BA/QF RTW fare

Old Jun 23, 20, 7:23 am
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BA/QF RTW fare

Please can a RTW fare expert help me? I've called Trailfinders, they have offered me 3 different options for my proposed itinerary : Departing 8 Dec 20
LON BA SCL QF AKL QF BNE YY SIN YY LON.
1) A OW RTW fare of circa 2600 making use of any OW carrier and routing within reason.
2) A Global Explorer fare of circa 2300 presumably BA/QF/CX.
3) A QF Special Fare of 1900 using BA to SCL and restricted to QF for the rest of the journey.
Is my above understanding correct? Does anybody know the seasonality of the fares? When does Shoulder season end and High season begin? Can the Special Fare be booked directly with Qantas? Any assistance or other creative ideas gratefully received!
Thanks.
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Old Jun 23, 20, 8:15 am
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Originally Posted by clansey1973 View Post
3) A QF Special Fare of 1900 using BA to SCL and restricted to QF for the rest of the journey.
Is my above understanding correct? Does anybody know the seasonality of the fares? When does Shoulder season end and High season begin? Can the Special Fare be booked directly with Qantas? Any assistance or other creative ideas gratefully received!
Thanks.
The shoulder season begins on 06DEC and the lower shoulder season 12DEC while the higher shoulder season 15DEC. You need S class availability all the way and you need to transit in SYD on your SCL-AKL part. Something like this may be your best bet.
Code:
 1 BA 251S 05DEC 6 LHRSCL SS1  2200  0935   06DEC 7 /DCBA /E
 2 QF  28S 10DEC 4 SCLSYD*SS1  1335  1750   11DEC 5 /DCQF /E
 3 QF 149S 11DEC 5 SYDAKL*SS1  1850  2359  /DCQF /E
 4 QF 126S 16DEC 3 AKLBNE SS1  1630  1710  /DCQF /E
 5 QF  51S 11JAN 1 BNESIN SS1  1150  1750  /DCQF /E
 6 QF   1S 15JAN 5 SINLHR SS1  2355  0615   16JAN 6 /DCQF /E
WPMGBPAQF
PSGR TYPE  ADT - 01
         CXR RES DATE  FARE BASIS      NVB   NVA    BG
     LON
     SCL BA  S   05DEC SLRWUK          05DEC 05DEC 01P
    XSYD QF  S   10DEC SLRWUK          10DEC 10DEC 02P
     AKL QF  S   11DEC SLRWUK          11DEC 11DEC 02P
     BNE QF  S   16DEC SLRWUK          16DEC 16DEC 02P
     SIN QF  S   11JAN SLRWUK          11JAN 11JAN 02P
     LON QF  S   15JAN SLRWUK          15JAN 15JAN 02P
    FARE  GBP   1020.00  
    TAX   GBP     80.00GB GBP     48.66UB GBP    614.40XT          
MD
    TOTAL GBP   1763.06                                            
    ADT-01  SLRWUK
     LON BA SCL QF X/SYD QF AKL Q LONAKL24.84 807.36QF BNE QF SIN 
     QF LON434.73NUC1266.93END ROE0.805091
    XT GBP20.30ZQ GBP33.20AU GBP3.60WG GBP30.20WY GBP10.40F1
    XT GBP8.50IA GBP18.20KK GBP20.50SG GBP3.50OP GBP50.50YR
    XT GBP415.50YQ
    ENDOS*SEG1/2/3/4/5/6*CARRIER RESTRICTIONS APPLY/FEES APPLY
    TKT/TL23JUL20/2359
    ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER SPECIFIED - QF
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Old Jun 23, 20, 10:57 am
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Thank you for the questions clansey1973. Gave me something to do while I'm hunkered down 😊 (I'm in the virus at-risk age group)

I'm assuming:
I see @ernestywang has addressed your third option, which is good because I know nothing about that fare. But I do know quite a bit about the other two.

The first option looks like a Oneworld Explorer ticket, specifically a LONE4 (economy class, 4 continents). The base fare for this is 2,100. I priced your itinerary using the tool available on the Oneworld website – the all-in fare is 2,824 (you could purchase it online if you wish). While more expensive than option 3, with this ticket you can do a lot more than your proposed itinerary. To learn more, take a look at the wiki to The Oneworld Explorer User Guide thread (in brief, you can fly any of the Oneworld airlines plus their affiliates, take up to one year and up to 16 flights).

