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ernestnywang Dec 23, 2025 9:35 am


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 37493764)
HNL-HND non stop is flown by HA & JL. HNL-NRT by JL. HA brand, while owned by AS (oneword airline) is not an allowable airline. So need to go back to mainland USA, unless fly JL. HA brand is expected to join oneworld March 2026.
However when you buy a *ONE* the rules are locked in. That includes only the allowable airlines at that time. Cannot add/change to "new" airlines.

HA flights post-22APR2026 are considered prime AS flights and can already be booked in xONEx. At least this is allowed on when autopriced by Sabre. The flight information of these flights shows "ONEWORLD," too.

Code:

1 BA 775D 01FEB 7 OSLLHR*SS1  0720  0905  /DCBA /E
    2 BA 173D 01FEB 7 LHRJFK*SS1  1120  1420  /DCBA /E
    3 AS  21D 01MAR 7 JFKSEA SS1  0700  1028  /DCAS /E
    OPERATED BY /ALASKA
    JFK CHECK-IN WITH ALASKA AIRLINES
    4 AS 841D 05MAY 2 SEAHNL SS1  1545  1901  /DCAS /E
    OPERATED BY /ALASKA AS HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    SEA CHECK-IN WITH HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    5 AS 849D 01JUL 3 HNLKIX SS1  1320  1845  02JUL 4 /DCAS /E
    OPERATED BY /ALASKA AS HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    HNL CHECK-IN WITH HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    6 CX 565D 01AUG 6 KIXHKG SS1  1620  2115  /DCCX /E
    7 QR 817D 01SEP 2 HKGDOH*SS1  1940  2250  /DCQR /E
    8 QR 179D 02SEP 3 DOHOSL*SS1  0130  0720  /DCQR /E

WPRW„SOSL„TOSL„«

    PSGR TYPE  ADT - 01
        CXR RES DATE  FARE BASIS      NVB  NVA    BG
    OSL
    XLON BA  D  01FEB DONE3          01FEB 01FEB 02P
    NYC BA  D  01FEB DONE3          01FEB 01FEB 02P
    SEA AS  D  01MAR DONE3          01MAR 01MAR 02P
    HNL AS  D  05MAY DONE3          05MAY 05MAY 02P
    OSA AS  D  01JUL DONE3          01JUL 01JUL 02P
    HKG CX  D  01AUG DONE3          01AUG 01AUG 02P
    XDOH QR  D  01SEP DONE3          01SEP 01SEP 02P
    OSL QR  D  02SEP DONE3          02SEP 02SEP 02P
    FARE  NOK    52398 
    TAX  NOK      350G2 NOK      174ZN NOK    11229XT
    TOTAL NOK    64151
    ADT-01  DONE3
    OSL BA X/LON BA NYC AS SEA AS HNL AS OSA CX HKG QR X/DOH QR
    OSL5147.86NUC5147.86END ROE10.178591
    XT NOK423UB NOK580US NOK75YC NOK71XY NOK39XA NOK114AY NOK213SW
    XT NOK21OI NOK261HK NOK235G3 NOK85I5 NOK167QA NOK15PZ NOK167G4
    XT NOK889YR NOK7575YQ NOK161TW NOK28R9 NOK64TK NOK46XFHNL4.5
    ENDOS*SEG1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8*VALID ON ONEWORLD ONLY/NONREF
    TKT/TL07JAN26/2359
    ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - BA                                  „

Code:


V*AS841/5MAY«

    05MAY    DPTR      ARVL    MEALS    EQP  ELPD ACCUM  MILES  SM
    SEA HNL  1545      1901    M        332  6.16  6.16  2676  N
                                    ARR-TERMINAL 1               
    *SEA-HNL OPERATED BY /ALASKA AS HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    SEA-HNL CHECK-IN WITH HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    ONEWORLD.

V*AS849/1JUL«

    01JUL    DPTR      ARVL    MEALS    EQP  ELPD ACCUM  MILES  SM
    HNL KIX  1320      1845 „1 MM      332 10.25  10.25  4116  N
    DEP-TERMINAL 2                  ARR-TERMINAL 1               
    *HNL-KIX OPERATED BY /ALASKA AS HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    HNL-KIX CHECK-IN WITH HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    ONEWORLD.


