SIN-DPS-SYD/MEL-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
7. LON-PER-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
8. LON-QF/EK-DXB-QF/EK-TYO/SIN/SHA/SGN/SEL/OSA/MNL/KUL/
JKT/HKT/HKG/DPS/CAN/BKK/BJS-QF/EK-SHA/OSA/MNL/JKT/
BKK/BJS-SYD-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
9. LON-SIN-SHA/OSA/MNL/JKT/BKK/BJS-SYD-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
10. LON-QF/BA-LON-QF/BA-CPT-QF/BA-JNB-SYD-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
EH02* /WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/ PUBLISHED RTG 1475
BETWEEN JNB AND CPT SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN JNB AND DUR SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN SIN AND BJS SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN SIN AND MNL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN SIN AND OSA SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
BETWEEN SIN AND SHA SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED Ą
MD
1. LON-SIN-QF/CX-TYO/SIN/SHA/OSA/MNL/KUL/JKT/HKG/DPS/ Ą
BKK/BJS-SYD/PER/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE-ZQN/WLG/CHC/AKL-
AKL
2. LON-SIN-QF-SGN/REP/KUL/HKT/DPS/BKK-SIN/HKG/BKK-SYD/
PER/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE-ZQN/WLG/CHC/AKL-AKL
3. LON-QF/BA-NBO/JNB/DUR/CPT-QF/BA-JNB-SYD-SYD/MEL/BNE-
ZQN/WLG/CHC/AKL-AKL
Jun 23, 2020 | 4:27 pm
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Jun 24, 2020 | 2:28 am
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clansey1973 , are you going for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_...ember_14,_2020? If yes, you can squeeze in a SCL-CCP-SCL with LGLOB26, which will be close to the zone of total eclipse, but a SCL-ZCO-SCL, which takes you to the total eclipse zone, will be over 26000 mi. If you want to go to ZCO but can substitute SIN with HKG, you can still be under 26000 mi.
Jun 24, 2020 | 4:47 am
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