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JonNYC Aug 1, 2016 8:29 pm


Originally Posted by ajnaro (Post 27000512)
Something strange here -- I just looked at oneworld rtw MPM fares on expertflyer.com (8.55pm, NY time), and I got US$ 2722.83 for DONE5. This actually nearly the same as I paid on July 11th. Maybe my connection to experflyer.com is faulty?

Definitely wouldn't be your connection to EF, would be their connection onward, and must have been intermittent while updating type thing.

SDandi Aug 1, 2016 8:38 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 27001228)
If you notice the fares I posted were after your call. It will depend on when they price it. Watch the itinerary on AA.com and it will give you your price before you call. Good luck!

That's what I'm worried about. I finished up with the agent at 4 and called back at 4:50 (10 minutes before they closed) and it hadn't been priced yet.She said call back tomorrow.


Watch the itinerary on AA.com and it will give you your price before you call.
I booked it using my BA FF account. I can see that about 75% of my flights were booked at 25% of my husbands. Ill look tomorrow to see if it will show me the fare.


Good luck!
Thanks!!

skunker Aug 1, 2016 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by SDandi (Post 27001286)
That's what I'm worried about. I finished up with the agent at 4 and called back at 4:50 (10 minutes before they closed) and it hadn't been priced yet.She said call back tomorrow.


I booked it using my BA FF account. I can see that about 75% of my flights were booked at 25% of my husbands. Ill look tomorrow to see if it will show me the fare.



Thanks!!

Did you make the booking with AA or BA? The FF account doesn't matter, just the airline PNR. If it was AA then use the PNR they gave you (or look it up) and check AA.com

SDandi Aug 1, 2016 9:23 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 27001342)
Did you make the booking with AA or BA? The FF account doesn't matter, just the airline PNR. If it was AA then use the PNR they gave you (or look it up) and check AA.com

Excellent point! My brain is fried! Thank you!

SDandi Aug 1, 2016 9:28 pm

Passenger x 1

$5,261.00

Taxes
$330.26

Carrier-imposed fees
$510.30

Total (all passengers)
$6,101.56

And there you have it. I started a new ticket because the agent told me that the fare had not gone up. So, now we have no tickets.

skunker Aug 1, 2016 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by SDandi (Post 27001433)
Passenger x 1

$5,261.00

Taxes
$330.26

Carrier-imposed fees
$510.30

Total (all passengers)
$6,101.56

And there you have it. I started a new ticket because the agent told me that the fare had not gone up. So, now we have no tickets.

Sorry about that. Most of the time the advice given on FT is better than the advice given by the airline/hotel/etc. Remember that you could have changed the routing and dates after ticketing for $125.

On to the next deal.

SDandi Aug 1, 2016 10:13 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 27001484)
Sorry about that. Most of the time the advice given on FT is better than the advice given by the airline/hotel/etc. Remember that you could have changed the routing and dates after ticketing for $125.

On to the next deal.

I really trusted Kathy at the AA RTW desk...and she broke my heart.:(
With all the changes I was making she suggested I start from the beginning and then she confirmed the rate was the same so I went with it. The real kicker is that the CDG-DOH-SEZ route at the end was accepted.

For all who have purchased these RTW tickets before, where does $6100 fall on the scale of good deals? Particularly when you plan on traveling to two of the places on your itinerary anyway and you were already going to be in Africa (for a previously arranged trip) at the start of your RTW.

And, someone mentioned that these are similar to South Africa RTW prices. How similar are they?

skunker Aug 1, 2016 10:35 pm

I posted the fares for WDH which are now equal to South Africa. Your fare is still cheaper and until recently would have been considered a fairly good deal. Check CAI though.

flyingislove Aug 1, 2016 10:43 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 27001618)
I posted the fares for WDH which are now equal to South Africa. Your fare is still cheaper and until recently would have been considered a fairly good deal. Check CAI though.