Your second option is Oneworld's Global Explorer, specifically a LGLOB26 (economy class, maximum 26000 miles). The base fare for this is 1800, so the all-in cost for your itinerary will be about 300 less than the LONE4 cost. (The saving should be a bit more – because on this ticket you can take LA's SCL-AKL non-stop flight rather than fly QF via SYD, thus saving the transfer add-ons at SYD.) Again, with this ticket you can do a lot more than your proposed itinerary, though in your case you are pushing up against the 26,000 mile limit and the allowed 5 stopovers (your itinerary is 25,245 miles and 4 stopovers). More miles and more stopovers = more money, of course. You cannot book this ticket online – you need to contact a Oneworld airline or use travel agent.

So bottom line – if you only want your 4 stopovers, then Option 3 looks like your best bet.



But if you want to do more – then read on 😊

Option 1 – LONE4

You are allowed up to 4 flights in each of South West Pacific, Asia and Europe/Middle East – so you can make numerous additions to your itinerary. (see the User Guide wiki Ticket Tricks section)

Option2 – LGLOBnn

As I've said your proposed itinerary is bumping up against the limits of the LGLOB26, but for 300 more you can buy a LGLOB29, which allows up to 29,000 miles and up to 15 stopovers (maximum of 4 per continent). A feature of the Global Explorer is that it allows more airlines than just the Oneworld airlines plus their affiliates. Of interest to you may be that you can fly LA (the South American airline LATAM) and FJ (Fiji Airlines) and can also fly the QF codeshares on TN (Air Tahiti Nui) – here's a sub-29000 mile itinerary I knocked up as an example LHR-CMN-RIO-SCL-IPC-PPT-AKL-NAN-BNE-KUL-DEL-LHR.
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Old Jun 23, 20, 11:12 am
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Originally Posted by ernestnywang View Post
The shoulder season begins on 06DEC and the lower shoulder season 12DEC while the higher shoulder season 15DEC. You need S class availability all the way and you need to transit in SYD on your SCL-AKL part. Something like this may be your best bet.
Hi
can you provide a bit more information on this please.
Am I right it is an ex-LON return ticket with fare basis SLRWUK?
Where is the destination? In ExpertFlyer I've looked at its routing rules for LON-BNE rtn and LON-AKL rtn and neither seems to allow travel via SCL.
Just curious is all.
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Originally Posted by clansey1973 View Post
Please can a RTW fare expert help me? I've called Trailfinders, they have offered me 3 different options for my proposed itinerary : Departing 8 Dec 20
LON BA SCL QF AKL QF BNE YY SIN YY LON.
Originally Posted by clansey1973 View Post
2) A Global Explorer fare of circa 2300 presumably BA/QF/CX.
Originally Posted by pandaperth View Post

Your second option is Oneworld's Global Explorer, specifically a LGLOB26 (economy class, maximum 26000 miles). The base fare for this is 1800, so the all-in cost for your itinerary will be about 300 less than the LONE4 cost. (The saving should be a bit more because on this ticket you can take LA's SCL-AKL non-stop flight rather than fly QF via SYD, thus saving the transfer add-ons at SYD.) Again, with this ticket you can do a lot more than your proposed itinerary, though in your case you are pushing up against the 26,000 mile limit and the allowed 5 stopovers (your itinerary is 25,245 miles and 4 stopovers). More miles and more stopovers = more money, of course. You cannot book this ticket online you need to contact a Oneworld airline or use travel agent.
Originally Posted by pandaperth View Post
Option2 LGLOBnn

As I've said your proposed itinerary is bumping up against the limits of the LGLOB26, but for 300 more you can buy a LGLOB29, which allows up to 29,000 miles and up to 15 stopovers (maximum of 4 per continent). A feature of the Global Explorer is that it allows more airlines than just the Oneworld airlines plus their affiliates. Of interest to you may be that you can fly LA (the South American airline LATAM) and FJ (Fiji Airlines) and can also fly the QF codeshares on TN (Air Tahiti Nui) here's a sub-29000 mile itinerary I knocked up as an example LHR-CMN-RIO-SCL-IPC-PPT-AKL-NAN-BNE-KUL-DEL-LHR.
clansey1973 , are you going for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_...ember_14,_2020? If yes, you can squeeze in a SCL-CCP-SCL with LGLOB26, which will be close to the zone of total eclipse, but a SCL-ZCO-SCL, which takes you to the total eclipse zone, will be over 26000 mi. If you want to go to ZCO but can substitute SIN with HKG, you can still be under 26000 mi.

