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ajnaro Jul 20, 2016 7:53 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 26942422)

As I mentioned in post 265 here I've been working with three Mozambique travel agents to see if they can correctly price a DONE5...


None is this is necessary anymore. Just call up BA in South Africa on +27 10 344 0130, option 4, and give them your routing. They are very quick, courteous, and knowledgeable. Just a short time ago I bought an ex-MPM DONE5 from them, with the first segment on QR, using a non-Moçambique credit card without any problems or complications. It's all very simple and direct. You should now be able to buy any rtw, starting anywhere, quoted in any currency, directly from any oneworld carrier anywhere with conversion to the currency of the location where you are buying the ticket at the bank interchange rate. No market restrictions! You could even use the AA rtw desk in the USA.

danger Jul 20, 2016 7:57 am


Originally Posted by ajnaro (Post 26942574)
None is this is necessary anymore. Just call up BA in South Africa on +27 10 344 0130, option 4, and give them your routing. They are very quick, courteous, and knowledgeable. Just a short time ago I bought an ex-MPM DONE5 from them, with the first segment on QR, using a non-Moçambique credit card without any problems or complications. It's all very simple and direct.

Well that all sounds very easy. I'll give it a shot.

aaupgrade Jul 20, 2016 8:26 am


Originally Posted by danger (Post 26942441)
I've posted an update in post eight, here.

Just book with AA RTW desk as I did for an ex-MPM AONE4 this past Friday. The rule change discussed over the past week in this thread, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...-sheet-24.html, means no more having to jump through hoops.

aaupgrade Jul 20, 2016 8:29 am

Or the AA RTW desk as I mentioned in the other thread. No more jumping through hoops and it is so much nicer working with agents whose expertise is RTW tickets.

I booked ex-MPM with AA RTW desk last Friday, no problems. New rules state:

When travel originates in a country for which a specific local currency fares is published and the ticket is sold in another country, the fare will be that published for the country of origin converted to the currency of the country of sale at the bank selling rate.

pandaperth Jul 20, 2016 8:38 am


Originally Posted by aaupgrade (Post 26942747)
Or the AA RTW desk as I mentioned in the other thread. No more jumping through hoops and it is so much nicer working with agents whose expertise is RTW tickets.

I booked ex-MPM with AA RTW desk last Friday, no problems. New rules state:

I wonder...
If I phone the AA RTW desk from Australia, can I then pay in Australian dollars?

skipaway Jul 20, 2016 11:04 am


Originally Posted by aaupgrade (Post 26942725)
Just book with AA RTW desk as I did for an ex-MPM AONE4 this past Friday. The rule change discussed over the past week in this thread, http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...-sheet-24.html, means no more having to jump through hoops.

Thanks, aaupgrade. I'm still not sure where to go with my earned redeemable miles >75K (lots to ponder), but I'm definitely booking another *ONE* from "north of Durban". My dilemma is whether to insert one of those 4K Etihad xMPM first class round trips in between ending this one in CPT and starting the new one. That would be quite an experience. And an incentive (one of the few left) to achieve EXP this year: I can redeposit my award miles for free!! Like, yeah, that really makes a dent in $4000, lol.
Incidentally, I should make LTPLT too, this trip. I think about 13K miles to go. Probably after the devaluations, the only value is sapphire lounge access abroad. My last flight DFW-SFO, AA159 Monday morning, had 50 names on the upgrade list.

headinclouds Jul 20, 2016 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by aaupgrade (Post 26942747)
Or the AA RTW desk as I mentioned in the other thread. No more jumping through hoops and it is so much nicer working with agents whose expertise is RTW tickets.

I booked ex-MPM with AA RTW desk last Friday, no problems. New rules state:

What are the current operating hours ? Last time I called a few years ago, it was 7am to 6 pm and shorter hours on Sat/Sun.

Dr. HFH Jul 20, 2016 11:36 pm

Trying to put a DONE4 together now very quickly, as time is short.

The QR DOH-MPM arrives at 1340 and the return leaves at 1500. Anyone done this at MPM? Is it doable? Do you have to enter the country?

aaupgrade Jul 21, 2016 10:19 am


Originally Posted by Dr. HFH (Post 26946325)
Trying to put a DONE4 together now very quickly, as time is short.