While it sucks, I would agree with this sentiment. There is a lot of merit in booking even with the current deals. These are still some of the best prices on the market. To put it in perspective, a BA I class fare on some random dates in November is going for $4639 RT just from JNB-ORD. The reverse is $6345. There was no way those fares in the $2K range would last. And I say this sadly, too, because I missed my chance on this one, not thinking change would come so soon...

SDandi Aug 1, 2016 11:05 pm


Originally Posted by skunker (Post 27001618)
I posted the fares for WDH which are now equal to South Africa. Your fare is still cheaper and until recently would have been considered a fairly good deal. Check CAI though.

Good to know! Just checking because we will already be in JNB. I'm kicking myself...


While it sucks, I would agree with this sentiment. There is a lot of merit in booking even with the current deals. These are still some of the best prices on the market. To put it in perspective, a BA I class fare on some random dates in November is going for $4639 RT just from JNB-ORD. The reverse is $6345. There was no way those fares in the $2K range would last.
Thank you. That helps. I am trying to be reasonable about this. Seychelles are included in this itinerary and we were planning on going there next summer/fall. RT LAX-SEZ in R is $8200.

pandaperth Aug 1, 2016 11:18 pm


Originally Posted by SDandi (Post 27001563)
For all who have purchased these RTW tickets before, where does $6100 fall on the scale of good deals? Particularly when you plan on traveling to two of the places on your itinerary anyway and you were already going to be in Africa (for a previously arranged trip) at the start of your RTW.

And, someone mentioned that these are similar to South Africa RTW prices. How similar are they?

IMHO $6100 falls into the "Very Good Deal" category. Last year I happily paid about that for an ex-South Africa DONE5 all-in price

The ex-MPM fares fell into the "Excellent Deal" category. IIRC the only other deal to fall into that category was the ex-Sudan fares back in 2012 (I snagged one of them too:))
I've heard there was an excellent ex-Mauritius fare some time back too, but that was before my time here.

I'm sorry you missed out at the last minute SDandi. You were late to the party, but learnt really fast and seemed good to go. I especially liked your finish of CDG-xDOH-SEZ as your way of getting back to Africa:). (I visited SEZ on my way to KRT to start my ex-KRT DONE4 in 2013 - so I've ticked that place off my list already)

Dr. HFH Aug 2, 2016 1:20 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27001751)
I've heard there was an excellent ex-Mauritius fare some time back too, but that was before my time here.

Indeed, that is true. What's more, the BA office there misinterpreted the rules so we all got tickets with a routing to which we were not entitled.

pandaperth Aug 2, 2016 1:30 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 27002036)
Indeed, that is true. What's more, the BA office there misinterpreted the rules so we all got tickets with a routing to which we were not entitled.

Misinterpreted - in our favour! How wonderful.
What was the misinterpretation and what were the fares like back then?

Olga Kulikova Aug 2, 2016 4:28 am

Hi! Can you check my route (Global explore fare)
DME (Russia)-MAD
MAD-PTY
PTY-MGA (surface)
MGA-MIA (stopover)
MIA-UIO (stopover)
UIO-GPS
GPS-GYE (stopover)
GYE-LIM
LIM-SCL
SCL-IPC
IPC-SCL(stopover)
SCL-SYD
SYD-BKK
BKK-NRT (stopover)
NRT-KHV (Russia).

Two airlines said me, that I should come back to DME (Moscow, Russia).
But in rules

D. Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows:
(a) within country of origin

Himeno Aug 2, 2016 4:38 am


Originally Posted by Olga Kulikova (Post 27002429)
Two airlines said me, that I should come back to DME (Moscow, Russia).
But in rules

D. Travel may originate at any point for which fares are published and must terminate at the same point, except that origin-destination surface segments are permitted as follows:
(a) within country of origin

There are parts of the rules which treat Russia east of the Urals (asia) differently to Russia west of the Urals (europe). Moscow is west and Khabarovsk is east.

That shouldn't have any impact on this rule, but some airlines might claim otherwise.

The routing looks fine. You have flights left over. Any reason you can't add on a KHV-OVB-DME at the end?

Olga Kulikova Aug 2, 2016 4:56 am

If I add KHV-OVB-DME it will be 17 flights.