Originally Posted by pandaperth View Post
Hi
can you provide a bit more information on this please.
Am I right it is an ex-LON return ticket with fare basis SLRWUK?
Where is the destination? In ExpertFlyer I've looked at its routing rules for LON-BNE rtn and LON-AKL rtn and neither seems to allow travel via SCL.
Just curious is all.
Destination is AKL and fare basis is SLRWUK. I don't know how EF works, but QF files 2 different routing indicators under this fare basis. If departing between 27OCT and 05DEC, the EH routing (via Asia) is cheaper with a 640GBP base fare while the AP routing (via the Americas) has a 1300GBP base fare.

You can find the full information below:
Code:
FQLHRAKL5DEC-QFBS
    LON-AKL       CXR-QF       SAT 05DEC20                     GBP
    AA  0/ 0/ 5  LH  0/ 0/ 2  BA  0/ 0/12  AC  0/ 0/ 6  UA  0/ 0/ 8
    EK  0/ 0/10  QF  0/ 0/ 3  CX  0/ 0/15  SQ  0/ 0/ 9  CA  0/ 0/ 3
    NZ  0/ 0/19  CI  0/ 0/ 1  MH  0/ 0/ 3  QR  0/ 0/ 5  CZ  0/ 0/ 1
    KE  0/ 0/ 1  MU  0/ 0/ 1  VS  0/ 0/ 3  TG  0/ 0/ 2  PR  0/ 0/ 1
    //SEE FQHELP FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE NEW FARE DISPLAYS//
      SURCHARGE FOR PAPER TICKET MAY BE ADDED WHEN ITIN PRICED
    QF     LONAKL.EH       05DEC20          MPM 14809
       V  FARE BASIS AP  FARE-OW   FARE-RT BK   SEASON  MINMAX  RTG
      1    SLGB                    640.00 S 27OCT-05DEC/12M EH01
      2    SLRWUK                  700.00 S 27OCT-05DEC -/12M EH02
      3    SLOGB         410.00           S 27OCT-05DEC/  - EH01
    QF     LONAKL.AP       05DEC20          MPM 14083
       V  FARE BASIS AP  FARE-OW   FARE-RT BK   SEASON  MINMAX  RTG
      4    SLRWUK                 1300.00 S 27OCT-05DEC -/12M AP01
    AP01*  /VIA THE ATLANTIC AND PACIFIC/ PUBLISHED RTG 1476
           BETWEEN BOG AND SCL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           BETWEEN PTY AND SCL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           BETWEEN GUA AND SCL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           BETWEEN UIO AND SCL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           BETWEEN CUN AND SCL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED             
MD
           1. LON-QF/BA/AA-YVR/YTO/WAS/SLU/SJO/SFO/SEA/SAN/PHX/PHL/
              ORL/NYC/NAS/MSY/MIA/MEX/LAX/LAS/HNL/GND/GCM/FLL/DFW/
              DEN/CUN/CHI/BOS/BGI/BDA-QF/BA/AA-YVR/YTO/WAS/SLU/SJO/
              SFO/SEA/SAN/PHX/PHL/ORL/NYC/NAS/MSY/MIA/MEX/LAX/LAS/
              HNL/GND/GCM/FLL/DFW/DEN/CUN/CHI/BOS/BGI/BDA-QF/BA/AA-
              YVR/SFO/NYC/LAX/HNL/DFW-QF-SYD/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE/
              ADL-AKL
           2. LON-QF/IB-MAD-QF/IB-UIO/SJO/SCL/SAO/RIO/PTY/LIM/GUA/
              BUE/BOG-QF/LA/BA-SCL-QF-SYD/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL-
              AKL
           3. LON-QF/LA/BA-SCL/SAO/RIO/LIM/BUE-QF/LA/BA-SCL-QF-SYD/
              MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL-AKL
           4. LON-BA/AA-NYC/MIA-AA-UIO/SJO/PTY/GUA/CUN/BOG-QF-SCL-
              QF-SYD/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL-AKL
           5. LON-QF/BA/AA-YVR/SFO/NYC/LAX/HNL/DFW-QF-SYD/MEL/BNE-
              AKL
    EH01*  /WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/ PUBLISHED RTG 581
           BETWEEN CPT AND JNB SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           BETWEEN SYD AND BNE SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           BETWEEN SYD AND MEL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           BETWEEN BNE AND MEL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           1. LON-QF/EK-DXB-QF/EK-TYO/SIN/SHA/SGN/SEL/OSA/MNL/KUL/
              JKT/HKT/HKG/DPS/CAN/BKK/BJS-QF/EK-SIN-SYD/PER/MEL/   
MD
              BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL                                  
           2. LON-SIN-SYD/PER/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
           3. LON-QF/EK-DXB-QF/EK-TYO/SIN/SHA/SGN/SEL/OSA/MNL/KUL/
              JKT/HKT/HKG/DPS/CAN/BKK/BJS-QF/EK-TYO/HKG-SYD/MEL/
              BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
           4. LON-SIN-TYO/HKG-SYD/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
           5. LON-QF/EK-DXB-QF/EK-TYO/SIN/SHA/SGN/SEL/OSA/MNL/KUL/
              JKT/HKT/HKG/DPS/CAN/BKK/BJS-QF/EK-DPS-SYD/MEL-SYD/
              MEL/BNE-AKL
           6. LON-SIN-DPS-SYD/MEL-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
           7. LON-PER-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
           8. LON-QF/EK-DXB-QF/EK-TYO/SIN/SHA/SGN/SEL/OSA/MNL/KUL/
              JKT/HKT/HKG/DPS/CAN/BKK/BJS-QF/EK-SHA/OSA/MNL/JKT/
              BKK/BJS-SYD-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
           9. LON-SIN-SHA/OSA/MNL/JKT/BKK/BJS-SYD-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
          10. LON-QF/BA-LON-QF/BA-CPT-QF/BA-JNB-SYD-SYD/MEL/BNE-AKL
    EH02*  /WITHIN THE EASTERN HEMISPHERE/ PUBLISHED RTG 1475
           BETWEEN JNB AND CPT SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           BETWEEN JNB AND DUR SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           BETWEEN SIN AND BJS SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           BETWEEN SIN AND MNL SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           BETWEEN SIN AND OSA SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED
           BETWEEN SIN AND SHA SURFACE SECTOR REQUIRED             
MD
           1. LON-SIN-QF/CX-TYO/SIN/SHA/OSA/MNL/KUL/JKT/HKG/DPS/   
              BKK/BJS-SYD/PER/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE-ZQN/WLG/CHC/AKL-
              AKL
           2. LON-SIN-QF-SGN/REP/KUL/HKT/DPS/BKK-SIN/HKG/BKK-SYD/
              PER/MEL/BNE-SYD/MEL/BNE-ZQN/WLG/CHC/AKL-AKL
           3. LON-QF/BA-NBO/JNB/DUR/CPT-QF/BA-JNB-SYD-SYD/MEL/BNE-
              ZQN/WLG/CHC/AKL-AKL
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Old Jun 23, 20, 5:27 pm
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Originally Posted by clansey1973 View Post
Please can a RTW fare expert help me? I've called Trailfinders, they have offered me 3 different options for my proposed itinerary : Departing 8 Dec 20
LON BA SCL QF AKL QF BNE YY SIN YY LON.
Depending on your passport Covid-19 travel restrictions may(will?) still be in place.
Particularity NZ & AU who are not expected to be open to general travel this calendar year, but no official government announcements have yet been made.
Check your travel insurance & ticket~travel agent t&c's very carefully