The QR DOH-MPM arrives at 1340 and the return leaves at 1500. Anyone done this at MPM? Is it doable? Do you have to enter the country?

FWIW, I called the Mozambique embassy here in Washington DC and they said I needed a visa to transit which implies I need to enter the country. As such, for US folks at 160 USD for the visa, I'm planning an overnight stay. Wish the Visa was for a year, but it's not. The longest they have is multiple entry visa for 180 days.

I have no actual experience yet, so if anyone else does, I'd be interested in more info.

I Googled for more info but could not find anything of substance. I did find complaints about the price and varying anecdotes about visa upon arrival, which their web site says "VISA CAN NO LONGER BE ISSUED UPON ARRIVAL AT ANY OF MOZAMBIQUE'S ENTRANCE POINTS".

Mozambique Visa Info

Of course in your case, and in theory, they'll put you back on the flight you arrived on; but I don't know if I'd count on that.

christep Jul 21, 2016 9:02 pm


Originally Posted by aaupgrade (Post 26948353)
Of course in your case, and in theory, they'll put you back on the flight you arrived on; but I don't know if I'd count on that.

The problem being that in the absence of a visa the airline taking you to MPM would most likely not allow you to board, even though you could show that you had a valid ticket for the return flight so they would not be out of pocket when your entry was declined.

wijibintheair Jul 24, 2016 2:20 pm

Does anyone know the base fare for a DONE4 ex - that city north of Durban with the Portuguese influence? I have tried using the oneworld tool, and it allows me to choose the direct QR flight to DOH as a starter flight, but I am assuming that you still cannot get a quote with QR being the first carrier?? If that is the case - does anyone have the base fare? Thanks for any assistance.

christep Jul 24, 2016 2:22 pm

assuming you mean MPM then http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/26953257-post1509.html

wijibintheair Jul 24, 2016 2:42 pm


Originally Posted by christep (Post 26961943)

Thank you - that is exactly what I was looking for - much appreciated!

ajnaro Jul 24, 2016 2:43 pm


Originally Posted by wijibintheair (Post 26961932)
Does anyone know the base fare for a DONE4 ex - that city north of Durban with the Portuguese influence? I have tried using the oneworld tool, and it allows me to choose the direct QR flight to DOH as a starter flight, but I am assuming that you still cannot get a quote with QR being the first carrier?? If that is the case - does anyone have the base fare? Thanks for any assistance.

You can probably get the quote, with all charges, from the site, but you can't actually buy the ticket. The base fare is USD 2449.43; the total cost will be around USD 3,000.

wijibintheair Jul 24, 2016 2:54 pm


Originally Posted by ajnaro (Post 26962024)
You can probably get the quote, with all charges, from the site, but you can't actually buy the ticket. The base fare is USD 2449.43; the total cost will be around USD 3,000.

Thank you very much

Gardyloo Jul 24, 2016 5:02 pm


Originally Posted by ajnaro (Post 26962024)
You can probably get the quote, with all charges, from the site, but you can't actually buy the ticket. The base fare is USD 2449.43; the total cost will be around USD 3,000.


Originally Posted by wijibintheair (Post 26962067)
Thank you very much

Look here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/26942747-post11.html

Dr. HFH Jul 24, 2016 9:01 pm


Originally Posted by wijibintheair (Post 26961932)
Does anyone know the base fare for a DONE4 ex - that city north of Durban with the Portuguese influence?

No need to play games with things like that in this thread; and it just makes it that much harder for the rest of us. Take a look around and you will see that this has already been discussed openly quite a bit.

pbd456 Jul 25, 2016 12:52 am


Originally Posted by ajnaro (Post 26962024)
You can probably get the quote, with all charges, from the site, but you can't actually buy the ticket. The base fare is USD 2449.43; the total cost will be around USD 3,000.

the price of expertflyer is wrong. and i doubt if one can price a done4 for 3000 usd consider that qr has yq out of mpm... and depending on routing, one is pretty much force to pay another yq for ba if trying to use close to 16 segments.

moa999 Jul 25, 2016 1:23 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 26963786)
the price of expertflyer is wrong..

so what is the correct price?
(i agree its likely to be an old price, but not sure if a current one actually exists)

christep Jul 25, 2016 1:42 am

ajnaro and aaupgrade reported buying ex-MPM last week in this thread (from BA S Africa, and AA RTW desk respectively), and made no comment on pricing, so I assume it was more or less as expected from EF.

