Originally Posted by SP0

OK, I'll give up on that one.

AA are also refusing to book a QR metal flight DOH-LHR with a BA flight number -- they say it has to be booked as QR -- what do you think about that? Will HUACA get a different answer or is this policy too?

Originally Posted by SP0

OK, I'll give up on that one.

AA are also refusing to book a QR metal flight DOH-LHR with a BA flight number -- they say it has to be booked as QR -- what do you think about that? Will HUACA get a different answer or is this policy too?

Originally Posted by pandaperth

It counts as one of the allowed 16 segments in a Oneworld itinerary,
BUT is also counts as "touching" Asia, and so increases the continent count by one.

Originally Posted by petez

So I assume that if you have already been to Asia (in my case Tokyo and Singapore) on my way down to Australia, you can't use QF9 as it it counted as going back to Asia ?

Originally Posted by petez

I tried a well known TA to price the following routing:

OSL/LHR/BDA/MIA/LAX/SAT/LAX/HNL/NRT/SIN/SYD/HBA/SYD/PER/DOH/xLHR/OSL

They said it fails on two counts - you can't visit the same place twice (in my case LHR, SAT and SYD) and the BDA/MIA/LAX legs there was availability as two sectors but because there was no married availability (same day flights), it wouldn't price

It would appear that they are using Sabre, so might not be able to use them.

Is this definitely a valid routing and if so who do I use - Carrier BA, AA, QR or suggestions on a TA ?

Originally Posted by petez

So I assume that if you have already been to Asia (in my case Tokyo and Singapore) on my way down to Australia, you can't use QF9 as it it counted as going back to Asia ?

Originally Posted by Padkir

Hi all.
So I've priced up a DONE5 Oneworld Explorer ticket (details below), and I have a question about the taxes and charges. The total is running at about 41% of the base fare, which is a bit higher than I'd have expected. On looking at the breakdown on AA.com (also copied below - the block of text is the various taxes, which totals about $450, which is fine), I can see that $1,508.70 of the total of $1,961.19 is down as "Carrier-imposed fees". I don't have any more detail as to which carrier or which flight and the AA rep wouldn't send me any more details.
Would anyone have any idea or recommendations as to how I could potentially reduce these carrier fees (would anyone know which legs are driving the highest ones)? Sorry I'm not sure of the proper way of showing all the details on the below, so I've written it out underneath also for clarity. AA may have grouped them slightly differently as I was just booking them on dummy dates (e.g. grouped Chicago to Honolulu via Anchorage as one flight with a stopover) - not sure if that matters?
Thanks!

CAI(QR)-xDOH(QR)-xDFW(AA)-SCL, BAQ(AA)-xMIA(AA)-ORD(AS)-ANC(AS)-HNL(JL)-xHND(JL)-SYD(QF)-NAN, AKL(MH)-KUL(MH)-DEL(BA)-xLHR(BA)-AMM

Cairo to Santiago, transiting Doha and Dallas Fort Worth (Qatar flights on CAI-DOH and DOH-DFW; I asked to be put on American Airlines codeshare but they said they couldn't) (AA on DFW-SCL)
Surface segment to Barranquilla
Barranquilla to Chicago via Miami on American Airlines
Chicago to Anchorage on Alaskan
Anchorage to Honolulu on Alaskan
Honolulu to Sydney via Haneda on Japan Airlines
Sydney to Nadi on Qantas
Surface segment to Auckland
Auckland to Kuala Lumpur on Malaysian
Kuala Lumpur to Delhi on Malaysian
Delhi to Amman via Heathrow on British Airways

Adult (per passenger)
$4,700.00 USD
CARRIER-IMPOSED FEES$1,508.70 USD
PASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE (UNITED STATES)$9.00 USDSEGMENT TAX (UNITED STATES)$14.40 USDTRANSPORTATION TAX (UNITED STATES)$52.80 USDUS APHIS USER FEE (UNITED STATES)$7.66 USDUS CUSTOMS USER FEE (UNITED STATES)$13.04 USDUS FEDERAL INSPECTION FEE (UNITED STATES)$14.00 USDUS SECURITY FEE (UNITED STATES)$22.40 USDPASSENGER MOVEMENT CHARGE (AUSTRALIA)$40.50 USDPASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE (AUSTRALIA)$46.90 USDAIRPORT TAX (COLOMBIA)$49.00 USDDEPARTURE FEE (EGYPT)$1.60 USDDEVELOPMENT FEE (EGYPT)$9.70 USDEMBARKATION TAX (EGYPT)$25.00 USDSERVICE CHARGE AT CAIRO AIRPORT (EGYPT)$2.00 USDSOLIDARITY TAX (EGYPT)$13.00 USDPASSENGER SERVICE FACILITIES CHARGE (JAPAN)$10.90 USDBORDER CLEARANCE LEVY (NEW ZEALAND)$3.30 USDPASSENGER SECURITY CHARGE (NEW ZEALAND)$10.70 USDPASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE (NEW ZEALAND)$11.20 USDAIRPORT FEE (QATAR)$16.50 USDPASSENGER FACILITY CHARGE (QATAR)$16.50 USDPASSENGER SAFETY AND SECURITY FEE (QATAR)$2.70 USDPASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE (QATAR)$0.50 USDPASSENGER SERVICE CHARGE (UNITED KINGDOM)$53.20 USDOTHER TAXES & CARRIER-IMPOSED FEES$5.99 USD
Total$6,661.19 USD per person