Himeno Aug 2, 2016 5:06 am


Originally Posted by Olga Kulikova (Post 27002520)
If I add KHV-OVB-DME it will be 17 flights.

So it is... I missed the IPC flights when I checked.
That's also where you have a problem. -UIO-GPS-GYE-LIM-SCL-IPC-SCL- is 6 flights in South America. You're only allowed 4.

pandaperth Aug 2, 2016 5:12 am


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 27002534)
So it is... I missed the IPC flights when I checked.
That's also where you have a problem. -UIO-GPS-GYE-LIM-SCL-IPC-SCL- is 6 flights in South America. You're only allowed 4.

Buzz! Wrong!
The Global Explorer rule differ from the Oneworld Explorer rules in this respect
The Global Explorer rule is maximum of 4 stopovers per continent, not a maximum of four flights

Olga Kulikova Aug 2, 2016 5:14 am

Why?

Flights and stopovers
- Select up to 16 flight segments on your round-the-world itinerary. Travel between two airports by surface transportation will count as one flight segment.
- Each tier includes the following stopover allowances:
Tier 1 – Minimum two. Maximum five (including a maximum of two within a region).
Tiers 2, 3 and 4 – Minimum two. Maximum four within a region.
All tiers – A maximum of two stopovers are permitted in the region of origin.

I can have more than 4 flights/segments is the South America region.

christep Aug 2, 2016 5:15 am


Originally Posted by Olga Kulikova (Post 27002429)
Hi! Can you check my route (Global explorer fare)...


Originally Posted by Himeno (Post 27002534)
That's also where you have a problem. -UIO-GPS-GYE-LIM-SCL-IPC-SCL- is 6 flights in South America. You're only allowed 4.

There's no such limit on Global Explorer fares that I can see.

Edit - ooops - I'm getting slow in my old age! :D

Olga Kulikova Aug 2, 2016 5:17 am

But now, how I can explain to airlines that my all route is ok?

Olga Kulikova Aug 2, 2016 5:20 am

And now, how I can explain to airlines, that all my route is ok?

christep Aug 2, 2016 5:24 am

Great circle mapper shows the total mileage as 34501, so this is a 39000 GE as far as I can see.

Olga Kulikova Aug 2, 2016 5:26 am

Is it a problem?
I can choose LGLOB39 39000 (ECONOMY ONLY)

pandaperth Aug 2, 2016 5:30 am


Originally Posted by Olga Kulikova (Post 27002563)
But now, how I can explain to airlines that my all route is ok?

Sorry Olga, but in my opinion your route is not OK
Airlines look for the most restrictive rules and I think they have you on this one:

C/TRAVEL MUST BE IN A CONTINUOUS FORWARD DIRECTION BETWEEN TC1-TC2-TC3
This rule implies you must return to the TC area in which you started.

The problem is Russia is split between two TC areas - European Russia in TC2 and Asian Russia in TC3.
Start in European Russia, you have to return to European Russia.
In other words start in TC2, you have to return to TC2.

Also, are you trying to keep your mileage under 34,000? Your itinerary is just over; remember surface segment miles have to be included - dme-mad-pty-mga-mia-uio-gps-uio-lim-scl-ipc-scl-syd-bkk-nrt-khv
Forget this comment - I see you're thinking of an LGLOB39, allowing you up to 39,000 miles

christep Aug 2, 2016 5:31 am

No, not a problem - just checking that you know that the surface sector has to be counted, which pushes it over 34000 miles.