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 37493764)
Other airlines (Amadues) are about 365 days out.

360 days on Amadeus but some airlines (such as BA) have a slightly shorter release period.

Mwenenzi Dec 23, 2025 12:58 pm


Originally Posted by ernestnywang (Post 37497054)
HA flights post-22APR2026 are considered prime AS flights and can already be booked in xONEx. At least this is allowed on when autopriced by Sabre. The flight information of these flights shows "ONEWORLD," too.
<snip>

Once Alaska AS took over Hawaiian Airlines HA as an airline does not exist. Always found it strange oneworld stated HA would join oneworld. To me more that AS schedules~routes would expand greatly with the former HA operations fully integrated into the AS. HA as such does not join oneworld.

From what I have read there is now 1 airline operating certificate, with all flights AS prime flight numbers. The “join” date seems to correlate with the IATA seasons. Maybe when they turn off the HA reservation system and add all HA flights to the AS reservation system.


IATA seasons define the airline industry's yearly flight schedule into two main periods: Summer (last Sunday in March to last Saturday in October) and Winter (last Sunday in October to last Saturday in March), aligning with Northern Hemisphere daylight saving time changes for global coordination, affecting routes, capacity, and pricing

ernestnywang Dec 23, 2025 1:07 pm


Originally Posted by Mwenenzi (Post 37497353)
Once Alaska AS took over Hawaiian Airlines HA as an airline it does not exist. Always found it strange OW stated HA would join OW. To me more that AS schedules~routes would expand greatly with the former HA operations fully integrated into the AS. HA as such does not join oneworld.

From what I have read there is now 1 airline operating certificate, with all flights AS prime flight numbers. The “join” date seems to correlate with the IATA seasons. Maybe when they turn off the HA reservation system and add all HA flights to the AS reservation system.

From a legal perspective, yes all HA flights are treated as AS flights now, but the HA flights are not AS prime flights yet from a reservation and ticketing point of view. These AS*/HA flights are AS8xxx (4 digits) now and are not considered oneworld yet. They will become AS8xx (3 digits) on 22APR and then consdered oneworld flights.

I don't know why AS/HA chose to set the effective date on 22APR, but that is indeed the date HA will switch back from Amadeus to Sabre. It is NOT the date that marks the IATA season change, which is 29MAR in 2026, nor is it the date North American daylight saving will start. HA used to be on Sabre, like AS, but chose to migrate to Amadeus just not so long before the AS merger. On hindsight, the effort was definitely wasted.

Code:

V*AS8021/21APR«

    21APR    DPTR      ARVL    MEALS    EQP  ELPD ACCUM  MILES  SM
    SEA HNL  1550      1854    M        789  6.04  6.04  2676  N
                                    ARR-TERMINAL 1               
    *SEA-HNL OPERATED BY /ALASKA AS HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    SEA-HNL CHECK-IN WITH HAWAIIAN AIRLINES.

V*AS841/22APR«

    22APR    DPTR      ARVL    MEALS    EQP  ELPD ACCUM  MILES  SM
    SEA HNL  1545      1901    M        332  6.16  6.16  2676  N
                                    ARR-TERMINAL 1               
    *SEA-HNL OPERATED BY /ALASKA AS HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    SEA-HNL CHECK-IN WITH HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    ONEWORLD.


meowycrystal Dec 30, 2025 4:40 pm

Thank you so much for everyone's help! I got the ticket priced and purchased with TA.
Ticket Base Fare £3741.00
Ticket Tax Fare £2184.73
Total Amount £5925.73
LAS-HNL I have to break it to LAS-LAX-HNL, I am wondering if I can "re-route" it after April 2026, to a direct LAS-HNL. But the price is good, I am not complaining :)



Mwenenzi Dec 30, 2025 6:02 pm


Originally Posted by meowycrystal (Post 37507631)
Thank you so much for everyone's help! I got the ticket priced and purchased with TA.
Ticket Base Fare £3741.00
Ticket Tax Fare £2184.73
Total Amount £5925.73
LAS-HNL I have to break it to LAS-LAX-HNL, I am wondering if I can "re-route" it after April 2026, to a direct LAS-HNL. But the price is good, I am not complaining :)