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Old Jun 24, 20, 3:28 am
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Originally Posted by ernestnywang View Post
clansey1973 , are you going for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_...ember_14,_2020? If yes, you can squeeze in a SCL-CCP-SCL with LGLOB26, which will be close to the zone of total eclipse, but a SCL-ZCO-SCL, which takes you to the total eclipse zone, will be over 26000 mi. If you want to go to ZCO but can substitute SIN with HKG, you can still be under 26000 mi.
A colleague of mine is interested in seeing the Solar Eclipse, it fired my imagination! The SLRWUK base fare of GBP1020 is so damned good that my imagination was fired also by the fare! If Australia is closed until 2021 for British Passports then it's all a moot point, sadly. Conceivably LON QF SIN//JKT QF SYD QF SCL BA LON for 1700ish does represent amazing value for money! Domestic travel around Chile can be done by rail or hire-car, although I understand the Eclipse is also visible from SCL? Thanks so much for taking the time to retrieve and blog the fare shown, as a Special Fare expert in my previous career, its really nice to be thinking about these things again. Let's hope the C19 phase passes and we can all start flying again. Thanks again!
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Old Jun 24, 20, 5:47 am
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Originally Posted by clansey1973 View Post
Domestic travel around Chile can be done by rail or hire-car, although I understand the Eclipse is also visible from SCL?
Partial only, around 80% according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_...2020Dec14T.png, not total.
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