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Originally Posted by zanderblue
(Post 37596449)
Hi folks,
looking for some thoughts and guidance. I have read recent posts on this thread and the other booking one. I think I’ve managed to get my head around the basics, but still a little uncertain and have a few newbie questions…….. I’ve had a play with the OW online tool and have managed to get a routing that whilst not optimal I can live with. Basically, departing OSL and heading west to NA, then onto Japan, NZ, then OZ. Continuing on from OZ ideally I’d like to head for SEZ, I can’t seem to avoid connection in DOH which is triggering the one intercontinental departure/arrival rule. Is anyone aware of a work around? Ive read a bit on here about differing YQ charges, how do I minimise these? Im currently Finnair Plus gold and had assumed that I’d just credit there, but I’m beginning to realise that this may not be most efficient. How do I figure out who the sweetest FF airline is? This trip is for spring 2027, so I’ve plenty time to figure it all out. Should I book as soon as first flight is available, then take advantage of free date changes or is it better to wait until closer in? I had used some dummy dates in Autumn to price up, and then tried for spring this year and found price dropped by about 10%???? Happy to share itin if that’d help? From what I gather, AA RTW desk may be currently best option for booking??? thanks in advance So you're essentially looking to do Europe-NA-Asia-SWP-Europe(DOH)-Africa-Europe. There's no workaround required - SEZ counts as Africa, and as per rule 4(e) you are allowed "two [intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrivals] in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa". Book via the AA RTW desk or a travel agent - chances are that the online tool just can't handle that exception properly. Using the website is usually a waste of time because of things like this. |
Originally Posted by zanderblue
(Post 37596449)
......Continuing on from OZ ideally I’d like to head for SEZ, I can’t seem to avoid connection in DOH which is triggering the one intercontinental departure/arrival rule.
Is anyone aware of a work around?...... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seyche...tional_Airport Airlines - routes to SEZ are limited. A separate ticket from/to somewhere to SEZ (cash or ff miles)?? |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 37597295)
From SEZ entry in Wikipedia QR is the only oneworld airport that fly's to SEZ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seyche...tional_Airport Airlines - routes to SEZ are limited. A separate ticket from/to somewhere to SEZ (cash or ff miles)?? Pre-Covid BA also flew there Adding SEZ adds an extra continent to the itinerary, which increases the base fare by ~8,000NOK An option is to substitute MLE (Maldives) for SEZ UL flies SYD or MEL to CMB, and CMB to MLE, and QR flies MLE to DOH |
Originally Posted by pandaperth
(Post 37597540)
....Adding SEZ adds an extra continent to the itinerary, which increases the base fare by ~8,000NOK
8,000 NOK = US$841 = UKP616 |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 37597580)
So a good reason to buy a separate ticket DOH-SEZ 2076 miles
8,000 NOK = US$841 = UKP616 roundtrip exDOH is likely more than $US1000 in economy. exCMB would be a much better choice (via AUH) I believe in less expensive wandering Fred |
Originally Posted by link2
(Post 37596457)
So you're essentially looking to do Europe-NA-Asia-SWP-Europe(DOH)-Africa-Europe. There's no workaround required - SEZ counts as Africa, and as per rule 4(e) you are allowed "two [intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrivals] in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa". Book via the AA RTW desk or a travel agent - chances are that the online tool just can't handle that exception properly. Using the website is usually a waste of time because of things like this. OSL-DOH-SEZ-DOH-AKL-SYD-JFK-GRU-MIA-PHL-EYW-PHL-DFW-SFO-JFK-DOH-OSL. So there are two intercontinental Europe departures (DOH-SEZ and DOH-AKL) and two intercontinental Europe arrivals (SEZ-DOH and JFK-DOH). I'm basically doing something like you want, only in the opposite (easterly) direction, with the SEZ stopover near the beginning of the trip versus at the end. My reading of rule 4(e)3 is that two IC departures and two IC arrivals are allowed in Europe if one departure and one arrival are to and from Africa (SEZ), which is why my RTW is legal.