It looks OK to me, although with Russia being split between TC3 and TC2 I can see that there is some slight ambiguity. It's the only case in which you don't start and end in the same TC, although the fact that the start and end are in the same country and that is explicitly allowed would seem to make it fine for me. Maybe try to get a different airline to ticket it?

pandaperth Aug 2, 2016 5:36 am

Would this work for you?
dme-mad-pty-mga-mia-uio-gps-uio-lim-scl-ipc-scl-syd-nrt-bkk-ovb-dme

Olga Kulikova Aug 2, 2016 5:42 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27002633)

No,because I'm from KHV:)

pandaperth Aug 2, 2016 5:48 am

So maybe you can start from somewhere just East of the Urals - in other words in Asian (TC3) Russia? Such as:
ovb-dme-mad-pty-mga-mia-uio-gps-uio-lim-scl-ipc-scl-syd-bkk-nrt-khv

pandaperth Aug 2, 2016 5:51 am

Also, I have just remembered this from the fare rules

ALL OTHER CODESHARE FLIGHTS ARE NOT PERMITTED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF QF CODESHARE SERVICES OPERATED BY AIR TAHITI NUI-TN
QF has a codeshare on TN PPT-AKL

So you could fly IPC-PPT-AKL-SYD instead of IPC-SCL-SYD

It does take one extra segment, but you get Tahiti and New Zealand

Olga Kulikova Aug 2, 2016 5:53 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27002668)
So maybe you can start from somewhere just East of the Urals - in other words in Asian (TC3) Russia? Such as:
ovb-dme-mad-pty-mga-mia-uio-gps-uio-lim-scl-ipc-scl-syd-bkk-nrt-khv

Or maybe I can make KHV-DME surface segment? Is it ok?

pandaperth Aug 2, 2016 6:00 am

I like the way you think:)
But no - I seem to remember reading somewhere on FlyerTalk just recently that a surface segment is required to have a flight segment before it and a flight segment after it. (Makes sense to me.)
So a surface segment OVB-DME at the start won't work either:)

Olga Kulikova Aug 2, 2016 6:02 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27002679)
Also, I have just remembered this from the fare rules

QF has a codeshare on TN PPT-AKL

So you could fly IPC-PPT-AKL-SYD instead of IPC-SCL-SYD

It does take one extra segment, but you get Tahiti and New Zealand

I know, but I need visa for New Zealand and Tahiti.
For this route I already need US visa, Shengen, Australia and Japan:(

Olga Kulikova Aug 2, 2016 6:13 am


Originally Posted by pandaperth (Post 27002679)
Also, I have just remembered this from the fare rules

QF has a codeshare on TN PPT-AKL

So you could fly IPC-PPT-AKL-SYD instead of IPC-SCL-SYD

It does take one extra segment, but you get Tahiti and New Zealand

And as I know, it's hard to find ticket IPC-PPT-AKL for this fare. For example, no tickets for January 2017.

pandaperth Aug 2, 2016 6:27 am


Originally Posted by Olga Kulikova (Post 27002745)
And as I know, it's hard to find ticket IPC-PPT-AKL for this fare. For example, no tickets for January 2017.

Ah, of course. You are right. Economy ("L") class can be hard to find on those south pacific routes.

Calchas Aug 2, 2016 6:38 am


Originally Posted by Olga Kulikova (Post 27002688)
Or maybe I can make KHV-DME surface segment? Is it ok?

An air ticket cannot start or end with a surface sector.

You can always have a KHV-DME flight that is far into the future, to use the next time you go to Moscow?

Olga Kulikova Aug 2, 2016 6:54 am


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 27002823)
An air ticket cannot start or end with a surface sector.

You can always have a KHV-DME flight that is far into the future, to use the next time you go to Moscow?

Great idea! Thank you!:D

Dr. HFH Aug 2, 2016 7:04 am


Originally Posted by Olga Kulikova (Post 27002688)
Or maybe I can make KHV-DME surface segment? Is it ok?

IIRC first segment cannot be a surface segment.

Olga Kulikova Aug 2, 2016 7:06 am


Originally Posted by Calchas (Post 27002823)
An air ticket cannot start or end with a surface sector.

You can always have a KHV-DME flight that is far into the future, to use the next time you go to Moscow?

And if I understand right, I can change date of flight for free?

pandaperth Aug 2, 2016 7:17 am


Originally Posted by Olga Kulikova (Post 27002909)
And if I understand right, I can change date of flight for free?

Yes.
Remember, the last flight must be within one year of the first flight


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