By April 2026 are you referring to HA?
Previously when an airline left or joined oneworld you were locked into the rules(~airlines) in place at the time. That was good or bad, depending on point of view. So could not use "new" airlines.
Always considered it strange OW considered HA as a "new" airline. For HA to me its not a "new" airline as such, but a step increase in AS routes. HA as an airline has ceased to exist.

ernestnywang Dec 30, 2025 11:21 pm


Originally Posted by meowycrystal (Post 37507631)
Thank you so much for everyone's help! I got the ticket priced and purchased with TA.
Ticket Base Fare £3741.00
Ticket Tax Fare £2184.73
Total Amount £5925.73
LAS-HNL I have to break it to LAS-LAX-HNL, I am wondering if I can "re-route" it after April 2026, to a direct LAS-HNL. But the price is good, I am not complaining :)

You can already book LAS-HNL on AS code after 22APR. Why wait? In fact, if you are still within a day and can void the ticket, I would simply change the routing to LAS-HNL now, so you can free up 1 sector and save the 125USD re-route fee.

To demonstrate, AS875/24OCT/LASHNL, for example, can already be priced in xONEx.

Code:

    1 BA4603D 12JAN 1 HNDLHR SS1  0950  1515  /DCBA /E
    OPERATED BY JAPAN AIRLINES
    2 BA 107D 30APR 4 LHRDXB SS1  1245  2310  /DCBA /E
    3 BA 106D 04MAY 1 DXBLHR SS1  0105  0555  /DCBA /E
    4 BA 626D 10SEP 4 LHRATH SS1  0725  1310  /DCBA /E
    5 BA 639D 16SEP 3 ATHLHR SS1  0730  0935  /DCBA /E
    6 BA 271D 15OCT 4 LHRLAS SS1  1215  1455  /DCBA /E
    7 AS 875D 24OCT 6 LASHNL SS1  0700  1030  /DCAS /E
    OPERATED BY /ALASKA AS HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    LAS CHECK-IN WITH HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
    8 JL  71D 02NOV 1 HNLHND SS1  1610  2010  03NOV 2 /DCJL /E

WPRW„TLON„SLON„«

    PSGR TYPE  ADT - 01
        CXR RES DATE  FARE BASIS      NVB  NVA    BG
    TYO
    LON BA  D  12JAN DONE3          12JAN 12JAN 02P
    DXB BA  D  30APR DONE3          30APR 30APR 02P
    LON BA  D  04MAY DONE3          04MAY 04MAY 02P
    ATH BA  D  10SEP DONE3          10SEP 10SEP 02P
    LON BA  D  16SEP DONE3          16SEP 16SEP 02P
    LAS BA  D  15OCT DONE3          15OCT 15OCT 02P
    HNL AS  D  24OCT DONE3          24OCT 24OCT 02P
    TYO JL  D  02NOV DONE3          02NOV 02NOV 02P
    FARE  JPY    789600 EQUIV GBP  3745.00
    TAX  GBP    14.00SW GBP    520.00GB GBP  1504.93XT
    TOTAL GBP  5783.93
    ADT-01  DONE3
    TYO BA LON BA DXB BA LON BA ATH BA LON BA LAS AS HNL JL TYO
    Q TYOTYO13.00 5123.33NUC5136.33END ROE153.728123
    XT GBP124.63UB GBP15.10AE GBP1.00TP GBP2.00ZR GBP10.10F6
    XT GBP2.60GR GBP4.40WQ GBP19.80WP GBP42.40US GBP5.50YC
    XT GBP5.20XY GBP2.80XA GBP8.20AY GBP85.30YR GBP1167.90YQ
    XT GBP4.70TK GBP3.30XFHNL4.5
    ENDOS*SEG1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8*VALID ON ONEWORLD ONLY/NONREF
    TKT/TL03JAN26/2359                                            „

MD«

    RATE USED 1JPY-0.00474334GBP                                  „
    ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - BA
    FORM OF PAYMENT FEES PER TICKET MAY APPLY
    ADT      DESCRIPTION                    FEE      TKT TOTAL
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 516470      0.00        5783.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 223529      0.00        5783.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 559867      0.00        5783.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 900024      0.00        5783.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 1611        0.00        5783.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 532728      0.00        5783.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 542527      0.00        5783.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 11251      0.00        5783.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 4          30.00        5813.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 51        30.00        5813.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 52        30.00        5813.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 53        30.00        5813.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 54        30.00        5813.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 55        30.00        5813.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 34        30.00        5813.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 37        30.00        5813.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 36        30.00        5813.93
    OBFCA - CC NBR BEGINS WITH 1          30.00        5813.93    „

MD«

    OBFDA - ANY CC                        0.00        5783.93    „
    ATTN*BAGGAGE INFO AVAILABLE - SEE WP*BAG
    .