ajnaro Jul 25, 2016 6:09 am

My DONE5 ex-MPM, quote from BA in South Africa:

FARE 42,140 ZAR (basic fare)
FEES 11,188.23 ZAR (taxes & carrier imposed surcharges)
FEE 250 ZAR (this fee is from BA in SA for their services)
TOTAL 56,578.23 ZAR

Route: MPM-xDOH-JFK-GIG-SCL-IPC-SCL-GIG-xJFK-HKG-NRT-SIN-CMB-HKG-xJNB-MRU-JNB
56,287 miles

My route does not pass through London, so the fees could be much higher. The route was determined by personal travel preferences, not mileage maximization. If the HLE airport ever opens up, it will replace MRU.

PS I know the figrues from BA in SA don't quite add up, but that's the way the quote was given.

The amount actually charged to my credit card on July 15th was ZAR 56,469, presumably because of exchange rate fluctuations. On that date, according to xe.com, ZAR 42,140 was USD 2933.78. The fare given today by expertflyer.com for DONE5 ex-MPM is USD 2792.02.

aaupgrade Jul 25, 2016 6:15 am

My ex-JNB AONE4 ticket under the old prices was $7453.29 USD; I cancelled and was refunded $7422.44 (including 5% penalty and 300 ZAR fee) thanks to FX rates so only a $31 net cost to cancel.

I purchased my ex-MPM AONE4 ticket for $5588.16 through the AA RTW desk; base fare being $4043 with $1545.16 taxes and fees. Net savings of about $1800.

Note all prices referenced above are in USD.. Also prices will vary with current MZN exchange rates relative to your home currency.

Route: MPM-xDOH-ORD-xDFW-EGE-xLAX-JFK-HKG-DPS-xHKG-LHR//ARN-xHEL-PRG-xLHR-CPT-JNB

wijibintheair Jul 25, 2016 6:17 am


Originally Posted by ajnaro (Post 26964442)
My DONE5 ex-MPM, quote from BA in South Africa:

FARE 42,140 ZAR (basic fare)
FEES 11,188.23 ZAR (taxes & carrier imposed surcharges)
FEE 250 ZAR (this fee is from BA in SA for their services)
TOTAL 56,578.23 ZAR

Route: MPM-xDOH-JFK-GIG-SCL-IPC-SCL-GIG-xJFK-HKG-NRT-SIN-CMB-HKG-xJNB-MRU-JNB
56,287 miles

My route does not pass through London, so the fees could be much higher. The route was determined by personal travel preferences, not mileage maximization. If the HLE airport ever opens up, it will replace MRU.

PS I know the figrues from BA in SA don't quite add up, but that's the way the quote was given.

The amount actually charged to my credit card on July 15th was ZAR 56,469, presumably because of exchange rate fluctuations. On that date, according to xe.com, ZAR 42,140 was USD 2933.78. The fare given today by expertflyer.com for DONE5 ex-MPM is USD 2792.02.

Thanks for this - great to know.

JAXBA Jul 25, 2016 7:47 am

I had a request for the D and A fares ex-MPM:


Originally Posted by JAXBA (Post 26953257)
The D fares as currently stored in Amadeus, displayed in NUCs:

Code:

FQDMPMMPM/15NOV/VRW/ABA/CD/R,NUC
ROE 58.96300 UP TO 10.00 MZN                                                   
15NOV16**29NOV16/BA MPMMPM/NLX;RW/TPM ...../MPM .....                         
LN FARE BASIS    OW  NUC  RT  B PEN  DATES/DAYS  AP MIN MAX R               
01 DONE4                2752.57 D  -    -    -  @  @ -  12M@R               
02 DGLOB34              2752.57 D  -    -    -  @  @ -  12M@R               
03 DONE5                3137.56 D  -    -    -  @  @ -  12M@R               
04 DONE6                3815.95 D  -    -    -  @  @ -  12M@R               
>                                                PAGE  1/ 1

A DONE4 would be USD2753 plus TFCs, a DONE6 USD3816+

The A fares:

Code:

FQDMPMMPM/15NOV/VRW/ABA/CA/R,NUC
ROE 58.96300 UP TO 10.00 MZN
15NOV16**29NOV16/BA MPMMPM/NLX;RW/TPM ...../MPM .....
LN FARE BASIS    OW  NUC  RT  B PEN  DATES/DAYS  AP MIN MAX R
01 AONE4                4485.86 A  -    -    -  @  @ -  12M@R
02 AGLOB34              4485.86 A  -    -    -  @  @ -  12M@R
03 AONE5                5164.25 A  -    -    -  @  @ -  12M@R
04 AONE6                6190.32 A  -    -    -  @  @ -  12M@R
>                                                PAGE  1/ 1

AONE4 USD4486+, AONE6 USD6190+

pbd456 Jul 25, 2016 8:07 am


Originally Posted by ajnaro (Post 26964442)
My DONE5 ex-MPM, quote from BA in South Africa:

FARE 42,140 ZAR (basic fare)
FEES 11,188.23 ZAR (taxes & carrier imposed surcharges)
FEE 250 ZAR (this fee is from BA in SA for their services)
TOTAL 56,578.23 ZAR

Route: MPM-xDOH-JFK-GIG-SCL-IPC-SCL-GIG-xJFK-HKG-NRT-SIN-CMB-HKG-xJNB-MRU-JNB
56,287 miles

My route does not pass through London, so the fees could be much higher. The route was determined by personal travel preferences, not mileage maximization. If the HLE airport ever opens up, it will replace MRU.

PS I know the figrues from BA in SA don't quite add up, but that's the way the quote was given.

The amount actually charged to my credit card on July 15th was ZAR 56,469, presumably because of exchange rate fluctuations. On that date, according to xe.com, ZAR 42,140 was USD 2933.78. The fare given today by expertflyer.com for DONE5 ex-MPM is USD 2792.02.

aa wouldnt ley me fly scl xjfk hkg and,i m forced to buy scl xdfw hkg which has 150 yr. i guess 3600 usd is possible for done5 assuming one only pay for qr yq at the beginning.

pbd456 Jul 25, 2016 8:09 am

expertflyer uses the current rate of 64 to convert, while the roe is 58.9. the excess is put into surcharge. i found out by looking at my sister receipt.

pbd456 Jul 25, 2016 8:13 am


Originally Posted by aaupgrade (Post 26964464)
My ex-JNB AONE4 ticket under the old prices was $7453.29 USD; I cancelled and was refunded $7422.44 (including 5% penalty and 300 ZAR fee) thanks to FX rates so only a $31 net cost to cancel.

I purchased my ex-MPM AONE4 ticket for $5588.16 through the AA RTW desk; base fare being $4043 with $1545.16 taxes and fees. Net savings of about $1800.

Note all prices referenced above are in USD.. Also prices will vary with current MZN exchange rates relative to your home currency.

Route: MPM-xDOH-ORD-xDFW-EGE-xLAX-JFK-HKG-DPS-xHKG-LHR//ARN-xHEL-PRG-xLHR-CPT-JNB

so what is your long haul aa segment?

ajnaro Jul 25, 2016 9:10 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 26964915)
so what is your long haul aa segment?

Maybe EGE should really be EZE

JonNYC Jul 25, 2016 10:03 am

Wow, nice fares!

aaupgrade Jul 25, 2016 10:08 am


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 26964915)
so what is your long haul aa segment?

No long haul AA. DOH-ORD on QR is AA code share as A was only available on AA code share, not available of QR flight number. I also am doing CX JFK-HKG as AA code share.


Originally Posted by ajnaro (Post 26965218)
Maybe EGE should really be EZE

EGE is supposed to be EGE as that is my second home. Not to mention EZE would make it a AONE5, which it is not.

jbalmuth Jul 25, 2016 10:52 am


Originally Posted by aaupgrade (Post 26965540)
DOH-ORD on QR is AA code share as A was only available on AA code share, not available of QR flight number.

I'm curious about the "A" class booking on the DOH - ORD route.

Is this due to a temporary A380 substitution on the route --- and if so, what expectation do you have about what will occur if QR reverts to its usual 2-cabin B777 on the date of your flight?

Are involuntary cabin downgrades ever reimbursed or compensated on AONEx tickets --- and if so, who do you think that you would receive it from (i.e. QR, who would not sell you the "A" ticket on that sector, or AA)?