Originally Posted by Oneworld
(e) Only one intercontinental departure and one intercontinental arrival permitted in each continent
except as follows: 1. Two permitted in North America. 2. Two permitted in Asia. 3. Two permitted in Europe/Middle East for travel to/from/via Africa. If travel is to/from Europe in both directions, itinerary may not include Mauritius/South Africa. I'm guessing the OP tried to book this using the online tool which is unlikely to give good results for edge cases like this one. |
Originally Posted by PHLGovFlyer
(Post 37598281)
Agreed. For the OP, I managed to book the following via the AA RTW desk:
OSL-DOH-SEZ-DOH-AKL-SYD-JFK-GRU-MIA-PHL-EYW-PHL-DFW-SFO-JFK-DOH-OSL <snip>. Edit Same concept as LHR-(SIN)-SYD by QF & BA with 1 flight number For ff earnings (redeemable miles & status) taken as SYD-JFK and LHR-SYD, even if the distance traveled is more. |
Originally Posted by Mwenenzi
(Post 37598602)
And SYD-JFK is actually SYD-(AKL)-JFK all sold as QF3, with 2:05hrs in AKL.
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Can anyone assure me I haven't misunderstood this ticket? I've now been on eight long calls with BA, and they're refusing to make the amendments I'd like, although I suspect it's just through lack of understanding. The long calls are always with front-line staff who have no idea what I'm talking about and are sending messages to the "pricing team" which may be completely wrong, for all I know.
Here's where I'm at: I've flown LHR – via Doha – Australia – North America, where my ticket has reached currently. I have so far made 7 flights, 2 of them in North America. I have a flight back to LHR booked for the summer, within a year of my first flight. That would be leg no.8 as it stands. However, now I wish to add in 4 more flights in North America before flying home. I'm aware of all the rules about the maximum number of flights in North America, the coast-to-coast limits, etc. The problem is not about the technicalities of the rules, they're simply saying "adding more flights isn't possible". But surely it is possible? |
Originally Posted by ChristchurchParkBlue
(Post 37612266)
Can anyone assure me I haven't misunderstood this ticket? I've now been on eight long calls with BA, and they're refusing to make the amendments I'd like, although I suspect it's just through lack of understanding. The long calls are always with front-line staff who have no idea what I'm talking about and are sending messages to the "pricing team" which may be completely wrong, for all I know.
Here's where I'm at: I've flown LHR – via Doha – Australia – North America, where my ticket has reached currently. I have so far made 7 flights, 2 of them in North America. I have a flight back to LHR booked for the summer, within a year of my first flight. That would be leg no.8 as it stands. However, now I wish to add in 4 more flights in North America before flying home. I'm aware of all the rules about the maximum number of flights in North America, the coast-to-coast limits, etc. The problem is not about the technicalities of the rules, they're simply saying "adding more flights isn't possible". But surely it is possible? Now based on anecdotal evidence (usual caveats apply), BA are useless with these tickets and worse, have a tendency to make up their own rules so getting to the right people is no guarantee of success, at least immediately, but it is a step on the way. Be prepared to have to go through multiple frustrating iterations of rebutting their replies with more references to the ticket rules. Then next time, if there is a next time, book with someone competent. |
Originally Posted by ChristchurchParkBlue
(Post 37612266)
Can anyone assure me I haven't misunderstood this ticket? I've now been on eight long calls with BA, and they're refusing to make the amendments I'd like, although I suspect it's just through lack of understanding. The long calls are always with front-line staff who have no idea what I'm talking about and are sending messages to the "pricing team" which may be completely wrong, for all I know.
Here's where I'm at: I've flown LHR – via Doha – Australia – North America, where my ticket has reached currently. I have so far made 7 flights, 2 of them in North America. I have a flight back to LHR booked for the summer, within a year of my first flight. That would be leg no.8 as it stands. However, now I wish to add in 4 more flights in North America before flying home. I'm aware of all the rules about the maximum number of flights in North America, the coast-to-coast limits, etc. The problem is not about the technicalities of the rules, they're simply saying "adding more flights isn't possible". But surely it is possible?