DY444 Dec 31, 2025 12:42 am


Originally Posted by meowycrystal (Post 37507631)
Thank you so much for everyone's help! I got the ticket priced and purchased with TA.
Ticket Base Fare £3741.00
Ticket Tax Fare £2184.73
Total Amount £5925.73
LAS-HNL I have to break it to LAS-LAX-HNL, I am wondering if I can "re-route" it after April 2026, to a direct LAS-HNL. But the price is good, I am not complaining :)

I assume "TA" means Travel Agent, in which case would you mind revealing who you used? I'm attempting to stock-pile a list of viable purchasing options for future reference. Many thanks.

meowycrystal Jan 8, 2026 8:15 am

I used Amex travel ;)

DY444 Jan 8, 2026 8:23 am


Originally Posted by meowycrystal (Post 37525399)
I used Amex travel ;)

Thanks

zoombee Jan 9, 2026 1:39 am


Originally Posted by meowycrystal (Post 37525399)
I used Amex travel ;)

Oh! How much do they charge for booking, date changes and re-routes?

cmurphy2005 Jan 9, 2026 9:01 am

Hello everyone,

I'm researching a DONE4 RTW trip for my honeymoon. I tried to get in contact with Propeller Travel and paid the £50 fee for their RTW planning service, but it's been 10 days and I haven't had a response, so I thought I'd ask for some assistance from this board. Below is our current itinerary, which prices up as 57,959 NOK fare + 19,065 NOK in taxes = 77,024 NOK. I'm trying to figure out a few things:

1. Are there any red flags in terms of code choices that could reduce the taxes a little? Or do codeshares not affect the taxes, only the metal flown? We'd also be interested in taking the Qantas flight SYD-JFK (via AKL) instead of AA, but doing so seems to increase the fees substantially.
2. I'd be aiming to credit to BAEC - should I try to use an agent that will book the AA transpacific / transatlantic legs with a QR, or other, code?
3. Pending the above answers, is the AA RTW desk the best port of call to book this itinerary? I'm unable to book OSL-DOH as the first flight using the OneWorld tool as noted in the wiki etc. We are also going to likely push out the final legs (from ANU-JFK onwards) into 2027, and add another US round trip which I think would be permitted still as segments 15 and 16 (including DPS-SIN as a ground segment).

Really appreciate any guidance anyone can provide - thanks.

----

1 QR 176 10SEP OSL DOH
2 QR 962 11SEP DOH DPS

3 QF 54 18SEP SIN BNE

4 QF1592 22SEP BNE HTI
5 QF 579 27SEP HTI SYD

6 QF 728 30SEP SYD AYQ
7 QF 729 02OCT AYQ SYD

8 AA 72 05OCT SYD LAX
9 AA 307 05OCT LAX JFK

10 AA1749 08NOV JFK ANU
11 AA1359 12NOV ANU JFK

12 AA 100 19NOV JFK LHR
13 BA 774 21NOV LHR OSL

BMarkus Jan 9, 2026 9:42 am

What I figured out and as far as I know also Matt explained it in his video. As soon as you have any QF flights the prices take jump upwards. So I tried to avoid them as much as possible. Maybe you can move your SIN - BNE flight to something going towards SYD or MEL on another airline. As you want to credit to BAC then you might fly via BKK to MEL on AY?