Originally Posted by skipaway

I'm in the midst of my third DONE3 (from CAI) and planning a 4th as it is probably the most advantageous way to get home from Cairo. I am not sure how AA credits the flights on an Explorer fare. I've always ticketed them through AA's RTW desk. Does the whole trip then fall under the cost of fare x cabin bonus x status bonus? Or do they somehow sort it so the partner flights accrue LPs based on distance? If so, would you want to use AA code shares on shorter flights, partner codeshares on longer ones when available? Is there still an advantage to maximizing distance on partner flights? It's been so much less stressful "blowing" segments on getting to and from my "spoke" hometown--no worry about missing my nested flight to get to the hub.

Originally Posted by skipaway

I'm in the midst of my third DONE3 (from CAI) and planning a 4th as it is probably the most advantageous way to get home from Cairo. I am not sure how AA credits the flights on an Explorer fare. I've always ticketed them through AA's RTW desk. Does the whole trip then fall under the cost of fare x cabin bonus x status bonus? Or do they somehow sort it so the partner flights accrue LPs based on distance? If so, would you want to use AA code shares on shorter flights, partner codeshares on longer ones when available? Is there still an advantage to maximizing distance on partner flights? It's been so much less stressful "blowing" segments on getting to and from my "spoke" hometown--no worry about missing my nested flight to get to the hub.

Originally Posted by skipaway

I'm in the midst of my third DONE3 (from CAI) and planning a 4th as it is probably the most advantageous way to get home from Cairo. I am not sure how AA credits the flights on an Explorer fare. I've always ticketed them through AA's RTW desk. Does the whole trip then fall under the cost of fare x cabin bonus x status bonus? Or do they somehow sort it so the partner flights accrue LPs based on distance? If so, would you want to use AA code shares on shorter flights, partner codeshares on longer ones when available? Is there still an advantage to maximizing distance on partner flights? It's been so much less stressful "blowing" segments on getting to and from my "spoke" hometown--no worry about missing my nested flight to get to the hub.

Originally Posted by dvs7310

I've seen reports of both, some people said they only got cost based credit and LPs from AA and I suspect that's going to be true if AA ticketed. Also of note, AA won't use partner codes on AA metal flights. My RTW last year had 2 fairly substantial AA segments on it (DFW-GRU-JFK) and fortunately they credited by miles flown as special fares (so base + cabin bonus + elite bonus). Mine was a QF issued ticket and suspect that does matter. I had one other AA domestic segment but managed to get it ticketed on the QR code.

When crediting to AA, basically for max mileage / LPs, the pecking order is
1) QR, BA, IB, AY codes
2) AA codes only if Special Fare
3) QF codes on flights to / from North America
4) Pretty much everything else since I think all other OW carriers credit D at 125% (+status bonus) to AA
5) AA codes if cost base

Originally Posted by dvs7310

This is a super interesting one for me, glad you posted the full breakout like this. I was looking at a somewhat similar itinerary but was comparing doing ex-TYO and ex-CAI. The base price of ex-CAI is a lot less but looks like you're getting hit with a lot more YQ and your total price is quite similar to the last ex-TYO I priced out. I'm doing Africa this time instead of South America (did that last year). I'm getting between 960,000 JPY to about 1,100,000 JPY depending if I use QF or AA for New Zealand to North America (QF cheaper interestingly but VERY hard to find D availability), so that's just a hair more than your ex-CAI itinerary and I wouldn't have to deal with positioning flights to CAI (I hate that airport).

Originally Posted by Padkir

That is interesting. Just FYI for full disclosure for you, when I changed the flight times around to get the stopovers vs transits correct, and changed the DEL-LHR-AMM on BA to DEL-DOH-AMM on QR, I was able to reduce the surcharges a bit. The full final prices was $6,383 ($4,700 base fare plus $1,683 taxes/charges).

I possibly could have moved a few other flights around to reduce the surcharges a bit more, but I ended up booking this when EUR-USD rate was briefly up over 1.10 USD to 1 EUR, so I got a decent deal I think.