Planning RTW DONE3... some questions
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It was always QF that charged you the $125 (plus sometimes their additional service fee)? I think it's a mistake on their part to charge the $125.
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Changing a transit to a stopover requires reissue of the ticket and repricing (including taxes), unless the ticket already was coded and priced as if it was a stopover even though it actually is a transit.
Changing a stopover to a transit does not require reissue of the ticket and does not require repricing.
Changing a stopover to a transit does not require reissue of the ticket and does not require repricing.
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Changing a transit to a stopover requires reissue of the ticket and repricing (including taxes), unless the ticket already was coded and priced as if it was a stopover even though it actually is a transit.
Changing a stopover to a transit does not require reissue of the ticket and does not require repricing.
Changing a stopover to a transit does not require reissue of the ticket and does not require repricing.
It doesn't show up in the rules published by Oneworld, and I've looked at rule sheets going back to 2008, but I assume it's somewhere in the GDS or in-house rules visible to the various member airlines.
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No, I've been charged the $125 on transit > stopover changes by AA too.
This is what I've always been told by AA, BA or QF.
It doesn't show up in the rules published by Oneworld, and I've looked at rule sheets going back to 2008, but I assume it's somewhere in the GDS or in-house rules visible to the various member airlines.
This is what I've always been told by AA, BA or QF.
It doesn't show up in the rules published by Oneworld, and I've looked at rule sheets going back to 2008, but I assume it's somewhere in the GDS or in-house rules visible to the various member airlines.
(1) Prior to departure
(a) Changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same. If the first flight coupon is being changed, and the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance, no refund will apply.
(b) Changes to ticketed points are permitted at a charge of USD125.00 per transaction. If the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will also be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance, no refund will apply.
(2) After Departure
(a) Changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same.
(b) Changes to ticketed points are permitted at a charge of USD125.00 per transaction.
(a) Changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same. If the first flight coupon is being changed, and the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance, no refund will apply.
(b) Changes to ticketed points are permitted at a charge of USD125.00 per transaction. If the fare level has increased since ticket issuance, the difference between the old and new fare will also be charged. If the fare level has decreased since ticket issuance, no refund will apply.
(a) Changes are permitted provided ticketed points remain the same.
(b) Changes to ticketed points are permitted at a charge of USD125.00 per transaction.
8. STOPOVERS
Permitted
NOTE: 1. Minimum 2 stopovers required
2. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
Permitted
NOTE: 1. Minimum 2 stopovers required
2. Maximum two stopovers permitted in the continent of origin of which a maximum of one stopover is permitted in each direction in the country of origin.
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An x for transit is treated differently to an o for stopover. A ticketed stopover can be utilised for a transit (under 24 hours) but a ticketed transit can never be utilised for a stopover (over 24 hours).
It isn't a reroute fee but a reticketing fee. Some changes require reticketing while others do not.
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It is not a oneworld rule per se, but rather IATA rule.
An x for transit is treated differently to an o for stopover. A ticketed stopover can be utilised for a transit (under 24 hours) but a ticketed transit can never be utilised for a stopover (over 24 hours).
It isn't a reroute fee but a reticketing fee. Some changes require reticketing while others do not.
An x for transit is treated differently to an o for stopover. A ticketed stopover can be utilised for a transit (under 24 hours) but a ticketed transit can never be utilised for a stopover (over 24 hours).
It isn't a reroute fee but a reticketing fee. Some changes require reticketing while others do not.
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With e-tickets it can be hard to tell if a transit has been ticketed as a transit or a stopover. With paper tickets it was obvious from the x and o column.
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Another oddity is possibly wanting to re-ticket with zero changes in order to have fuel surcharges repriced at current reduced rates that can save more than the $125 ticketing fee I assume would be charged. I'm going to be asking AA about this soon, though I may wind up changing the route anyhow.
I spent a chunk of time over XMAS researching fuel charges for xONEx tickets with a view to a post in a bit (*). An example of one curious type of situation was DFW-SIN. Flying DFW-xHKG-SIN has the same fuel charges as DFW-xNRT-SIN but DFW-HKG-SIN is cheaper by more than $125.
(*: work distracted in Jan, but coming soon now: a bunch of changes to update in my draft)
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Are you really changing the ticket if you don't re-ticket? Or is it better characterized as if you ticket an xONEx with a stopover you can actually have a sub-24 hour "stopover" by which I mean the ticket and taxes and fuel surcharges are all indistinguishable from that of a longer stopover: no refunds for taxes and fuel surcharges.
Another oddity is possibly wanting to re-ticket with zero changes in order to have fuel surcharges repriced at current reduced rates that can save more than the $125 ticketing fee I assume would be charged. I'm going to be asking AA about this soon, though I may wind up changing the route anyhow.
I spent a chunk of time over XMAS researching fuel charges for xONEx tickets with a view to a post in a bit (*). An example of one curious type of situation was DFW-SIN. Flying DFW-xHKG-SIN has the same fuel charges as DFW-xNRT-SIN but DFW-HKG-SIN is cheaper by more than $125.
(*: work distracted in Jan, but coming soon now: a bunch of changes to update in my draft)
Another oddity is possibly wanting to re-ticket with zero changes in order to have fuel surcharges repriced at current reduced rates that can save more than the $125 ticketing fee I assume would be charged. I'm going to be asking AA about this soon, though I may wind up changing the route anyhow.
I spent a chunk of time over XMAS researching fuel charges for xONEx tickets with a view to a post in a bit (*). An example of one curious type of situation was DFW-SIN. Flying DFW-xHKG-SIN has the same fuel charges as DFW-xNRT-SIN but DFW-HKG-SIN is cheaper by more than $125.
(*: work distracted in Jan, but coming soon now: a bunch of changes to update in my draft)
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Ah, I missed that. Interesting/tnx. Does your experience include any cases where fuel surcharge/tax changes are charged/refunded when simple date/time changes are the cause for ticket reissue?
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I can't recall for sure, but I think not. I have recently made a few date/time changes where AA reissued the ticket but did not recalculate the taxes and fees. I do know that when I last did a reroute, AA recalculated the taxes and fees.
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[QUOTE=checkerboard;24278842]
Ex-CAI fares DONE4 EGP44000 and AONE4 EGP90300 have been the same since early 2014. I got these fares confirmed by BA Cairo two days ago.
there's been a trend for xONEx prices to be bumped in February in past years, so take that into consideration. /QUOTE]
Now that we're into February, is there any indication that these potential increases have taken place?
[In particular, for the origins mentioned in the OP: ex-JNB, ex-NRT, ex-CAI]
Now that we're into February, is there any indication that these potential increases have taken place?
[In particular, for the origins mentioned in the OP: ex-JNB, ex-NRT, ex-CAI]
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And the continued strength of the US dollar has pushed prices in USD way down; the price (in USD) of a DONE4 ex-South Africa right now is almost exactly the price I paid for a DONE4 ex-IST ten years ago.
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It's moved less in British pounds but it's still a pull. And for AA EXPs able to earn the 12k RDM per longhaul flight bonus it's a steal.