DY444 Jan 9, 2026 10:11 am


Originally Posted by cmurphy2005 (Post 37527685)
Hello everyone,

I'm researching a DONE4 RTW trip for my honeymoon. I tried to get in contact with Propeller Travel and paid the £50 fee for their RTW planning service, but it's been 10 days and I haven't had a response, so I thought I'd ask for some assistance from this board. Below is our current itinerary, which prices up as 57,959 NOK fare + 19,065 NOK in taxes = 77,024 NOK. I'm trying to figure out a few things:

1. Are there any red flags in terms of code choices that could reduce the taxes a little? Or do codeshares not affect the taxes, only the metal flown? We'd also be interested in taking the Qantas flight SYD-JFK (via AKL) instead of AA, but doing so seems to increase the fees substantially.
2. I'd be aiming to credit to BAEC - should I try to use an agent that will book the AA transpacific / transatlantic legs with a QR, or other, code?
3. Pending the above answers, is the AA RTW desk the best port of call to book this itinerary? I'm unable to book OSL-DOH as the first flight using the OneWorld tool as noted in the wiki etc. We are also going to likely push out the final legs (from ANU-JFK onwards) into 2027, and add another US round trip which I think would be permitted still as segments 15 and 16 (including DPS-SIN as a ground segment).

Really appreciate any guidance anyone can provide - thanks.

----

1 QR 176 10SEP OSL DOH
2 QR 962 11SEP DOH DPS

3 QF 54 18SEP SIN BNE

4 QF1592 22SEP BNE HTI
5 QF 579 27SEP HTI SYD

6 QF 728 30SEP SYD AYQ
7 QF 729 02OCT AYQ SYD

8 AA 72 05OCT SYD LAX
9 AA 307 05OCT LAX JFK

10 AA1749 08NOV JFK ANU
11 AA1359 12NOV ANU JFK

12 AA 100 19NOV JFK LHR
13 BA 774 21NOV LHR OSL

QF are reputed to pile on the charges like they're going out of style so you might want to investigate alternatives for SIN-BNE for example. I don't know anything about other Australian domestic carriers but it might also be worthwhile looking into options with them outside the xONEx ticket for the internal Australia legs rather than using QF.

Mwenenzi Jan 9, 2026 10:43 am


Originally Posted by cmurphy2005 (Post 37527685)
I'm researching a DONE4 RTW trip for my honeymoon. I tried to get in contact with Propeller Travel and paid the £50 fee for their RTW planning service, but it's been 10 days and I haven't had a response, so I thought I'd ask for some assistance from this board. Below is our current itinerary, which prices up as 57,959 NOK fare + 19,065 NOK in taxes = 77,024 NOK. I'm trying to figure out a few things:

1. Are there any red flags in terms of code choices that could reduce the taxes a little? Or do codeshares not affect the taxes, only the metal flown? We'd also be interested in taking the Qantas flight SYD-JFK (via AKL) instead of AA, but doing so seems to increase the fees substantially.
<snip>

You seem to confusing real taxes, as paid to government and regulatory authorities, and carrier surcharges (YQ YR). Real taxes are they same for all carriers on the same routes/class of travel. Can/will be different real taxes for stopovers (+24hrs) vs transits


Originally Posted by DY444 (Post 37527820)
QF are reputed to pile on the charges like they're going out of style so you might want to investigate alternatives for SIN-BNE for example. I don't know anything about other Australian domestic carriers but it might also be worthwhile looking into options with them outside the xONEx ticket for the internal Australia legs rather than using QF.

Domestic airlines in Australia are QF Qantas, VA Virgin Australia, REX and JQ Jetstar (LLC owned by QF). And some very small regional airlines.

dvs7310 Jan 10, 2026 5:06 am


Originally Posted by BMarkus (Post 37527764)
What I figured out and as far as I know also Matt explained it in his video. As soon as you have any QF flights the prices take jump upwards. So I tried to avoid them as much as possible. Maybe you can move your SIN - BNE flight to something going towards SYD or MEL on another airline. As you want to credit to BAC then you might fly via BKK to MEL on AY?

Depends on the point of origin and even ticketing carrier. I realize the poster you replied to was asking about an ex-OSL, and that point of origin is fully exposed to high YQ / YR, ex-TYO is not. You can have long haul QF codes on ex-TYO without much effect on price. I have done it on both QF issued and CX issued tickets. There are also some ticketing carriers that don't add YQ / YR for all OW carriers, so even ex-OSL you might be able to get away with QF codes without the high cost if you ticket with a travel agent and target certain plating carriers.


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