If within the rules more flights can be added with a US$125 fee. FT is not BA, so we can't make BA reissue the ticket. |
Thanks Mwenenzi. My original route booked was London – Perth (change at Doha) – Adelaide – Brisbane – LA – Dallas – Washington DC – London. The trip began in November 2025. I have got as far as Washingon DC; only the Washingon DC – London leg remains unused from the original plan. I wanted to add some additional flights within the USA for this summer (June – August) but did not know what they would be at the time. Now I do know, so I've asked:
1. To cancel the booked final leg home, Washingon DC – London 2. To add four new flights (Washingon DC – Montreal, Boston – Dallas FW, Dallas FW – Bozeman, Seattle – Dallas FW) 3. To add a different flight home, Dallas FW – London I'm convinced this is within the rules. I think if there was an issue with the rules, they'd have told me what it was, but the only message I'm getting (eight phone calls now, total about 5–6 hours being passed around) is a flat "we can't do that" with no explanation. I genuinely think my request simply hasn't reached someone who can handle it. As of this morning, because of my insistence on being put in contact with the people who my enquiry is permanently being referred to (variously called "the back office team" and sometimes "the pricing team"), I was told that "the pricing team will email you with details". That would be a real breakthrough if it happens. |
Originally Posted by ChristchurchParkBlue
(Post 37613243)
Thanks Mwenenzi. My original route booked was London – Perth (change at Doha) – Adelaide – Brisbane – LA – Dallas – Washington DC – London. The trip began in November 2025. I have got as far as Washingon DC; only the Washingon DC – London leg remains unused from the original plan. I wanted to add some additional flights within the USA for this summer (June – August) but did not know what they would be at the time. Now I do know, so I've asked:
1. To cancel the booked final leg home, Washingon DC – London 2. To add four new flights (Washingon DC – Montreal, Boston – Dallas FW, Dallas FW – Bozeman, Seattle – Dallas FW) 3. To add a different flight home, Dallas FW – London I'm convinced this is within the rules. I think if there was an issue with the rules, they'd have told me what it was, but the only message I'm getting (eight phone calls now, total about 5–6 hours being passed around) is a flat "we can't do that" with no explanation. I genuinely think my request simply hasn't reached someone who can handle it. As of this morning, because of my insistence on being put in contact with the people who my enquiry is permanently being referred (variously called "the back office team" and sometimes "the pricing team"), I was told that "the pricing team will email you with details". That would be a real breakthrough if it happens. |
Thanks, I'm sure that's very sound advice. All the internal flights are AA, and the one back to the UK can be too. I'll wait a day or two to see if I get BA's promised email communication line going, then that'll be my next move. I'll report back.
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Originally Posted by ChristchurchParkBlue
(Post 37613243)
Thanks Mwenenzi. My original route booked was London – Perth (change at Doha) – Adelaide – Brisbane – LA – Dallas – Washington DC – London. The trip began in November 2025. I have got as far as Washingon DC; only the Washingon DC – London leg remains unused from the original plan. I wanted to add some additional flights within the USA for this summer (June – August) but did not know what they would be at the time. Now I do know, so I've asked:
1. To cancel the booked final leg home, Washingon DC – London 2. To add four new flights (Washingon DC – Montreal, Boston – Dallas FW, Dallas FW – Bozeman, Seattle – Dallas FW) 3. To add a different flight home, Dallas FW – London I'm convinced this is within the rules. I think if there was an issue with the rules, they'd have told me what it was, but the only message I'm getting (eight phone calls now, total about 5–6 hours being passed around) is a flat "we can't do that" with no explanation. I genuinely think my request simply hasn't reached someone who can handle it. As of this morning, because of my insistence on being put in contact with the people who my enquiry is permanently being referred to (variously called "the back office team" and sometimes "the pricing team"), I was told that "the pricing team will email you with details". That would be a real breakthrough if it happens. Looking in Expertflyer, I'm not seeing any direct Oneworld flights between Washington DC and Montreal. If that is correct then a connection will be required, and that would take you up to seven flight segments in North America LAX-DFW-IAD/DCA (already flown) IAD/DCA-XXX-YUL BOS-DFW-BZN SEA-DFW ??? |
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