TIA for your thoughts.

pandaperth Jul 25, 2016 11:42 am

Maybe we should start another thread titled "Another DONEx originating MPM
or better yet put the posts about these tickets in the new custom-purpose thread http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/onewo...periences.html
(where I hope to be posting tomorrow:D)

wijibintheair Jul 25, 2016 1:05 pm

I am still a little confused by the rules about transiting through Europe/Middle East twice. Would the following be a valid itinerary:
MPM-xDOH-LAX-JFK-SCL-IPC-SCL-GIG-xJFK-HKG-CMB-NRT-LHR-ATH-MAD-DOH-CPT
Any advice welcome.

aaupgrade Jul 25, 2016 4:04 pm


Originally Posted by jbalmuth (Post 26965757)
I'm curious about the "A" class booking on the DOH - ORD route.

Is this due to a temporary A380 substitution on the route --- and if so, what expectation do you have about what will occur if QR reverts to its usual 2-cabin B777 on the date of your flight?

Are involuntary cabin downgrades ever reimbursed or compensated on AONEx tickets --- and if so, who do you think that you would receive it from (i.e. QR, who would not sell you the "A" ticket on that sector, or AA)?

TIA for your thoughts.

My bad, I mis-typed. When I booked this there was no D on the QR flight, but there was D on the AA code share of that flight for the day I wanted.

My flight is not until the end of the year and is supposed to be a 77W. I'll keep an eye on it now that you've brought it to my attention and if it changes, I'll change to A.

pbd456 Jul 25, 2016 5:48 pm


Originally Posted by wijibintheair (Post 26966416)
I am still a little confused by the rules about transiting through Europe/Middle East twice. Would the following be a valid itinerary:
MPM-xDOH-LAX-JFK-SCL-IPC-SCL-GIG-xJFK-HKG-CMB-NRT-LHR-ATH-MAD-DOH-CPT
Any advice welcome.

AA rtw says it is not valid.

ajnaro Jul 25, 2016 7:33 pm


Originally Posted by pbd456 (Post 26967671)
AA rtw says it is not valid.

Maybe

MPM-xDOH-LAX-JFK-SCL-IPC-SCL-GIG-xJFK-HKG-CMB-NRT-LHR-ATH-MAD-DOH-MPM
or
MPM-xDOH-LAX-JFK-SCL-IPC-SCL-GIG-xJFK-HKG-CMB-NRT-LHR-ATH-MAD-DOH-WDH

would be valid since the routing involves neither South Africa or Mauritius.

pbd456 Jul 25, 2016 7:35 pm


Originally Posted by ajnaro (Post 26968027)
Maybe

MPM-xDOH-LAX-JFK-SCL-IPC-SCL-GIG-xJFK-HKG-CMB-NRT-LHR-ATH-MAD-DOH-MPM

would be valid since it involves neither South Africa or Mauritius.

aa says mad doh is not allowed. u can argue with aa as much as u want but if the rate desk wont rate, what can u do?

pandaperth Jul 26, 2016 3:00 am

ex-MPM DONE5 paid in AUD
 
My next DONE5 has just been ticketed by Qantas

AUD 3,769 Base Fare
AUD 751.75 Taxes and Fees
AUD 390.40 Carrier imposed charges
AUD 4,911.15 TOTAL (approx. USD3,700)

The travel agent I used in Australia charged me a AUD241 service fee

And by the way everybody - the agent who did this said that QF commented on how cheap the fare was and that "something will have to be done about that".
It might be wise to purchase sooner rather than later

pyffii Jul 26, 2016 6:18 am

I am about to book my DONE5 for next year and the ONE WORLD booking tool price was horrific something like 124000 ZAR per person ex JNB which is a huge jump on last years ticketing...Will call RTW desk in AA in Dallas and see what they price it at
JNB-LHR-LIS-LHR-INN-LHR-MIA-LIR-DFW-JFK-HKG-MEL-BNE-MEL-SYD-JNB

og Jul 26, 2016 6:46 am


Originally Posted by jbalmuth (Post 26965757)
Are involuntary cabin downgrades ever reimbursed or compensated on AONEx tickets --- .

A few years ago I had an AGLOBxx ticket with a CX sector booked / confirmed in A. Booking and ticketing was by CX. Due to an aircraft sub I ended up in Business. CX refused any compensation stating that I could be put in a lower class without compensation. I didn't fight it as it was only a short flight


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